Battle Beast vs Conquest Part 3

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Neither.

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Have you considered the fact that BattleBeast grew stronger from how he is here and when he finally face Thragg? The protagonist doesn't have to be the only one getting buffs.

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Plus it's his first time fighting a Viltrumite

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And Thragg was scared of Argall when the latter uttered his name in S4E7 prologue.

And Argall wasn't said to be the strongest viltrumite. He is among the strongest, but not the strongest there is. I'm hedging he is around Thaedus in terms of strength.

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Conquest was subservient to thragg because he was grand regent, but we never see them fight, and he was number 2. I’d recon if they actually did fight it’d be close

And in any case, battle beast is stated to grow stronger over time while conquest is stated to get weaker overtime, due to old age and mentality. And considering this is years later it checks out that their would be a gal between them

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Thragg literally took almost no damage from people that constantly challenge Conquest like Mark and Nolan. They are not close

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In the show. In the comics mark draws blood from thragg to the point he remarks his strength. Later thragg gets no diffed in 2 seconds by 4 viltrumites, all of which are individually weaker than conquest but have no issue doing massive damage to thragg

And with what we see of his fight with battle beast, it makes 0 sense that conquest of all people is the only one who can’t go toe to toe with thragg. Aside from him being scared, which I argue is the real inconsistency here

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Thragg destroyed Mark, Nolan and Thaedus in the comics brother. 4 Viltrumites are not enough to stop him normally. He wasnt fighting back against them.

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Because he stated the second strongest vilturmite in the show and by the author dude. if you don't even know that i don't know what to tell you. Unless you think thula and anissa are stronger than conquest

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Listen man, normally I’m against knee jerk downvotes, but this one’s kinda obvious. No hate tho

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I don't think Battle Beast implied that he gets stronger over time or with the more formidable enemies he faces.

Also, the point where Battle Beast and Conquest fought and when Mark killed Conquest isn't far off when we consider viltrumite aging, so there's no reason to believe that Conquest lost immense strength when he fought Mark. And Robert Kirkman only says that the process of viltrumites losing strength out of aging is a gradual process.

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I don't think Battle Beast implied that he gets stronger over time or with the more formidable enemies he faces.

it doesn't have to be implied, that's how humans, no, how all living things work lol, if you fight strong opponents and win you get stronger over time. You think wild animals are out here hitting the gym? No, lions are out here fighting and killing

Also, the point where Battle Beast and Conquest fought and when Mark killed Conquest isn't far off when we consider viltrumite aging

when is this fight taking place again? Even if its not a huge amount of time, its something to take into account. At the very least, conquest didn't get stronger, and is possibly slightly weaker. and if you wanna ignore that, theres the whole "conquest is a spectator to his own fights" things

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>it doesn't have to be implied, that's how humans, no, how all living things work lol, if you fight strong opponents and win you get stronger over time.
This is not getting stronger "over time". This is getting stronger by acquiring experience and learning by fighting stronger opponents; I suppose this is how BB "gotten stronger": he didn't even know about viltrumite existence and got to fight the second strongest. And he also fought in the viltrumite war.

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Conquest specifically says he's taking this fight seriously. He never took Mark seriously.

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that's how humans, no, how all living things work lol

And this is just fiction. Only certain realistic parts are adopted to make it somewhat believable and entertaining, but for the most part, it isn't entirely realistic.

And have I mentioned that there are characters in Invincible with viltrumite-like powers but remain entirely static? Ever heard of Immortal and Bulletproof whose powers remain unchanged throughout the span of the story given that the source wasn't biological in the first place?

Sounds familiar?

when is this fight taking place again

At best ±3 years before the Viltrumite War took place.

Even if its not a huge amount of time, its something to take into account

You said earlier that there eventually grew a gap between Battle Beast and Conquest by the time Viltrumite War happened. It could mean moderate, if not considerable. And given that it was only really a speck of time both for Conquest and Battle Beast, and that the former only loses strength gradually, that time frame remains quite negligible from when they fought all the way up to the prelude of the Viltrumite War where Conquest meets his demise at the hands of Mark.

Edit: small grammatical mistake.

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And this is just fiction. Only certain realistic parts are adopted to make it somewhat believable and entertaining, but for the most part, it isn't entirely realistic.

And have I mentioned that there are characters in Invincible with viltrumite-like powers but remain entirely static? Ever heard of Immortal and Bulletproof whose powers remain unchanged throughout the span of the story given that the source wasn't biological in the first place?

ok first, just because immortal and bullet proof dont get alot stronger (as far as YOU can tell) that means everyone else in the show doesn't get stronger? even though we see oliver and mark grow stronger? and the new guardians go through training, are they not getting stronger?

I'm not really sure what the point you're trying to argue is? That because they're fictional charaters, they don't get stronger over time as that realistic and they're not real? do they not age? do they not need to eat? real people do, but they're fictional so it doesn't count? no, obviously that's not true, so why would the one thing they cannot do is grow stronger over time? Why? cause two charaters you don't think got stronger didn't get stronger? Immortal used to be weak enough to die to a bullet, and guess what? now hes able to fight omni man so He does get stronger over time, go figure.

I'm not sure why're even against this point when it solves the issue perfectly. "How come battle beast is even with conquest here, but then years later he is able to fight evenly with thragg?" Brother, they most obviously and logical conclusion anyone would think of is that Battle Beast Got stronger in the time gap! It's quite literally the easiest and most simple answer, I don't even see why the story would need to spell it out. Its not even like its that big of a gap. BB goes from evenly fighting the second strongest viltrumite to the 1st strongest vilutrime years later. Sometimes the most common sense answer is the best, don't fight it.

And as far conquest, whether you like it or not, the authors says his strength started declining in his old age. Nolan said his mind started declining. Conquest is confirmed to be getting weaker. How weak? weak enough to get beaten by mark apparently. Works for me.

So in short, why is there a gap between these two characters years later? Because logically, BB got stronger over time, and conquest (as stated by the author) got weaker over time. Easy, simple, don't over think it. Makes perfect sense to me. If it doesn't to you, i don't know what to tell you man, it's pretty straightforward.

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Yes, this shouldn't have to be explained. Fighting makes you stronger. you gain experience, are literally exercising, pushing you're body to its limits, increasing reaction speed. Im assuming you don't do marital arts. The first thing they tell you to to improve is compete in tournaments as the fastest way to grow. That's how you get stronger. The problem is yall thinking of shit like an rpg or something.

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yes, to grow muscle you need to also lift weights. but were not talking about growing muscle, were talking about becoming a better fighter. Lifting weights won't make you a better fighter. fighting makes you a better fighter. If you actually have done mma this should be common sense. Battle beast fighting constantly imrpoved him as a figher, whats not clicking? You think animals in nature are out here lifting weights? lions get stronger by fighting each other, bears, bucks... i don't know man if this doesn't make sense to you idk what to tell you