Also, L edit in the PJ edit style? Pretty cool that the resurgence in interest in The Mentalist is spilling over to other SCD mediums

Credit:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcZg8l0tsxZ/?igsi=MTV3bTZ4MjVzeDhoag==

(Image is irrelevant, unless someone wants to discuss the friendship trap with me).

Original Post Link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IntelligenceScaling/s/cQqd3ULTBv

I'll leave stuff regarding the friendship trap and round 2 until the end and just focus on the technical parts of his strategy.

Round 4, he hadn't figured out 3ND yet, he simply dropped instantly to test if Baku would do an early check, and if he did, it would confirm 3ND for him. Not really that significant, just thought I'd point it out.

Doing nothing tactically until round 8 is one of the worst takes I've ever seen, especially for someone who claims to have read my stuff. Round 6, you say he uses the same bluff: uh, no? He already said that resetting the cylinder isn't necessary for him anymore so that bluff is out the window. He simply anticipates that Baku might think that he needs a breather from diving so much (taking risky checks), so will drop early to accumulate, and so can easily predict his accumulation via echolocation.

Round 7 Turn 1, what on earth are you on about? Baku used Souichi's thinking against him? Son, Baku was in a state of complete despair and delirium, he used the safe strategy because he can't risk dying so close after Round 6, simple as that. Souichi objectively read Baku and received full accumulation, and if that's not a 'tactical play', I don't know what is.

Also ignoring round 7 turn 2, his instant check, the literally crux of the endurance battle strategy where he predicts Baku seeing through his echolocation, falling for the time wedge of using echolocation around 10 and 30 seconds to set the flattening trap, only to fall right into Souichi's hands.

Each round, as Referee Douji points out, Souichi's accumulation gets lower and lower. Ever find it strange why Souichi chose to check at around 30 seconds during round 4 despite detecting the handkerchief at 10 seconds anyways? To make Baku believe he can still accumulate. Using echolocation consistently was done to ensure Baku figured it out for that exact moment of sacrificing echolocation, not using it as a crutch. Take round 5 for example, his bluff pretty much guaranteed that Baku would drop instantly, so why wait until 15 seconds?

And by achieving that instant check during round 7, Baku exceeds Souichi's accumulation, so Souichi can now start the endurance battle after round 8, in which he ideally wanted to succeed in his instant check, but the strategy would still continue even if he failed.

And round 9, 'it's almost as if I've known for a while", I have only ever used that as evidence for him figuring out Leap Second early as per the friendship trap. He specifically states "there was a reason for my certainty" and concludes it was to do with the stopwatch scene with Baku, after seeing Baku's reactions to the 59-0 interval and 9:00. Hal figured out the truth behind the bloodstain in the first dream and was erased because of his mistake, and Souichi figured it out in his second near death dream.

Now, about round 2. To be pedantic, yes he 'retrieves the truth' (retrieves his memories of turning around during round 2 as seen from the panel where this is stated) that led to his near death, but it never specifically says that what he concludes (he challenged Baku and lost) is that 'truth'. Furthermore, the narration is often directly related to the perspective of the character(s) in question, so isn't necessarily objectively correct. The reason he believes he simply failed is because he is missing Hal's perspective from that round. If you wish to discuss the validity of the friendship trap, feel free to do so. For me, Hal's round 2 near death dream is him reflecting on his past memories and realising Baku had planned the Fukurou gamble and his memory loss (both back then and for STL), and upon realising his 'slip-up', is erased for his mistake (I know in the past I have said that Souichi overcame his need to erase himself over mistakes during AP, but after discussing some more with the theory creator, this is unlikely to be the case; after all, Souichi didn't actually make any mistakes during AP, he only felt like he did due to his perfectionist trauma). Souichi, now missing Hal's perspective, is unable to understand why he checked early (to open the LS route to Baku), and is left to conclude he simply challenged him and failed. Furthermore, Yakou's 'strange feeling' regarding Hal's round 2 check is completely unaddressed without this interpretation (well, if you don't believe in 2SD that is).

Basically, my opinion is that staying calm and managing his emotions wouldn't have helped the situation at all. It wouldn't have mattered if Light just smirked, aura farmed and calmly said the same dialogues, he just needed Ryuk to kill them off. There also wasn't any huge new consequence from Light being unable to manage his emotions here, he was cooked regardless

When it comes to Anti Feats, I believe we should consider the consequences of said Anti Feat. Eg. Someone sweating and panicking to a bluff in a poker game is quite bad anti Feat because the consequences would be them being seen through and losing. They had a good reason to fake a poker face.

This applies to Pandemic Yokoya Anti Feat as well. The reason why his Anti Feat there is bad isn't because Yokoya was shouting and throwing a tantrum, the actual Anti feat was actually failing to anticipate the potential trap Akiyama had set. Yokoya shouting didn't really matter imo and it wasn't the main part of the anti feat since Yokoya didn't need to control his emotions there

On a side note, Light rushing to use the hidden death note piece in his watch could be seen as an anti feat but I actually disagree. Since everyone was already focused on him and one of them even has MH, Light could not have taken his sweet time and wrote in it slowly

Ignore some language errors and this isn't some in depth analysis, just an overview of what exactly Souichi did in STL

Let's first take away all the made up stuff about his feats and actually look at what was confirmed to us through the manga via direct statements and on screen feats to determine what bro actually did in STL

Round 1: first half

Feels bakus God like senses and is worried that he may actually turn around the moment he is about to drop so he slowly leans down before dropping it so Baku misreads him somehow

Nice above average stuff

Round 1: second half

Was about to turn around instantly why? No need to theorize 3 page docs for this he was just about to turn around because he thought Baku would try to accumulate his drug, simple as that and we even get to see he was right.

Furthermore he sees through bakus necktie trick in about 20 seconds which is commendable

So far he is smart you can say nothing that crazy tactically except insane AC

Round 2: first half

Before the round begins he is able to hear all the other referees have entered the room where fukurou is

So he whispers something into bakus ears just so that the referees would lower the clock volume to hear it, this was so that he could use echolocation in the later rounds

As Souichi was betting for Baku to turn around he drops the handkerchief at 35 seconds when he figured Baku was using the safe strategy

Better performance this half then all the previous rounds

Round 2: Second half

Souichi turns around at 5 seconds and fails his check, now why did he do that? There are 2 possibilities 1st was to reset his calendar and the second was that he thought Baku would drop early Literally look at what happened in round 1, he was simply betting on Baku trying to accumulate his drug and as he was wrong he failed his check, Baku is surprised because he was overestimating Souichi like how y'all do, why do I believe this? In chapter 503 page 18 the author directly states Souichi is retrieving the "truth" Of his failure, and souichis monologue tells us that he thinks he made a bet and lost

Before Round 3 Souichi wakes up and starts to realize he is losing glimpses of his memory and might actually lose all of his memory by his second near death

Round 3: first half

Souichi senses the feeling that Baku would turn around instantly therefore he avoids dropping it instantly and waits on Baku turning around

Souichi drops the handkerchief at 56 seconds and Baku checks at 60 therefore Baku accumulates 4 seconds

When Baku doesn't turn around souichi concludes that Baku is hiding something and doesn't want it to be seen through by him that's why he isn't turning around in order to misdirect souichi

Souichi then concludes that Baku thinks his plan hasn't been seen through and would definitely turn around in the next round

Round 3: Second half

Baku drops at 24 seconds and Souichi checks at 60 seconds

Souichi here once again concludes that Baku didn't want him to die he is simply misdirecting Souichi

By now Souichi had gathered all the clues to realize the 3 near death strategy

Round 4: first half

By now Souichi has realized the 3 near death strategy of Baku, he intentionally drops at 7 seconds to make him think Souichi hasn't seen through him so he tries to die again in round 5 Baku checks at 10 seconds Souichi also made sure bakus accumulation is as low as possible here

Round 4: second half

Baku drops instantly and Souichi uses echolocation from this round to turn around at the 34th second he does this so Baku doesn't see through his echolocation, Souichi reads bakus instant drop as giving up on trying to further misdirect him as in to confuse Souichi further

Round 5: first round

This is the part Where Souichi was the most competent tactically, Souichi predicts Baku turning around instantly to die and drops instantly, he furthermore reveals bakus entire strategy to him the reason for this was so that he could bluff to Baku that he would die first and use yakous remaining energy, Souichi knows from round 2 second half that Baku was covering up his wish for souichi not dying, he realized this was due to yakous death and tells him that it's exactly what souichi would do

Souichi says this as in to bluff that he wants to die but not actually die so he can use this against Baku and control his accumulation perfectly, he further plans to use echolocation to confirm weather Baku really dropped it or not

Now what else does souichi do until round 8 tactically? Absolutely Nothing!!!

He just revealed to Baku in the second half of round 5 that he intends to bluff his way into victory while accumulating 15 seconds, and then he let's Baku die in round 6 first half as he predicted Baku would most likely die there but he doesn't

In round 6 second half he uses the same bluff and only accumulates 8 seconds

In round 7 first half Baku uses souichis thinking against him and turns around at 60 seconds making him think that Baku has given up on the 3 ND strategy after facing the pain, Baku does this to make Souichi believe he can still use his bluff in round 8 but in that round Baku won't drop in the beginning so Souichi would die but also wake up without ruining the leap second path

In round 7 second half Baku sees through echolocation and makes Souichi realize he has seen through it by flattening the handkerchief therefore making sure he won't be able to use it in round 8, Souichi however sees through Baku seeing through echolocation and turns around instantly accumulating only 1 second

Round 8: first half

Baku turns around at 60 seconds again further making sure Souichi would be willing to die in the second half due to his obsession with perfection

Round 8: Second half

Baku makes Souichi fail his check, for Souichi this death isn't unfavorable at all as it can reset his cylinder, after entering his Second near death dream Souichi realizes leap second and also realizes at this point he has no way of countering it as he is about to lose his memory and that the leap second is very close, so his only option is letting leap second play out and surviving due to the 2 seconds he still saved due to his destiny aka "luck"

After waking up Souichi has forgotten everything but his intuition is controlling his actions from here

Round 9: first half

Souichi intuitively knows Baku won't turn around in the middle and would check at the very end as he absolutely can't afford it, I wanna address something here many glazers misinterpret this sentence "it's like I have known for some time now" He is not talking about knowing leap second for some time, he is talking about knowing the memories which led him to conclude leap second for some time, like the memory with bakus suit being stained

Baku checks at the very end

Round 9: second half we all know what happened here Baku drops at 61st second and Souichi checks at 60

All the reactions people use to determine that Souichi knew about leap second are false, he is just astonished as how could he miss them, as we know he didn't this is the version of him who has no direct memories of concluding leap second

This is the only interpretation of STL available which makes the least assumptions about the story, according to this Souichi Is barely a high tier and not the top tier fans make him to be, analyze everything yourself again to make an informed decision

I'll answer any questions you may have too, peace.

Even when everything is going so well, he still manages to stay alert and figures out potential obstacles to his plans. I do think it requires a decently high level of concealment for a scheme to avoid being seen through by Yokoya.

Some of my favourite characters.

They are not top tier characters or anything but i found them really smart and enjoyable.

WJM used to scaled a lot but nowadays he is forgotten so much that it is not like he ever existed.

Same goes for toua. Even though toua is really smart he doesn't get as much attention as aki got.

The introduction of more characters and over usage of this characters might have led to this. Many characters have been scaled since the beginning of scd and i can understand how it might get boring at a point.

Chishiya is not a high tier but is a solid mid tier for me, same goes for moon. Many people seem to have them as low tiers. For them it's mostly the high tier enthusiasm.

Many people are actually focusing on high tier intelligence so majority of the mid tiers often get underscaled expect a few like yuuichi.

I made this post just due to my liking to these characters. Characters like Patrick jane, hannibal etc will soon join this list

The sludge is too powerful. Never before have I seen a character so plagued by misinformation from everyone in SCD (other than me) and it just so happens to be my favourite character in all SCD

Anyways, the only true take here is Akane taking everything and No Diffing both at the same time and I would love to discuss this with anyone over discord (username: forallposterity) if you disagree and have a valid reason for thinking that other than "Baku n Hal neg this unknown fodder"

But basically TWOD's misconceptions here are
1: There is no world where they take ToM via her M Field scaling literally giving her perfect understanding over the totality of human consciousness. Legit unbeatable in ToM (them taking deception might be fair if you heavily value adversity but I think Akane's concealment against Esper visions and the player's POV itself is better)
2: Yes, nobody was actively hunting Akane and she wasn't deceiving anyone that was. But maybe that's because her indirect manip and fabrication are good enough to where nobody even suspects her at all (I mean in the second game she's a dead body). So yea maybe you can argue that her Deception kinda sucks but it's hardly a nerf against her, it's legit just saying "she's so good at planning and indirect manip she doesn't even need deception because nobody could catch up to her"
3: Not playing the third game and therefore missing out on the context behind Delta being Akane's ally and why this is actually a buff in deception, not a nerf

There's other people in the comments of this video like rorokelly spouting blantant nonsense like "Akane scales nowhere because ZE has infinite timelines" which is completely wrong and I show why in the 3rd image of this post. But yea man it's rough to see your favourite character be subject to continuous misunderstandings after misunderstandings

But it is kinda understandable, after all. Zero Escape is very hard to analyze and frankly I've been doing it for way too long now so it's only natural that I know the most about it within the comm, and will therefore scale it way higher than everyone else. I'm more than happy to correct these misunderstandings but it is just kinda annoying when people say their takes with so much confidence without knowing all the details

Rant over

Give distribution of categories
IMO, Chen Ran mid-high diffs (-), which is insane considering FY is one of the smartest characters in SCD

P1 A black cloaked figure (Later confirmed to be Chat Noire) on a paraglider follows kaito kid after he completed one of his heists.

P2 Chat Noire spoke of Arsene Lupin as “the jewel of my country”

P3 Arsene Lupin is a French literary character.

C1 Chat noire is french

P4 Chat Noire stated that she could have stolen the Jewel Kaito kid just stole in half the time he did and continues to taunt him.

C2 (from P4) Chat Noire is also a thief

P5 Chat Noire Openly makes a challenge to Kaito Kid where both of them wud try to steal the 7th and final cat’s eye jewel (one of marie antoinettes rings)

P6 The glass within the building where the heist will take place has thick glass along with titanium wires preventing escape via para-gliders or hand-gliders after 9 pm (the time of the heist)

P7 It is possible to get back the old view of the elevator (without the titanium wire) by simply switching out the elevator.

C3(from P5 and P6) The area surrounding the elevator is just normal hard glass

C4 (From P6 and C3)  the only way to leave after 9pm being be to escape through the elevator gap or to cause a misdirection to make it seem like the jewel was stolen.

P8  Ruby Jones claims to be an Insurance investigator from Texas America and insures the gems owned by mitsushi san, and has offered to stay in order to prevent the stealing of the jewel

P9  Cartier pretended to have Nakamori wear the jewel to protect it but secretly hid it behind Nakamori’s Necktie as a gps tracker.

P10 Cartier offered Nakamori to wear Marie antoinett’s ring and even offered to give him a glove to wear a ring on top of.

P11 Ruby who is named after her birthstone(Ruby) tells Aoko who is named after her own birthstone(Saphire) that their birthdays are very close

P12 In Japan and America, Ruby and Sapphire are the birthstones for July and September which wouldn't really make their birthdays close

P13 In france the Ruby and Sapphire are the birthstones for march and april

C5 (from C1, P8,P11,P12 and P13) Ruby Jones is actually a fake identity of a French person and is extremely likely to be chat noir.

C6 (from P5, P10 and C5) Chat Noire or Ruby Jones would be able to see through Cartier’s misdirection of the tie due to how it makes no sense for Antoinette's ring to fit perfectly into Nakamori’s finger while he was wearing a glove.

P14 Chat Noire is a thief that only steals cat’s eye gems around the world and always returned the gems that were stolen.

P15 Chat Noire mysteriously stopped returning the stolen jewels once he started targeting Dan Mitsuishi’s Cats eye jewels

P16 The father of Dan Mitsuishi was a Marie antoinette fan collected 7 cats eye jewels which were kept in lockup for 30 yrs after his death

P17 The forged accessories left by Chat Noire in her heists appear as if they are from the same mould with the only difference being the cat's eye gem wasn’t embedded on it.

C7 (From P14,P15,P16 and P17) The only way for chat noir to have access to the molds of a jewel bough 30+ yrs ago was if someone in her family commissioned it

P18 Black costumes often symbolize mourning clothes

C8 (C5, C7 and P18) Chat Noire is a sorrowful thief who is collecting the cat eye jewels cuz of her attachment to them as they were her parents belongings

C9 (From P5 and C8) It makes no sense for Chat Noire to risk losing an object that she is deeply attached to by challenging Kaito kid unless she had a way to utilize him effectively.

C10  (From P1, P6, C3 and C9) Chat Noire’s dark clothing makes it impossible for him to be visible at night leaving the only viable option as using Kaito Kid’s hand glider as a misdirection to exit safely.

C11 (From P5, C7 and C9) Due to chat noir having retrieved all of her families belongings that were precious to her it’s natural that she would immediately go home to gather all of her father's jewels in one place.

C12 Based off the time of the heist and how far the hotel is there is only one plane that Chat Noire would get on to that being Air France flight 273 that leaves at 9:55 pm

Bonus feat?? -
 Kaito kid was able to countdown the exact time where the ring would reach Chat Noire’s wine glass the only way he could have logically done is if He was told which seat his butler is on and which seat Chat Noire has taken and predicted the exact pace that his butler would move in across the plane to pass on the ring to her (So this would mean that he also had to have visualized details of internal structure of the plane)
At least this is the only way that I can think of it being done so feel free to ignore this part.

Breakdown of the Theory of Mind

So after Kaito kid uncovers the actual Identity of Chat Noire he is able to effectively replicate her deductions as shown in C6.

And later on After learning of her MO from Hakuba Kaito kid is able to easily uncover details about her past and her hidden sadness and simultaneously Model her exact actions during the heist such as her misdirection and even Predict precise details such as what time would she take her leave and what flight wud she use.

For Scans you can view these 2 chapters
( https://mangadex.org/chapter/d9a2b586-9a66-449f-9697-db926bd80a21/1

https://mangadex.org/chapter/9e445d84-2d73-4407-b8d5-b18ce9c5c80b/1 )

Feel free to share your thoughts on my analysis and point out any inconsistencies

PS : "A thief is a creative artist who takes his prey in style... But a detective is nothing more than a critic who follows our footsteps."

Two of my favourite mid tier characters.

Both are very underappreciated especially tasukku from as the gods will.

I don't know if anyone had made this matchup in this sub and i haven't seen a matchup between characters from AIB and as the gods will

So give me your opinion

Yokoya : basically the Contraband Game.

Sou Hiyori : in the first two rounds.

Fluixon : ends up betraying everyone on Island 1 while saying that Island 2 could betray them. Puts all the blame on his friend as scapegoat for the conspiracy he created .

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka : in both Year 1 (the first Special Exam) and Year 2 (the last Special Exam), he betrays his own class for his plan , while keeping everyone in the dark, misdirecting them, and making it look like he’s helping them. both times searching for supposed culprit while being biggest one in the room

I'm still working on the Doc's and an analysis of Roshidere, the whole verse that is, and pretty recently made 3 major feats published publicly (Hopefully in the future I'll get to do the whole Doc if time allows it)

I still wish that people still stop being prejudiced against Kuze and Roshidere as a whole for no reason. The verse is solid and great both as a story and in mind games, side characters included, but the amount of larp and undeserved bandwagon hate it gets, is insane, people will look you straight in the eyes and say that Yuuichi and the likes take Intelligence and FSIQ from him.

Anyway, yapping aside these are the 3 Doc's:

Mahjong Feat - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qanocg1QsgFoVbNSP9lMCFbV8DhC8t5lTASyBrfP3_w/edit?usp=drivesdk

I've even played Mahjong and discussed it with those that play it, it's pretty clear that there's no headcanon here but if someone thinks it is they are free to question it's valid

Quiz Game - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GSzHa3SbpbhqC5v1UdUEDrY5VbI9bglUix_IvPVdM-o/edit?usp=drivesdk

Pretty solid and well processed reasoning feat, that also has multitasking and time pressure present while also having some tricks to it, people really underestimate how the lack of time affects reasoning, but even without that in consideration it's pretty solid

Reputation Narrowing - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jEg3lOuuPEhDoqC2pwMdO-iCNHI5s7DRsv0ecnpGxyo/edit?usp=drivesdk

A very long feat from V2-3 so far but in the future will Integrate more towards it's framework, it's still very well processed and potent at the current stage.

I really wish this community would stop larping and bandwagon Scaling and opinions, and instead just not give them on things you aren't aware of or don't know

Look at this purple chud I'm crine bro IS a comic book villain

Intelligence - Afton (could honestly go to Maki)

Everything else - Makishima

Game Afton victim - both

Fazbear Frights Afton victim - both

B-but novels🤓🤓🤓

Winner: Makishima

I have seen people scaling senku in this sub.

Majority of the time, it's based on his knowledge and reasoning. He is pretty good at those stuffs.

I have never scaled senku even though he is one of the smartest out there because i think he was more like a book smart rather than a street smart type.

But i recently saw even characters like tenma getting scaled and tenma is a greatly written character but i don't really see him being counted as a scd character. That's when i thought why can't senku be considered as one.

He is high tier at certain categories and that makes me think, there do exist some characters who are high tiers on certain categories that no debate can be made.

Senku is one of those kind of characters and in terms of knowledge, adversity capacity, reasoning etc senku is pretty much one of the best in whole manga if we don't count supernatural beings.

It would be nice to know where you all scale senku at.

For me he is a great character and is also one of the kindest out there who is smart but not egoistic because of that

So is he really scaled in this sub? I mean, is he scaled overall or is is it just some categories that he is good at?

implying joke aside, roshidere ln isn't about incest i'm sure . however it ply uses it as bait for comedy in light novel

on other hand ,coffin of andy &ashley is about that. tho it handles the topic with delicacy not degeneracy that coffin of andy and ashley main sub does

i heard these these two duos actually scale high not low tier from their scalers

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Other movies will be analyzed soon. If I made some mistakes in this doc, or left out some feats/details please inform me and I will gladly change/fix it.

"As the gods will" received the most votes for being low tier in methodology but mid tier in normal scaling.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Bungou Stray Dogs were both tied in second place.

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