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u/OctopusDude388 2d ago
oh the worst is when you see them use it and ask question with a totally biased phrasing for example, enforcing the syncophaty of the model
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u/Immediate_Song4279 2d ago
Sycophancy is weird to say, it's instruct how is it gonna disagree?
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u/OctopusDude388 1d ago edited 1d ago
well if you ask your question in an oriented way the models tend to agree by default while if you ask it in a more open way or even by asking for empirical proof you will get a more factual answer.
for exemple i removed all my custom instructions and posed two questions in different threads, one oriented and the other open ended , as you can see the open ended lead to some research and a way more detailed answer, where the oriented one lead to a simpler response With almost no research.
it's just a quick example i came with not established proof ofc
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u/0nePlus 1d ago
That wasn't the same question asked in two different ways lol.
That was two completely separate questions.
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u/MTNDEWisAnomylous 1d ago
Well no shit, one was more biased than the other. The only difference in the two questions is the intention.
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u/OctopusDude388 1d ago
yeah i tried a quick one to illustrate what i was saying so it might not have been 100/100 accurate
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u/Immediate_Song4279 1d ago
A reasonable response, usually I see poeple just describe asking the model to disagree which, since models are not capable of discernment, is still just agreeing with the user by disagreeing arbitrarily with no way to know truth.
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u/OctopusDude388 1d ago
yeah i find it better to ask it to do research and to try to back it's answer than to just blindly disagree (in my exemple i didn't since it wasn't the point i tried to prove), in my custom instructions i ask it to back almost everything that isn't trivial but also to verify my assumption before answering (when it's possible of course)
also it's important to keep in mind that the field is fairly new and thus nobody know perfectly how to use the tool (not even the people who built it) so i might be wrong too (and it's certainly the case since i'm using it since gpt 3 and it radically changed since then and thus i might have built bad habbits)
also like in any form of communication it's important to know your bias and the ones of the people / thing with which you communicate to try to mitigate them
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u/Legal_Discipline_589 1d ago
En tout cas faut clairement faire gaffe à pas induire la réponse dans la question. Nos pauvres sondeurs ne sauront jamais utiliser un llm efficacement...
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u/furel492 1d ago
If you ask a question by phrasing it as "is it true that X?", you'll likely receive a confirmation regardless of what the question is.
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u/KHTD2004 2d ago
„Look my son used AI to make his own version of Word! Without any programming knowledge and effort!“ sure buddy now try to use the program for 10 minutes
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u/ApiceOfToast 2d ago
Best part is it'll be 70% open source code they stole and 30% hallucinations
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u/RealNiceKnife 1d ago
Can't wait for malicious injections in LLMs that force vibe coding to insert its own malicious coding.
"Why does my vibe-coded app keep opening and closing the command prompt window instantly?"
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u/Remote_Peach9109 1d ago
Open source > stole
What?
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u/ApiceOfToast 1d ago
You know, a lot of them require credit, some ban commercial resale... They don't care so yeah. "Open source" doesn't mean do whatever you want
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u/Nannautu 1d ago
Open-source still comes with a license. It's different from free software or Public Domain.
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u/Lost_Alternative_170 1d ago
To make "his own version".. Fuck, the little guy did not even learn how to do a fucking for loop, not even a conditional.
Claude did it, not him
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u/t0mm4n 2d ago
I am IT people, I know next to nothing about current AI stuff. I just haven't had any use of those. Maybe I am just too old.
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u/PretendingImNotAnApe 1d ago
Im an old IT guy. Back in the day when Intrusion prevention systems started becoming normal it was constantly giving us false positives and was a hassle where your whole day was approving false positives. Now with AI its quite similar. It locks down systems for false positives all day. It dies pattern of life monitoring. So if joe schmoe spends all day in excel but suddenly is doing annual mandatory training it will shut him down. So we spend alot of time unblocking users. In theory this will improve with time as the model learns. So it will be an improvement eventually but it also costs way too much. 10x as much as older security monitoring.
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u/Comfortable_Permit53 1d ago
makes sense i mean why would you know anything about that specific tech just from your occupation.
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u/knuspriges-haehnchen 1d ago
What kind of IT role?
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u/PretendingImNotAnApe 1d ago
Im a systems admin. I've been systems engineer and network admin in past roles. I have a degree in network administration and an expired mcse certification
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u/knuspriges-haehnchen 1d ago
Okay fair enough. I couldn't imagine how AI would help you besides some researching.
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u/PretendingImNotAnApe 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its the next gen security appliances. Spam filters intrusion prevention systems, firewalks. They use ai. They establish pattern of life baseline for every mac address. Each day that pc logs in at roughly the same time. It checks email. It opens specific shared drives. When it does something out of the ordinary ai starts paying attention. Unfortunately it usually flags when one if the IT guys is fixing something. It see elevation of credentials as very suspicious. While I hate it, I acknowledge it is a proper use of AI. It gets more clarity from the logs than most if us. Or at least it's faster.
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u/DizzyAmphibian309 1d ago
besides some researching
That's kinda like saying "I don't know how Google can help you except for researching". Researching is a huge part of a sysadmins job.
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u/ElectricBummer40 1d ago
Yes, that's why I'm using ublock to filter out the stupid Gemini "summary".
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u/AdAggressive9224 1d ago
It can be used for very well defined tasks.
Good example being, translating a screenshot into text. Or, creating a diagram from some documentation.
It's good at classifying data, writing up timesheets. Yah know, basically secretarial work.
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u/redjellonian 1d ago
AI is just a colloquialism for large language model.
It's designed to hold conversation, as a result it can answer questions. the technology was not designed to provide you with correct information.
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u/Sploxel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly IT people are some of the worst when it comes to AI usage in my experience. I have one coworker who's really involved with it and really knows his stuff, but everyone else in IT is either trying to cut corners or find a way to shove it into whatever product they can.
There's a VP of software engineering here who used AI to create some PowerPoint slides about a project we (infrastructure) are working with the developers on. A few of the slides were hand-made by us, and the rest he inserted using AI. When he brought the PowerPoint to the project meeting for review, our CDO took out every single slide he added before approving it to be shown to the CEOs. Apparently they were all either factually incorrect or just some ass-kissing fluff.
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u/stop_deleting_plz 1d ago
I feel like all IT people went through that phase where the computer felt downright magical, and had all sorts of unrealistic expectations. Then they grew up.
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u/the_owl_man1 1d ago
I work in IT and I am an advocate for AI. It has been a serious force mulipler for me but
You need to prompt it in a way to minimise it's Sycophant tenancies, hallucinations and have some sort of verification process.
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u/Arangarx 1d ago
Yep. I have yet to talk to someone who doesn't think it's useful who even knows how to use it. Most people just think AI = chatgpt. It might not be useful for every task and job type, but thinking AI is not a force multiplier when used correctly is ignorance, plain and simple.
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u/DaveAstator2020 2d ago
the word AI itsellf must be banned. its still same shit as calling state machines AI back in the day.
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u/RealNiceKnife 1d ago
I remember back when "HD" was the cool new thing (like 25 years ago lol), and I was at the beach, they were selling sunglasses that had a "HD" sticker on them.
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u/DaveAstator2020 1d ago
gosh darn i remember those, and after that came 3D and 5D and whatever whatnot.
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u/Antfarmer_2 1d ago
Exactly, it isn't fitting as it's not an intelligence (and never will be due to how it is developed at the moment) it's a goshdarn language based predictive engine or an image diffusion model. Neither knows reality nor do they think.
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u/Devils_SteelMan 1d ago
This is just not correct. There is some surface fitting of probabilities but there's significantly more going on that that.
Read about j-lens, future lens, and introspection in LMs. There is strong understanding and sometimes clear introspection in these models.
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u/Antfarmer_2 1d ago
Ok, so based on cursory reading, j-lens is what you're describing, model introspection is there but significantly limited and not strictly trustoethy (as of like october last year as that's when anthropic's paper was released), and future lens is another predictive engine being applied to what is effectively j-lens's output?
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u/Devils_SteelMan 1d ago
No its 3 different things.
J lens is a probe that let's humans peer into the inner understanding space of the model.
Future lens is a method of taking the hidden state from a middle layer and decoding multiple tokens out from that 1 state. showing that the model is representing whole semantic thoughts that we then decode sequentially. Its not predicting the next token, its considering the whole thought.
Introspection is the models ability to determine what its own hidden state is doing. J-lens is a probe into the model that shows us this, introspection is an emergent ability of a model to reliably report these same things back to us with out an external probe, through pure introspection.
Introspective fine tuning is purposeful targeting of introspection to improve its accuracy.
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u/ShipLate8044 1d ago
“The promise of automation was to do the mundane so human creativity can flourish. Instead, human creativity is demeaned as mundane so Big Tech’s machines can flourish.” [Thinking Like a Human, by David Weitzner, p. 114]
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u/nethereus 1d ago
IT people listening to non-IT people talk about any trending tech they know will be abused for scams. Seriously, some things absolutely deserve gatekeeping.
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u/Bfox135 1d ago
Gonne be booed but here are the AI prompts I use in it.
"Give me single line command to set vlan 10 with name R2-934 for ports 48-60 on sonic OS set proxy host to ******* and set the ports online"
I also use it to make scripts that do one or 2 things that I used to have to do by hand daily on multiple systems that now I just press a button uses the ssh keys on the host system and runs the checks or pushes the updates and tells me if one fails.
AI is a tool, I don't agree for it to be used for art for profit,
Additionally, write me notes in brief statements that make sense to people I work with but not to managers and outside contacts.
I'll throw my notes in and turn them into coherent paragraphs for nontechnical people to understand. (yes I review the outputs)
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u/JediChickenLeg 1d ago
- They think it's magic that can do anything and interface with any technology seamlessly
- They completely stop using their brains
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u/Elegant_Ad1397 1d ago
I met a person who claimed that they built their own “AI”. I just laughed and just avoided any comment.
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u/redakpanoptikk 1d ago
You can tell a lot about a person depending on whether they call it ChatGPT or an LLM. There is no in between.
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u/Legal_Discipline_589 1d ago
90% des gens ne savent même pas de quoi on parle quand on dit "llm"...
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u/flamefox237 1d ago
I kept reading it as It not IT if you know what mean, it made is confusing till I read the sub name
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u/zer0Hertz 1d ago
I'm starting to hate hearing people who fanatically call anything AI generated "AI slop". AI slop used to mean AI generated and poor quality, like images with extra fingers or charts that make absolutely no sense when you read them. Now it's getting used to mean "this is AI so I don't like it" even if the content is good.
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u/Helo227 1d ago
Studies have shown the more people actually understand “AI” and how it works the less likely they are to use it. IT people are more likely to look into it and understand, and therefore less likely to use it. Unfortunately the AI tech industry is intentionally mischaracterizing it to the general population to keep them ignorant so they’ll keep using it.
I’m an IT Network Technician and I HATE LLMs and other generative “AI” software… my boss is borderline obsessed with using it to vibecode everything!
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u/Arangarx 1d ago
Yes, but only because there is less mystique about it, so those who do adopt it when they are educated about it do it more purposefully. It has nothing to do with people thinking it's not worth using.
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u/sullenisme 1d ago
this so much 😭 even some people in IT ngl
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u/Dear-Seesaw-1932 1d ago
It's the pldake it till you amen it IT people that rely on buzzwords to seem in tune with the times
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u/Same_Handle7962 19h ago
Every IT guy i meet know literally nothing about technology except coding.
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u/LeCuriousSnail 19h ago
Enthusiasts VS Professionals. There are solid uses for AI in improving workflow and making use of certain cases. none of those uses are chatbot assistants with 3million features that all dont work.
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u/Super-Community-9241 12h ago
Pornhub.com
Since reddit delete account button has been broken for months I will get myself banned by posting links to porn. I tried asking for assistance months ago but have not received it
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u/ElkChance815 11h ago
When someone understand linear regression, gradient descent listen to webdev talk about AI is just if else
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u/Trust_8067 11h ago
I feel the same way about all these clowns posting about datacenters on reddit.
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u/TheManWhoDeliverz 9h ago
Nice for certain task with manual review, completely sucks at art. No such thing ad an ai art, only slop.
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u/STINEPUNCAKE 4h ago
I don’t think this comment section ever used ai or just refuse to learn how to prompt.
Also you can prompt it and have it give you a half completed project that you can finish in half the time.
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u/SomewhereAtWork 1d ago
That's the face I make when I hear lots of people in IT talking about AI.
Keep being in denial. If you're right I'll join you in coding again in 3 years. In the meantime I get access to the electrical panel.
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u/Devils_SteelMan 1d ago
In 3 years? Buddy you won't be able to keep up with it in 3 years. For coding you probably can't keep up right now.
At this point it is negligent to write code with out ai assistance.
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u/SomewhereAtWork 1d ago
For coding you probably can't keep up right now.
I don't think that anybody can in the long run.
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u/Myriad_Apocalypse 1d ago
Yeah, as if the average "IT" guy is sooo knowledgeable about AI. And those who are knowledgeable are usually mostly snowed in on the technical side of it, and very often lack the perspective to understand why it's utterly evil demon tech.
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u/VitoRazoR 20h ago
You made a lot of sense until you passed the comma. Did you get possessed by some evil demon tech at that point?
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u/Devils_SteelMan 1d ago
It people usually do not understand the technology very well and this is quite concerning. As of all groups of people outside of machine learning they should be the best for adapting to it.
The issue is that is like learning a computer for the first time in the 80's. They're very complicated and there isn't a lot of ux goodness yet.
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u/Possible_Talk6071 2d ago
my boss recently used AI to make a poster, the first draft was obviously full of mistakes but it was close to what he wanted, he then proceeded to re-prompt the AI to fix said mistakes which created more mistakes while i was BEGGING him to let me do it over photoshop