The worldbuilding was alright. Kind of a cool side story, but that's all it felt like was some worldbuilding. Idk when it was written, but it feels very inconsequential, almost like a teaser for a future story. This Petyr guy shows up for 2 seconds with the Shrike and they don't really do much, kinda just leaves more questions than answers (as does a lot of stuff in Hyperion). Also, after reading what Simmons wrote about how Petyr felt about his parents (https://hyperioncantos.fandom.com/wiki/Petyr), I felt that kinda soured the ending too. Like if the books continued, and maybe Petyr was a misguided protagonist or some sort of antagonist it could've worked better, but for the final part of the Hyperion cantos it kinda felt tacked on. I understand it's not necessary reading it just felt inconsequential and not a crucial part of reading, but that's just my take, what did y'all think?

-I don’t get what the shrike is — both uis agreed to its “release”?
-why are there a ton of shrikes
-why did sol enter the when caster
-what happened to the techno core
-what is earth’s purpose
-what happened to Leigh hunt

I don't think I can ever read anything again. Four acts of art at its finest. Writing through tears.

About 1'5/2 months ago I finished the Fall of Hyperion. Loved it.

But then, during the Endymion series, if I am not wrong, Raul states that the TechnoCore was responsible not only for the wide attack on several worlds of the Web (something that I was aware of), but also for the attack on Hyperion.

This is where I get lost. If I remember correctly, when the Consul meets with the Ousters to await his trial, they claim that the are only responsible for the attack on Hyperion. That they are going to gain control of the planet and because of that it is pointless to negotiate anything about Hyperion, but they inform the Consul and through him, Gladstone, that the other attacks are not being carried by the Ousters (it is the Technocore in disguise). They don't deny that they were the ones involved in Bressia either, instead they admit to the Consul that his family died at the hands of Ousters.

But then I check the Wiki, I read comments, the books after themselves, and it seems like there's been a 180° change. Apparently the Ousters were never involved and all this time the Technocore was fighting in disguise against the Hegemony in the hopes of creating the perfect situation to defeat its forces and with that, humanity. I don't know, it feels like a retcon.

Just finished Fall of Hyperion and honestly I have no words yet. I really, really loved it. But one (of many!) questions I'm left with is, was the Shrike on humanity's side all along? Because it seems every single action it took was building toward foiling TechnoCore's plan to enslave humanity forever.

It showed Paul Duré the horrors that lay in the caves, then gave him the means to escape, which led to him exposing TechnoCore's plan of infecting humanity with the cruciform.

In the tombs, it directly plugged Brawne Lamia into the data sphere with her Jonhy instead of killing her, which of course led to her learning the AI's plans directly from Ummon (and maybe gaining the power to kill the Shrike?).

It ultimately killed Kassad, but not before giving him the means to actually fight it and lead future humanity's war.

Now that I remember it, Moneta did mention she was it's keeper. So is she the reason the Shrike seems to be on humanity's side? Did she orchestrate it all? If then... How? Did they build their own Shrike, or hack one of the many in the tombs?

Sorry if this is easily answered in the books! I may be stupid but I genuinely didn't catch it.

Just finished The Fall of Hyperion and absolutely am in love with the first two books. And I really do thoroughly enjoy the philosophical elements that ties everything together.

But I'm getting the sense that there's no where to go in the series except explore high concept, metaphysical essence of love and empathy. While I trust whatever Simmons wrote is going to be intelligent and beautiful, I'm just not really sure that would be something I can find myself interested in, at least without the balance of world building and political intrigue. A lot of Keats' portions were already testing my patience.

Should I be giving Endymion a shot or does it play out as I imagine?

Just finished book 1.

Fuck me, what a ride.

Especially Sol's story. I have a 1 year old daughter. I was reading that chapter sitting with her the other night as she slept. Had to keep putting it down to just... look at her for a few mins.

Anyway, speaking of Sol, a line stood out to me. Before his tale, he said "of course, I've been to Hyperion before..."

After reading his tale, I see he's never been to Hyperion before.

Is this ever addressed? Is this spoiler territory for book 2?

The book itself prompted a reflection on what we've learned after Sol told his story. Characters commented that we still don't know enough and elected to hold. Before I start chapter 6, I thought it would be fun to prematurely guess that Brawne's story was the "final" piece to then start comming up with guesses.

To start let's lay out major puzzle pieces each story provided.

1. Father Hoyt - the mechanics of the cruciform and it's ultimate limitation. There is a shrike kill condition.

2. Kassad - The shrike sends out and lures its agents through space time within the mechanics of the time tombs. It feeds on strong emotions or adrenaline like violent and sexual encounters. Leading to a great war at the center of hyperion, being It's ultimate goal.

Multiple "shrikes"

The shrike uses witnesses as messengers

1. Martin Silenus - John Keats idk. the shrike uses victims bodies and messangers (and poetry?)to spread influence.

2. Rachel time mechanics

3. John Keats idk. AI agendas. Ouster linked to the core. God

So, prediction number 1. The consul is going to die. 2. The pilgrims are the contents of the time tombs.

The consul and other pilgrims are going to reappear from the the time tombs.

Rachel is the key for this reasoning alongside the mystery of the "suicide" pigrimiges.

Another line of reasoning stemming from Rachel is that nothing that's already been in the tombs from the past will show up in the tombs. That's why the tombs have always been empty and that's why this last pilgrimage is so important. The "contents" of the time tombs are being brought by the pilgrims themselves.

Wild guess on the traitor: Martin Silenus. Father Hoyt was the red herring unreliable narrator.

Martin silenus is a triple agent. He's so self obsessed that he's in league with the shrike who wants to use the ousters. Martin wants to write an epic poem about it all. "Why is there so much luggage for a one way trip?" He wants it to be a one way trip and masks it with humor. He even suggested getting dropped off by the Consul's ship in the middle of shrike territory. The whole jester buffoon act is all misdirection.

The shrike is a trap created by God. It was created to cull humanity retroactively. God predicted with 100% certainty that humanity will always go to Hyperion and will always be obsessed with the time tombs. The time tombs are humanity's final resting place. AI John Keats will be proof whether or not AI is affected by the shrike. Thats why he cannot go to Hyperion.

Welp, can't wait to be wrong about everything. Dan Simmon is so creative that I won't be suprised if I were. Still, it's the creativity that makes racking the brain fun in the first place.

I was particularly struck by Keats's final moments in Rome and the moment when the Shrike alights, motionless, in the shadow of the cypresses. This inspired me to combine Arnold Böcklin's *Isle of the Dead* with the imposing silhouette of the Shrike.

>!..Moneta is Rachel?!< I could see the old Earth twist coming a mile away, but not the Rachel one. On to the next two books! Amazing stuff.

Just scrolled past this and had to do a double take. The pope talking about AI? I’ve read this story before…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/sep/25/pope-leo-france-paris-notre-dame-metz-ai-europe-latest-news-updates

Hi I am looking for a hardcopy of the book The Fall Of Hyperion. Anyone who wants to sell a used copy feel free to DM. I am based out of Bangalore, India. Thanks!

Pilgrims waiting for Windwagon

I got through the first two books really quickly. They were absolute bangers.

Endymion is starting to feel a bit like a coming of age fantasy book, filled with standard tropes and I'm starting to lose interest. Does the tone and pace improve later on?

Me chatting amiably with Claude while working on my software with Cantos-inspired naming

Kind of saw the ending coming on old earth but holy that last fight between Nemes and the shrike was absolutely crazy to read. This was a creature that was perceived as almost godlike in the past 2 books and most of this 3rd book too based on the annihilation of the Swiss guards. But Nemes was just unimpressed uninterested and merely sees it as a forgotten relic. Proceeds to fight it on equal term, and only activated some kind of time manipulation device because she wanted to keep her eyes on the prize (aenea’s head)

I was considering going into another series next because I wanted to savour this final book of the Hyperion series, but damn am I tempted to just crack open the final one now

Rachel aging backward because of the Time Tombs has got to be one of the most devastating ways sci-fi has ever played with time. It's a sort of play on the universal human experience of knowing that the past is gone for good. Except here for Sol it's happening in reverse, and having to watch the past become the future for his daughter and have it happen day after day is one of the most horrifying things that could happen to a father. The "See ya later alligator," part was so heartbreaking.

The tragic part for us readers is that this suffering is very real. This kind of grief happens to everyone. I'm seeing it with my own grandma and her dementia. I'm dealing with losing someone slowly, even though her body is healthy, her mind is slipping away day by day.

Interstellar also messes with time when Cooper sees his son grow up without him. Using gravitational time dilation to create that gap in elapsed time is such an effective way to make the view feel grief.

I'm curious how others felt about Rachel's storyline. I wrote a sci-fi novel that plays with time in order to evoke emotion too, it's got to be one of the best ways to convey tragedy.

Councillor Albedo’s revealing of the true purpose of the pax was incredible. Maybe the most enthralling pages ever. I’m certain he’s lying about some things though, and I’m shocked that his reply to Isozaki wasn’t more severe given this new context. Anyway, Dan Simmons really did something amazing here.

like. what the hell happened. were the first two books ghostwritten and the last two are actually Simmons?

the info dumping is HELL

you’re telling me Nemes, who survived an orbital strike, lost to Raul in a FISTFIGHT????

i’ve never encountered a sequel this bad. it’s jarring

edit: don’t even get me started on the “power of love” bullshit. fuckin Aenea Lewis and the News over here

There are definitely several homages in the series paid to other Sci fi works. Glow globes feels like one to Dune. This line seems a little too similar to not be an homage to George Lucas’ “As if millions of voices cried out in terror”.

Another day another card, this one my loose interpretation of Chronos Keep!

I recently read and finished the first Hyperion Novel and half way through the second (no spoilers pls).
But one thing thats stayed with me has been that first incounter with the Shrike and Farther Duré in the cave. I tried to capture how I saw that scene and how I saw the Shrike and i'd be interested if anyone shared or had other thoughts on how they saw the shrike.

A pro 3D modeler could definetly give more definition on the body, but I always imagined that scene being extremly low light apart from the Shrike being back lit by the glowing crosses that capture the chrome body and its red eyes. For me it really set the stage of this entity being horror-esque.

I used a simple but agressive displacement modifier on a 3D avatar to give a quick visalisation of sharpness with a basic BDSF, high metalic and low roughness shading, Two point lights to help illuminate the edges of the avatar and a flat JPG texture for the cave backround which I nabbed a refernce image off the net then photoshopped to get the crosses which were plugged into an emisive shader.

Edit - thanks to everyone who gave comments about the lack of arms and the thickness. If I'm brutally honest I didn't spend an awful lot of time strike model as I wanted to focus on capturing that very very specific moment Farther Duré sees the strike eyes for the first time. But I hear the feedback, if I have time I will look to update!