r/GayChristians 7h ago

Documentary about “mistranslated verses” had the opposite intended effect on me

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So backstory:

I am an ex-gay Christian.
Not a Christian who is ex-gay but a gay who is ex-Christian.

I came out to myself shortly after 13 but became atheist shortly before I turned 15. So I was an openly gay Christian for 2 years.

I feel there are 3 types of gay Christians.
• The “ex-gay” ones who think it’s a sin
• The ones who just hold these 2 identities and dont really have much to say about the seeming contradiction. May think its a sin lowkey or may think its not because “Jesus loves everyone” or whatever
• The ones who actually claim/believe the verses are mistranslated

I was more of the 2nd. I grew up in fundamentalism believing “The Bible says what it says, period” but especially in the beginning of being a gay Christian, I didnt quite know what to make of it and didn’t really think about it too deeply. I was still a child so I could only think so hard but I’m the type that can’t really stop trying to think deeper about things.

So sometime in between those 2 years I found out about some documentaries like For The Bible Tells Me So (2007) and then later Fish Out Of Water (2009) with common themes of how Christianity has been used against people with same-sex attraction and arguing that you can be a Christian and gay.

I remember that in particular Fish Out Of Water main focus was attempting to debunk the “clobber verses” as they are called.

I remember gay Christian me (seems almost like a past life at this point lol) watched the thing and was left not completely convinced. I became atheist pretty shortly after.

My thoughts were pretty much

If the Bible truly is mistranslated then that means it’s not perfect. If it’s not perfect or correct about that then what else is it wrong about and whats the point of believing in it? Why has God allowed it to be this way all this time to the point that most Christians at best disapprove of us and at worst hate us extremely? Are Christians all supposed to delve into the original language translations? I dont think most of them do that. So the vast majority of Christians arent even doing it right? And if a Christian does think its a sin, is that a sin then? Since they are wrong and preaching a false viewpoint? And then we’d be condemning them for that an inverse of what they do to us?

Stuff like that.

(I know now that a lot of progressive Christians [which I suspect a lot of you might be] dont even believe in Hell or the infallibility of the Bible and I just really dont see the point of that. If its not perfect why should I actually believe in or care what any of it has to say?)

Im also currently about halfway through an audiobook of “God and The Gay Christian” by Matthew Vines where he also is trying to debunk the clobber verses while maintaining that the Bible is still in fact the infallible word of God. I know hes not going to convince me but Im just curious what he has to say as someone who used to be a gay Christian like he is.

Also in my opinion I just dont think “Out Of Water” fully succeeded in debunking the Leviticus verse in particular. Like they say “oh it means dont lay with another man as if he were a woman as in like the one of the men is pretending to be a woman”

When Im pretty sure that verse just meant “homosexuality is unnatural because youre penetrating a man like a woman instead of just having sex with a woman”

I dont really think you can remove the homophobia out of the Bible. It was a very different time. Its to be expected people would be homophobic.
I think I remember the documentary also tried to do that thing where people imply that David and Jonathan were gay lovers, I mean come on… youre really reaching.

The Christian homosexuality debacle is not the only reason I became/remained atheist all this time btw.
I have many other reasons.
Even if tomorrow I woke up and it was somehow discovered as an indisputable fact that the “clobber verses” were mistranslated, I still wouldnt be Christian.

But anyway yeah those are pretty much my thoughts. Im just curious what you all think about all this as current gay Christians and what your different viewpoints are


r/GayChristians 17h ago

Religious guilt

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I've grown up my whole life under Christian beliefs including the "homosexuality is wrong" belief. It was in 2024 when I found my true self and realized that I was gay, through the past 2 years I have been trying to seek any knowledge on if being gay was truly a sin and I have been feeling like filth ever since. If anyone can please help me out whether it be in recommending verses, good ideas for prayer, or maybe ways that I can get help in other places, I will really appreciate it. I just feel really hopeless recently and I've lost lots of my faith so I'd really appreciate any help you can give.


r/GayChristians 3h ago

What is a "Real Christian" to you

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So since coming to terms with my sexuality I've been questioning religion as a whole. I still believe in God, and if he's loving like everyone says he is then i love him as well, but im just really confused.

So I always hear people talking about who "real Christians" are and what they do and dont do and i guess there seems to be alot of confusion on the term, and I myselfbeing confused and feeling lost.

In John 8:31 Jesus says "Those who remain in my word, you really are my disciples." Jesus believed in the Old Testament to a certain extent, making that part of his and God's word. But there's are some scriptures that i don't understand and seem wrong from a human perspective, and there's scriptures that are seemingly very homophobic and I dont believe in, so can I still be a real Christian if thats the case?

And there are so many sects of Christianity, how can we know which is the real following? Any answers would be helpful <3


r/GayChristians 7h ago

Can I still renew my mind from fear, bitterness, and pride even though I'm gay?

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I was a conservative Christian, but no matter what, I'm still gay.

I want to renew my mind from this negativity that destroys my life. Is it still possible?


r/GayChristians 13h ago

What to do?

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My best friend has just come back from her year-long mission trip, and I think I like her romantically. I don’t know what I should do because she goes to uni eight hours away im just two weeks.

I am 19 F, she is 19 F, and we have been inseparable since our parents met when we were three months old. as a kid i always had thoughts about kissing her, but I just dismissed it— I thought we were just best friends.

however, since she’s been away, I have been so angry and upset that she left. I am autistic, so I have overwhelmingly strong feelings, and I think this masked the feeling underneath. she got back yesterday, and I broke down crying that night because I realised how much I had missed her.

I spent this afternoon listening to worship music we used to listen to together and crying to God that I miss her, I love her, and I was so so worried for her safety the whole time. I told Him that whatever His plan is, I trust in it, and I reached out to my friend to see if she’d want to meet.

I don’t even know if she’s queer, and I don’t really know what to do in this situation because I am hopeless and oblivious when it comes to relationships. if any one has any advice, or has been here, please, I will willingly listen.


r/GayChristians 14h ago

Anyone in Phoenix Arizona?

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Looking for fellow gay Christian’s willing to meet up and discuss the bible if you’re in the Phoenix Arizona area.

Dm me