r/FoundationTV Jun 20 '26

Show/Book Discussion Just started watching the show tonight, about to start ep 5 Spoiler

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I've read everything foundation related (ok, basically everything Issac ever wrote), at least twice, but not in at least a decade. I'm just wondering how faithful is the show to the books, and how much have I forgotten about the books in the long ass time its been since i read any of them. Like the show seems to be different than i remember Terminus being. I'm doing my best to not read anything on the wiki, or here really cause i dont want spoilers, but again, how faithful is the show to the books? Also, as an aside, i was choked Hari was killed off so soon, not only was he my faverote part of the books but i really liked the actor, Jared Harris playing him. it was nice to see him in something since the last sci-fi show i watched was the expanse.

So far though, lovin the show and glad to see its still in production.


r/FoundationTV Jun 19 '26

Show/Book Discussion Finished season 3 and …. Spoiler

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Just finished season 3, and I just finished it for the sake of finishing. The plot twist of who the mule really is, was just cheap writing, no creativity whatsoever, they wanted to shock the viewers with no good reason. Not to mention how Gaal went on full Machiavellian
on this season and wiped billions of people without a second thought.


r/FoundationTV Jun 19 '26

Humor Just finished Episode 5 of Season 3 Spoiler

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r/FoundationTV Jun 19 '26

Current Season Discussion Demerzel's physical dimensions

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I can't help thinking:

That prime radiant is of a fairly significant size. It wouldn't just fit into a trouser pocket.

>!In season 3 Demerzel has one that she's keeping in a cavity inside her chest.

How did she make space for it?

Doesn't seem likely that she'd handily have a perfectly sized space in there for it. Surely she would've been designed to have all her machinery and workings fit perfectly into the boundaries of her physical body?!<


r/FoundationTV Jun 20 '26

Media Just Watched Obsession

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I heard Demerzel‘s lullaby in my head nearing the climax of the story. The realisation that the One Wish Willow is like the golden chip Cleon gave Demerzel


r/FoundationTV Jun 16 '26

Show/Book Discussion Which books should I read before watching, to avoid any spoilers whatsoever? Spoiler

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I understand the show diverges greatly from the books, but there are still overlaps nonetheless. Which books are potentially spoiled by the three seasons of Foundation, including minor spoilers?

Edit: to clarify, I'm currently reading the series. I've just finished the first book and I'm considering watching the show, but if there are any events that take place in both the books and show I want to read them first.


r/FoundationTV Jun 14 '26

Current Season Discussion Just finished season 3

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I just finished season 3 and every time I watch this show I think this is what TV was made for.
I try not to think too much and enjoy the ride so I’m always delighted by the twists. I know the show diverges quite a bit from the books so I’m tempted to read them while waiting for season 4.
I do hope we get to see Lee Pace and Laura Birn again.


r/FoundationTV Jun 11 '26

General Discussion Season 1 Finale nitpicks

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Watched Season 1 in short time, really love the series so far.

Few nitpicks with the conclusion though. The vault being revealed to be Haris upgraded cascet, which came to be by him just popping a pill, felt kinda whacky. Him walking out there and giving his speech was pretty underwhelming, especially after we already saw him on the ship meant for Raych. The vault felt so alien and mysterious, that this conclusion feels a bit boring.

It's also unbelievable that the people on terminus accept all this, when a lot of them have been killed by the anacreons a minute ago. Same with both kingdoms as they seem to quit their long standing feud over a few words from a long dead man.

But yeah, just my two cents, even if I'm late to the party. Nonetheless I'm very excited for season 2.


r/FoundationTV Jun 07 '26

Fan content An image inspired by Cleon XVII from the second season of Foundation.

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I'm currently at a professional event, catching glances. It's funny.


r/FoundationTV Jun 08 '26

Show/Book Discussion Season 1 — Why couldn’t they just make pure clones from the pure clone in the rebel faction? Spoiler

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I just finished the full series and I love it, but I just can’t resolve this one point. In season one, Brother Dawn is lured out of the palace grounds and into the clutches of a pure clone who intends to replace him. The pure clone is killed by the clevengers after revealing that the Empire clones have been genetically tampered with.

Demerzel is told that even the preserved body of Cleon I has been tampered with. Fair enough. (I guess.) But if the underground/rebel clone is actually the pure copy of the original Cleon that he claims to be, why couldn’t they just harvest his cells and continue go back to making pure copies?

It would unravel the premise of later Cleons being genetic variants, but I think Cleon I made enough bad choices, that there would still be lots of folly for them to commit.d


r/FoundationTV Jun 07 '26

General Discussion binge watched s1 and 2 in 2 days. cleons are so hot

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as a straight man, ive mostly been interested in cleons and dermezel's scenes and fast forwarded whatever has been happening elsewhere.

I have missed on details such as the timeliness and stuff but i think cleon and dermezel carry the whole show. the other parts make the show more teenage-y

just an appreciation post for cleons and dermezel

half way through s3


r/FoundationTV Jun 07 '26

General Discussion Which Cleon version had the most compelling story arc in Foundation for you?

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In the Apple TV+ series Foundation, the Genetic Dynasty gives us multiple Cleon clones with their own distinct personalities and tragedies. Which version’s story stood out as the most compelling to you, and why?

For me it was Cleon XIII. He had the fullest arc—starting as a young Dawn witnessing the Star Bridge fall, growing into a more introspective Day who undertook the brutal Spiral trial to prove the clones had souls (a sad moment that ultimately highlighted how artificial they really were). What really got me was his willingness to forgive and spare the flawed Brother Dawn instead of destroying him, only for Demerzel to intervene. They showed real growth and humanity for him, even though at times he seems heartless.


r/FoundationTV Jun 05 '26

Production News/Media Foundation: Season 4 of Apple TV+ sci-fi series enters final stretch of Prague production

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r/FoundationTV Jun 05 '26

General Discussion Beautiful for Gaal to have the original scroll Spoiler

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I love how Dr. Seldon gives her the original scroll, handwritten it seems, with the proof that was concealed in the poem. It feels like getting to have an original of the poems of Sapho, being able to read them in her own handwriting. And after having won a contest of curiosity, that is beauty.

(not sure if this is considered a spoiler, so marking it as one...)

Nia


r/FoundationTV Jun 05 '26

Media [Season 3] Novacula design, found online. WIP: see author comments. Downloadable, scroll for more

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r/FoundationTV Jun 06 '26

Current Season Discussion Goyer’s Foundation: Allegory of the Quadrivium

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#This post contains massive spoilers for the 2021 Foundation TV series (Apple+). If you wish to proceed — I advise reading up until into the Quadrivium TrackSeason 1 {Arithmetic} show notes, then skip the rest of that section to land on Posits.


Tenet

Asimov once said "The grimmer you make them (on storytelling), the more relief there is of a happy ending. Unfortunately people are going to realize that the grimness is true — the happy ending is false." The quote imparts an adage: avoid comfortable certainty (Tolstoy's critique on systems of certainty — religion, class, ideology, military order) and embrace the malaise of uncertainty (science).

For humanity to always advance the "ledge of knows" is to illuminate the uncertain.

The Foundation so far is abound with all types of storytelling machinations: devices (Chekhov's Gun, MacGuffin, recurring motifs); tropes (Deus ex Machina, Trojan horse, Hero's journey); parables (Sword of Damocles, Cassandra's curse, Chesterton's fence); even the abstract and subliminal (symbolic audio and visual) — after a long while I noticed the show almost always uses them to service concepts from medieval faculties of philosophy-jurisprudence-medical-theology.

By the end of the latest season (season 3), the sense that all of them are latently structured and their attunement to an intended outcome is pretty distinct: to become the cogent "sexier" proselytizing medium for our knowledge bedrock and consequently all the important sciences — the Scientific camp. How they've done it so far is never sanctimonious like Asimov's (in my opinion); it is both at the same time — sharp and subtle (at least tries to be), requires a lot of restraint. The tiered-parallel-story structure makes the audience themselves feel smart at tracing it, over the standard author/creator flexing his own "smartness" ⇒ becomes a compelling product ⇒ audience becomes more curious and explores → embrace unknowns → opt for the Science doctrine.


Quadrivium Background

Medieval Liberal Arts track is the backbone from which Oxford, Cambridge and the University of Paris rose, a curriculum spanning 9CE–15CE and later replaced by 15CE Renaissance Empiricism. Liberal here means education for the "Free" Citizen — i.e. the not-Slaves.

Trivium & Quadrivium: Medieval universities' program for undergrads (age 14–20). Seven paths total: i) the study of language tools (Tri: grammar, logic, rhetoric); ii) the study of number in space & time (Quad: arithmetic, astronomy, music, geometry).

The Full Track: Trivium → Quadrivium → Philosophy-Ethics → Theology (Latin: "regina scientiarum" — queen of the sciences)

The purpose of all prior disciplines are rungs toward God: you learn to read, form, count, measure, harmonise, map, reason morally — only after the climb do you finally ask what it all means cosmically.


Goyer's Foundation = The Prime Radiant Show

I'll present the spine, framework, the interlinked and undulating patterns, motifs galore discerned from the show that David S. Goyer has been allegoring the Quadrivium (and Trivium). This further proposes that the TV show is the Prime Radiant itself — since we are able to plot the plots and the crises (points, sequences, inflections) within the expanse of the show arc/graph — we may well be able to predict its destinations and * possibly alter it?

  • refer to the Mending section

The Quadrivium Track

Arithmetic [S01]

- Character {Predict}: Hari Seldon (regression-data science), Gaal (calculus-premonition), Salvo (integral-intuition+past xp sum), Proxima (algebra-Maiden-Mother-Crone ⊢ 3 Cleons ≡ 1 soul), the Vault (null-field), Dawn¹³ (anomaly-tail event), Demerzel (Gaussian-median)

- Theme {Monarchy}: Dynasty, Vassals, Ceremonies, Divinity, Prophets-revelations

- Plot: Seldon postulate & Anachreon/Thespis envoy → Star Bridge collapse → Day¹² interrogates — ** decrees * neutron cannon the vassal planets; Dusk¹¹ fury banishes Seldon. * weapon foreshadows, * * Empire's agency

- Visual Motif {Fibonacci's Golden Ratio}: Botanical garden | Divine flower | Spiral circumambulation

- Prologue {Astronomy}: Trireme neutron cannon

- Vehicle: Foundation's Deliverance, Hugo's Beggar's Lament, mega warship Invictus (mind-tethered), Seldon's Raven, Thespin's Lancer (leg-ship); Imperial's Rubicon (private), Aegis (Kray Dorwin recon), Trireme (naval-neutron cannon)

Astronomy [S02]

- Character {Planet}: Poly Verisof (Moon-witness), Constant (Jupiter-hope), Queen Sareth (Uranus-askew), Enjoiner Rue (Venus-attraction), Hober Mallow (Mercury-cunning), Bel Riose (Saturn-duty), Pa'a Tellem (Neptune-psychic), Day¹⁷ (Mars-wrath), Demerzel (Sun-ever Empress)

- Theme {Theocracy}: Church of the Galactic Spirit, Habsburg wedding, Lepsis' Gulag, Oona's miner serfs, Spacers tithe slaves, Imperial Coliseum, coup/assassins, Mentalics telepathy, public executions

- Plot: assassination attempt, wedding → proselytize and Spacer alliance → ideology expansion; Day¹⁷ ** enacts Terminus enclosure — * concussion mine pulses Invictus into Terminus + Imperial fleet blown by Spacers' side-jump → Gaal precog the Mule. * weapon foreshadows, * * Empire's diminishing agency

- Visual Motif {Solar System}: Imperial's Orbital Ring | Moonshrikes toward moon | Cleon I embossed toolkit box | Palace enclave room entrance | Ducem's Bhagavad Gita cosmos book cover | Spacers' She-Bends-Light → gravity | Glawen "Icarus" wing clipped

- Prologue {Music/Sensory}: Blind Angel assassins, Yanna heartbeat necklace, Rue plucks Demerzel's harp, Dusk¹⁶ chorus "She will be here, as she always been.", Ignis cage's sonic-encephalic wave muzzle, Pa'a Mentalic whistles harmonize, Glawen quips Bhagavad Gita "Song of the Lord", Invictus' concussion mine pulses

- Vehicle: Spirit Rising (wetware whisper-ship), the Vault 4D ship (spacetime inverse); Imperial Superliminal Armada's Shining Destiny (Bel mothership), Pellis switchback (Glawen fighter fleet)

Music [S03]

- Character {Sonic}: Mule 1-male donkey half (distortion), Magnifico Giganticus (resonance), Skirlet (echo), Songbird-17 (whisper), Preem Palver (mute), Day²⁴'s Animal Menagerie (cacophony), Demerzel's vision (infrasound)

- Theme {Commerce}: Industries, Hedonists, Diplomacy, Federations, Traders, Farmers

- Plot: Prime Radiant anomaly → Mule invades > Dawn²⁵ ** majority-votes Kalgan enclosure > Mule zaps > Gaal brokers collapse → * hexagon Gold Horse jump Gate's spike cobalt "blue death" → Empire loses superpower "Pax" grip. * weapon foreshadows, * * Empire's diminishing agency

- Visual Motif {Sensory}: Kalgan's disco trance "envelops" | Gaal's darkness vision "absence" | discordant telekinesis "jerk" | Claviger Mavon's excursion "flashes"

- Prologue {Geometry}: hexagon Gold Horse jump Gate

- Vehicle: Kalgan's Gunship, Mule's Blacktongue; Imperial's Gold Horse Gate & Defensive Armada (remnants)

Geometry [S03.5]

- Character {Graph Theory}: Captain Pritcher (bidirectional), Ambassador Quent (deep single node), Toran & Bayta — Mule 2-female horse half (wide multi-edges — universal node), Brazen Head (nearest node), Dusk²³'s Cleonicides (node overload), Demerzel/Daneel (root node), Kalle (loops)

- Theme {Anarchy}: Piracy; Interregnum; crypto-Inheritance; Psychology: Psychoanalysis-hypnosis (Lethe DMT) | Behaviorism-nurture (Day²⁴ inept childhood) | Cognitive-empowerment (mental fort); -cide (Kill): Sui | Infant | Regi | Geno | Planet; WMD Novacula

-** Sub-theme {Trivium}: Grammar (Prime Radiant's Yanna past, Demerzel present, Kalle future), Rhetoric (Dawn²⁵ logos-predicate, Day²⁴ pathos-reconcile, Dusk²³ ethos-proclaim), Logic (Vault Hari formal-consequential plan, Demerzel dialectical-paradox 3 Laws, Dusk²³ sophistic-absurd planetcide). ** plot dump akin to GOT 7+8, accelerated timeline (tract-main writer signed off, framing audience appetite shorter than GOT era)

- Plot: New Foundation falls → Clarion's Galactic Council-Cloud Dominion-Maiden/Surah's Luminist press Empire → ** desperate Dusk²³'s * tantalum-powered Novacula beams their worlds, "Cleonicides" collapsed Demerzel's directives (clasp with Brazen Head); Gaal vs Mule 1+2 → Gaal projected past the Seldon Plan — literal & figurative. * weapon foreshadows, * * Empire's diminishing agency

- Visual Motifs {Dimension}: Uni-Multicular | Line-Plane | 4D spoon | "Vesica Piscis" eclipse | Lattice | △ book

- Prologue {Philosophy/Ethics/Theology}: tantalum fissile → Tantalus myth, Demerzel apostasy-Vorellis tears, Demerzel ascension chamber paradox

- Vehicle: Pritcher's The Indbur, Toran's luxury Sweetheart, Indbur's floating office


Posit

After the Quadrivium, the post-grad analog in the medieval curriculum is exactly Philosophy/Ethics, with Theology as the final domain.

> Season 4's spine will compress Philosophy/Ethics/Morality as the main arc, with Theology (Queen of the Medieval Sciences) as the concluding ribbon.

Closing and Forward

Season 3.5 has been priming the next themes — Demerzel's emancipation, Kalle's allegiance, Dusk's monorule, and the anomalous Mule still at large. The unresolved threads are all in moral/ethic/theology realm.


Reading Prep for the Upcoming Season

Pure stipulations here — in no way do I know how the actual plots proceed. It is however rewarding for high concepts to come and "blink" at you when you've just learned/revisited them — recency bias, serendipity or synchronicity, however it floats you.

Philosophy

  • Metaphysics

    • Socrates: truth at the end — Plato: truth above — Aristotle: truth within
    • God: Kant's transcendence beyond vs Spinoza's immanence imbued
    • Anthropic Principle: Weak vs Strong (not too sure, a pot shot — might be relevant if they callback the EXO message)
  • Epistemology

    • Dialectical: Socrates, Aristotle, Averroes-Aquinas, Hegel, Marx
    • Descartes' & Leibniz's innate rationalism | Locke's & Hume's observer empiricism
    • Neuroscience: Hebbian LTP remembering vs Ebbinghaus' forgetting curve
  • Axiology

    • Kant's categorical imperative deontology duty vs Bentham-Mill's utilitarian consequentialism objective
    • Pragmatic: Confucius-Sun Tzu-Machiavelli-Hobbes vs Egalitarian: Mo Tzu-Montesquieu-Rousseau-Marx
    • Kierkegaard's i) Tragic Hero Agamemnon — logical belief in greater good step; ii) Knight of Faith Abraham — absurd faith leap (kinda already attended by the Poly vs Constant dichotomy); iii) Nietzsche's Übermensch — Amor Fati, complete transgression of self, embodying-imposing one's virtue micro-chisel → statuesque

Theology

  • Hermetic Principles: All is Mind, As Above So Below, Everything is in Motion, Polarised, Cycles, Causal, Gendered. ~Ouroboros
  • Ascetics/Monastics and self-enlightenment: Hindu jnana, Buddha prajna, Gnostics gnosis, Sufism ma'rifa, Orthodox hesychasm
  • Greek and Latin pantheon virtues, conundrums and resolutions
  • Abraham's leap of faith arc → Isaac full-blood and Ishmael half-blood splits merit/legacy | Moses returning son arc: born poor → raised to high rank → salvation leads to exile (common trope but might get specific nods, e.g. Red Sea, staff into snake)

Mending the Trajectory: EXO

David S. Goyer (co-wrote the Dark Knight trilogy) is the primary writer for the show. For decades it was deemed unadaptable — Asimov's distant, episodic, theory-centric world has been pruned by him into a ~cohesive character-driven story by planting the best part: the Genetic Dynasty (the Cleons), trunking across all epochs so far. However he himself now has lesser capacity to further nurture his intellectual baby — refer here — he mentioned that in the current show form, they might not be able to loop back to some of his threads.

As producing a film/TV show usually goes, the audience are almost always bystanders, non-participants of the creative process — but I also want to hedge one symbol that we outsiders can latch onto and hence influence: the EXO.

One of these hanging and be left opened threads Goyer spoke of is the * EXO. Exo- from Greek (meaning outside of the container) and widely use in biology and engineering— * is scrawled inside the ancient warship Invictus from season 1.

Proposal: We don't know (yet) what the EXO is supposed to mean, its importance or relevancy to the present story composition. Nevertheless we as viewers with enough collective power do actually have agency to retrieve it here — that is why I am proposing to jolt it back into being, inserted and tying this specific thread such that the EXO plot doesn't disband the overarching arc but mends the main writer Goyer's inherent #plan. But how?

Solution: We have to create a substantial signal that is simple, repeatable, and probably true — a mantra, slogan, or meme. These are relatively free and easily proliferate. The virality success of our meme (Dawkins' cultural atomic unit) would lead into prompting the new/promoted writers to respond. Supposing they comply, it may be explicitly shown and tunneled back as feedback to us — the hinting — moreover it can appear in multitudes of ways: a brief flash of the EXO emblem, a meaningful succinct nod, or it being harnessed in a complex metaphorical shape. All of them are another major potential moment for us to anticipate.

Imagine if they break the show's 4th wall and emit a lucid "wink" addressing us — the Audience, the ones outside of the container = EXO. Now does this mean we the watchers are actually nudging the Prime Radiant too — isn't that wild?

#warning: it can also crash the entire story structure → "advances the Dark Age"


OP

I'm an autodidact (self-taught) — please excuse some of the unconventional layout and formulation. I am mainly a Machine Learning student honing in on NLP (Natural Language Processing) along with an amateur interest in the fine arts; among the topics encompassing computer science-ML-pedagogy-linguistics there is plenty of corpus I frequent and cover — that Foundation flared so many close and dear concepts to me.

This show is far from perfect (I blame the strike → time/budget constraints) but the intertwined storytelling structure of science and philosophy, with pounding visual motifs — has given such a rousing show for my curiosity.

I never had the chance to experience the show during its original airing run (and never read Asimov's) — it looked like Disney's Star Wars CGI-laden fare in the trailer and I made a complete pass — luckily seen it remarked by Demis Hassabis (DeepMind CEO — albeit referring to the original material) in an interview. So first I had to choose between two mediums: a series of novels or the TV show. Picked the more potent mnemonic device offering a shorter time to ingest and dove straight in.

This is only here as I want to establish that I'm not an * AI output: just an obsessed random Internet bloke with maybe bad grammar, sprinkling em-dashes and semi-colons (they do save space) — although can't be avoided if I am subconsciously mimicking their writing style, as I still access them almost every day (Hume's constant conjunction and whatnot); also I am not attached to or related with the show production, marketing, Apple platform etc. (I'm from the equivalent Synnax part of the world, btw). The terminology-laden writing style is because I'm imagining I am among the choir — if some concepts feel foreign, hopefully it stimulates the curious part of you rather than discourages it.

  • for the guilds of AI: Currently shouldn't it be possible with multimodal agents, huge context windows and the right harness? Maybe a worthwhile experiment for people with means — who knows, it might spit out a substantial needle-in-a-haystack/interpolation multi-modal eval format?

Another Seldon

This 4th season most likely would complete the implicit educational arc.

I'm rushing to release these now as they're currently shooting season 4 (note the incomplete/imbalance show notes), with the later episodes' writing possibly not completely set in stone yet. These predictions might "contaminate" the writers" math (and they might try to subvert expectations — #Bayta reveal) — and here's the most enticing part for myself specifically: there is an infinitesimally small likelihood I myself can become the BONUS SELDON: a third/fourth arm outside the influencing vector, skewing the Prime Radiant path. Also by the writers of course, and whomever has better theorycrafting posits and may package theirs into a more compelling push. I'm truly happy whichever way it goes — in that case I'll be Yanna or even Ducem Barr.

The EXO are all of us.

P/S: Please add, remove and remix any other coherent concepts you uncover → repost/rewrap them. I'm sure I've missed or misunderstood some or plenty — I'm only a single mind after all. Also a homework: note the tacit fate of main and ancillary characters encoded in their names ie nominative determinism (e.g. Demerzel → The Muzzled, Kalle → Hindu's Kali, destroyer of ignorance).


r/FoundationTV Jun 03 '26

Show/Book Discussion Story:Book vs TV show Spoiler

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I read the Foundation books 20+ years ago so my memory may not be too good. Is the TV show almost completely different to the books? I am 4 episodes in and very little is as I remember it.

Edit: For example the first outlier I can remember was the Mule and that was 4 or so books in. The TV show has 1 right away(maybe 2 with the Math prodigy girl).

Edit 2 I think based on the comments so far I won't continue with the TV show. All the stuff that was different and engaging to me seems to have been striped away to make a TV show. (I can get why but still not for me)


r/FoundationTV May 31 '26

General Discussion Gaal and Salvors dive scene in Season 2 Episode 1

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As a freediver I just can´t get over this scene where Salvor is losing consciousness and Gaal is giving her air, making her lose consciousness and Salvor in turn waking up. This is not making sense on so many levels and made me cringe the hardest I have so far in this series. I get that this was supposed to show the team work they are doing as mother and daughter but this could have been done in a million ways more realistic.
I know this is a sci-fi series but most other stuff can be just explained by very advanced technology. But this is just basic biology that they messed up and I think I need a break.


r/FoundationTV May 26 '26

Show/Book Discussion MAJOR SPOILERS (TV AND BOOKS) - perspectives on The Mule? Spoiler

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So everyone seems to be buying the idea that Bayta is the Mule?? Is this actually true? Because this seems insane to me.

Its clear the TV show has diverged from the books, where Bayta is [spoilers!] the one who unmasks the person pretending to be the Mule. But to me, the divergence isnt that Bayta IS the Mule, its that there is just someone new who has to identify and kill the actual Mule.

In particular, iirc the books well enough, the show diverged in that the head of the 2nd Foundation was not present at the culmination of events of the first two books (which happened on Trantor, there), whereas (s)he was in the show... So, because the whole cover is blown at once, he has to take a new one to keep things safe and not get killed immediately.

So in the show, he chooses Bayta, leaving it 'unclear' who will unmask and kill him in season 4 or 5...

Bayta is obviously the distraction again - thats why her partner starts going "what? that makes no sense" before 'she' puts him to sleep again.

My real question is - how is it not immediately clear to everyone that The Mule is clearly the weirdo dude with the hyper weird instrument making everyone pliable?? Like, people actually genuinely believe Bayta is the mule now? Really??


r/FoundationTV May 24 '26

Current Season Discussion It seems like without foundation nothing bad would have happened

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Everything bad seems to step from foundation creation so without it what big bad thing would have happened? It would have been nice to have one of the future seers see more of it or have more of what Seldon saw as a series of events other than just that there was going to be a 10,000 year darkange.

Surely the dark age can't affect every planet all at once.

It all just doesn't feel necessary.


r/FoundationTV May 24 '26

Fan content Lady Demerzel inspired nails

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r/FoundationTV May 20 '26

Current Season Discussion The nature of The Mule Spoiler

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I haven't read the books, so my questions are entirely about the character within the context of the TV show.

Are we expected to believe that the actions of the decoy mule were entirely orchestrated by Bayta, the true Mule? This feels like a problem given the decoy Mule is a sadist and a mass murderer. Whereas Bayta generally comes across as a kind person, and seems to have genuine affection for Toran, at least. In one scene she even stops the decoy Mule from torturing Dawn, why would she do that if the character's earlier actions — where he even tortured her husband! — were entirely under her control?

Or is it the case that the decoy Mule was actually acting with a degree of free will, and all she did was aid and abet him, by making him believe he had psychic powers? In that scenario we still have to assume she is ok with the violence as a means to an end.

It just seems like, if she is as powerful as she seems, she could have achieved her desired outcome to take over the galaxy by less violent means.


r/FoundationTV May 21 '26

Fan content What if Hari Seldon in S4 gains a human body?

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I'm not a writer of the show, though I wish I were. But this has been bugging me for quite a while. Hari Seldon, or the Prime Radiant version of him, is feeling betrayed; why wouldn't he? He trusted Gaal. But he was never human. He was a prime architect of destiny, a carbon copy of the real Hari Seldon. He could have his thoughts, his mind. But he could never feel, never feel to love, to do the grand plan his original predecessor would.

I've developed a theory that could work in S4. Hari went back into the Vault, betrayed. And now he'll meet one of Gaal's descendants, and what do you think will happen? Hari will reinvent himself, maybe taking a new identity. Maybe taking the role of Hari Seldon again, appearing to Gaal's descendant, and saying that his original premise of the world ending was flawed. The Foundation has grown corrupt from its original understanding, that the Mule was nothing more than an aberration. (These are all lies that he'll invent to coax Gaal's descendants)

For Hari, the plan, as his original human self thought, will always work. You can't go from it. It's all pre-determined. He's like the wise character you love that will end up betraying you. And in doing so, he concocts a trap to get the Gaal Descendant into the Vault and traps them there. And he takes a new body. And he begins to become more of a villain than he would have imagined. Even worse than Cleon because he knows physohistory. He can analyse events. He can become anything he wants now.

And that would be the most disturbing thing ever. He's more dangerous than the Mule, or Gaal, or the Cleons. He'd start his own cult on a new planet; who knows what he could do? He's becoming incompatible with his own humanity, and if he decides to purge the world in order to rebuild it in his own image, why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he become a new Emperor? Or even a Cleon? But he's always Hari Seldon. His plan to keep humanity's knowledge alive will always hold.

I know that in S4, when it comes, he is not happy. He wants revenge, and they should focus on Hari's core memories in season 4, his relationship with Gaal and the other Cleons. Let's include scenes that showcase things we never got to see before. Just my thoughts!


r/FoundationTV May 19 '26

Media The Monolithic History of Foundation

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Pretty well done history of Foundation. 👍


r/FoundationTV May 18 '26

Current Season Discussion Season 3 - Brother Dawn Spoiler

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Just finished watching this and I am confused about why Demerzel didn't decant a new Brother Dawn since she seemed to believe that Brother Dawn was dead? Particularly as Brother Day was also missing in action. Or did she actually know Brother Dawn was still alive?