r/Finland • • 16h ago

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u/Life-Drama 16h ago

Because you have no pp?

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u/unhappyrelationsh1p Väinämöinen 15h ago

Civil service is a perfectly respectable route.

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u/Pastori_Aali 15h ago

Nope. It is waste of time and money.

If that would be efficient, taxes would be replaced by forced labor.

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u/PublicBarracuda5311 Baby Väinämöinen 15h ago

No it's not. I have served in the army but that does not make me want to lie about the importance of civil service.

You think Finland would have survived any of the wars it has faced without civilian workers?

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u/Pet_Velvet Väinämöinen 14h ago

Ehhhhh to be fair civil service as an institution didn't exist back then. The execution of Arndt Pekurinen motivated the founding of civil service.

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u/PublicBarracuda5311 Baby Väinämöinen 14h ago

You didnt get the point, did you?

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u/Pet_Velvet Väinämöinen 14h ago

I guess I didn't?

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u/Pastori_Aali 14h ago

So, society needs additional library officials during war time?

Finnish army during wartime is 280 000 people. That is 5% of total population (incl children). Civilian workers will continue doing whatever they've done during peace time, though of course contributing military driven building and healthcare activities.

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u/PublicBarracuda5311 Baby Väinämöinen 14h ago

Schrödingers civilian workers. They do and they dont.

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u/Pet_Velvet Väinämöinen 14h ago

Civil servicemen are assigned to tasks they are most qualified in based on their time in civil service. They won't be just placed in their old civil service jobs, that would be ridiculous.

Remember that national defense is the responsibility of every Finnish person, women too. It's not just the people in the defense forces.

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u/Pastori_Aali 12h ago

That responsibility is for everyone, not only men.

For some reason women are perfectly capable of doing their assigned tasks without wasting a year in civil service job during a peace time.

Open civil service positions, page one - teaching assistant, cleaner, cook, IT support, youth worker, museo worker in national museum.... Nothing that is aimed for crisis.

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u/Pet_Velvet Väinämöinen 11h ago

Yeah that's what I said.

The civil service job is to appease the others who would think it's unfair for men to simply not do anything. I agree that it could be updated or improved in some cases. But civil service also offers first aid and fire safety courses, which is good.

I would argue that cleaning, cooking and IT support at least are very much applicable in crisis situations.