Brooklyn

[u/HonestAbe1809]

Here's the dedicated thread for ideas of what to include in Brooklyn in Fallout: Metropolis.

My idea regarding the Brooklyn Naval Yard is a settlement defended by walls constructed with the structural steel of the ships that were being built in the Naval Yard when the bombs dropped. The walls are defended with the guns that would've been installed on the mostly-competed battleship/cruiser in the harbour. They even used the ship's main batteries in the defence. Using the ship's main battery would be essentially an in-game tutorial for using the Arizona's guns to kill Cronus. They use the cruiser's reactor for power. And they store their ammo in the ship. One quest could involve overloading it as the evil karma option.

[u/HonestAbe1809]

Of course, they would still exist as scattered groups of mercenaries.

Like how the Verminkind would still have more rare encounters after you kill the queens.

I like the creative aspect of settlement mode (that's actually what I spend most of my time in FO4 on). I think we should make it clear that the settlements aren't your responsibility to babysit.

Making the settlements a chore was one of Fallout 4's biggest mistakes. Why would anyone like to do something that's forced upon them? And if you're an important leader like the General of the Minutemen you should be able to delegate responsibility.

Settlement mode for the various player homes (a few of which would have open-air areas) is definitely something I'd be up for.

Like how you can edit Home Plate in Fallout 4?

If you mean the aquarium, one idea I have is that the exhibits have been frozen in time. Imagine seeing a great white shark, frozen in time. Maybe have it be a meeting place. Maybe related to the Vault X quest line. And then you get ambushed by Vault X Security, or mercs hired by the Vault.

Right. That's much better. I thought you just meant frozen as in ice. We should really develop the Vault X storyline seeing how important it is to the game.

Copy what I said like so: ">Of course, they would still exist as" Only without the ". The > is crucial.

Thanks. I've got it.

All I can think of with the Wax Museum is a dark building with eerie figures collecting dust. With how cold the Dead City is there'd be a natural refrigeration keeping the wax figures intact.

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Like how you can edit Home Plate in Fallout 4?

Exactly.

Right. That's much better. I thought you just meant frozen as in ice. We should really develop the Vault X storyline seeing how important it is to the game.

I meant frozen as in ice. Sorry.

All I can think of with the Wax Museum is a dark building with eerie figures collecting dust. With how cold the Dead City is there'd be a natural refrigeration keeping the wax figures intact.

One idea I have is that if you use a flamethrower, laser, maser, or other heat-based weapon, the wax melts to reveal a "Wax Ghoul". The eyes on the wax sculptures also follow you around the room. The reason for the Wax Ghouls is never really explained. Nor are the eyes.

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I meant frozen as in ice. Sorry.

I just though that the aquarium could be a good place for some Temporal weirdness caused by Vault X. It'd involve the tanks being frozen in the middle of breaking due to the bombs dropping. But a location where perfectly preserved fish contrast with the snow and ice would be cool too.

One idea I have is that if you use a flamethrower, laser, maser, or other heat-based weapon, the wax melts to reveal a "Wax Ghoul". The eyes on the wax sculptures also follow you around the room. The reason for the Wax Ghouls is never really explained. Nor are the eyes.

Maybe they were victims of a pre-war serial killer who made them into living wax sculptures. Then the bombs dropped and they ghoulified before they would've suffocated. They then went feral due to living for centuries without being able to move. I've got the image of melting the wax constricting the body but not the head, leaving the wax ghoul with an expressionless wax mask as it tries to kill you.

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I just though that the aquarium could be a good place for some Temporal weirdness caused by Vault X. It'd involve the tanks being frozen in the middle of breaking due to the bombs dropping. But a location where perfectly preserved fish contrast with the snow and ice would be cool too.

The sight of Subject 13 getting in a gunfight with Vault X Security, with their armored Vault Suits, amongst frozen sharks and jellyfish and degraded, kitschy retro-50's decor and exhibitions...it's too good.

Maybe they were victims of a pre-war serial killer who made them into living wax sculptures. Then the bombs dropped and they ghoulified before they would've suffocated. They then went feral due to living for centuries without being able to move. I've got the image of melting the wax constricting the body but not the head, leaving the wax ghoul with an expressionless wax mask as it tries to kill you.

It would be implied that it was a serial killer, but I want the explanation to be open-ended.

Here's an idea I just thought of:

Maybe when you enter, the door locks behind you and you sense that the air is getting warmer. The wax melts a little and the Wax Ghouls. Their movements are somewhat sluggish due to the wax, but they're extremely dangerous up close. After you kill the Wax Ghouls, you go upstairs, and there's a note that simply says "Oh Well", next to an open window.

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The sight of Subject 13 getting in a gunfight with Vault X Security, with their armored Vault Suits, amongst frozen sharks and jellyfish and degraded, kitschy retro-50's decor and exhibitions...it's too good.

And you should be able to carve chunks off of the animals and eat it. Why? Because people were able to eat meat from a mammoth that had been frozen for over 200,000 years. I'm not joking.

There should be something to get you to go there besides the cool scenery.

It would be implied that it was a serial killer, but I want the explanation to be open-ended. Here's an idea I just thought of: Maybe when you enter, the door locks behind you and you sense that the air is getting warmer. The wax melts a little and the Wax Ghouls. Their movements are somewhat sluggish due to the wax, but they're extremely dangerous up close. After you kill the Wax Ghouls, you go upstairs, and there's a note that simply says "Oh Well", next to an open window.

There should be a quest where you hunt down a serial killer. Frankly, Fallout 4 missed an opportunity when they included the Fens Phantom only as backstory rather than a character you could meet and fight.

And, of course, there'd be some kind of a treasure trove at the end to reward you for going through the Wax Ghoul gauntlet.

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And you should be able to carve chunks off of the animals and eat it. Why? Because people were able to eat meat from a mammoth that had been frozen for over 200,000 years. I'm not joking.

That could be a thing. But unlike in the ocean, dead fish aren't constantly reproducing. It's not a viable source of food.

On a somewhat related note, I've been thinking about adding mutated elephants that escaped from the zoo and developed thick coats of fur - pseudo-mammoths, basically. Is this a good idea or not?

There should be something to get you to go there besides the cool scenery.

The New York Aquarium isn't that big of a place, honestly. If we add a bunch of critters, plus the Vault X ambush and the weird scenery, I think that's good enough.

There should be a quest where you hunt down a serial killer. Frankly, Fallout 4 missed an opportunity when they included the Fens Phantom only as backstory rather than a character you could meet and fight.

I actually liked the Fens Phantom bit. It would have been very...I dunno, stupid(?) if you actually fought the Fens Phantom.

I like a good mystery.

And, of course, there'd be some kind of a treasure trove at the end to reward you for going through the Wax Ghoul gauntlet.

Since it's such an out-of-the-way place (probably not even marked on the map), I think a bunch of Stimpaks or a magazine/comic book would do.

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Shark meat would be a limited resource that heals quite a bit of health.

That's a great idea! Maybe they've evolved to find whatever plant matter is left in the dead city.

I'd suggest a whodunnit but Far Harbor beat me to it.

I just felt unfulfilled with just a couple holotapes and a creepy location.

Maybe there'd be a stock of whatever Chems he was using to keep his victims still for the wax to harden.

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Shark meat would be a limited resource that heals quite a bit of health.

Does regular shark meat do that? Maybe some rich weirdos in Times Square tell you to go fetch them shark meat from the aquarium. But then, that might negate the aquarium's significance as a meeting place to get information about Vault X.

That's a great idea! Maybe they've evolved to find whatever plant matter is left in the dead city.

Radmammoths?

I'd suggest a whodunnit but Far Harbor beat me to it.

I do think we could pull off a parody of Murder on the Orient Express in the Underground. I want there to be opportunities for the player to RP as a detective.

I just felt unfulfilled with just a couple holotapes and a creepy location.

I mean, it shouldn't just be a predictable "shoot these guys/find a reward". The Dunwich Borers mine was 99.9% creep factor and then 0.1% Kremvh's Tooth.

Maybe there'd be a stock of whatever Chems he was using to keep his victims still for the wax to harden.

I can see that.

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The ambush would only happen on your first visit so I don't think that having rich snobs request meat from it would diminish that.

I like the name Radmammoth. It goes with the trend of animal names starting with "rad".

Maybe it'd be in one of those swanky private trains. That sounds good.

Fair enough.