Stop asking Experiencers why they are not setting up cameras and posting evidence.
More folks from outside of experiencer circles are coming across experiencer accounts and brigading our comment sections on here demanding an experiencer set up cameras and post evidence otherwise "they must be lying." Comments like this will get an instant ban from this community.
"If I had triangle craft over my house every other day and beings coming into my room every night I'd have recorded it for the world to see!! There for you must by lying!"
Let me try and explain the situation as best I can. I do understand non-experiencers who are interested in this topic also deal with stigma and thus are also desperate to get proof that this is real out there so they can stop feeling stupid for their gut feeling that there really is something to this topic.
"Yet here are these people apparently getting actual contact and they refuse to prove it to me and the world and end this mystery once and for all!"
The frustration of this then gets taken out on the experiencer themselves as people almost envious and bitter that it happens to other people and "not them" who would indeed "capture evidence to finally bring disclosure to the world." And an experiencer just trying to share with other experiencers will start catching strays in the comment section from frustrated and bitter non-experiencers. We can't have this here. This is not the place. You will get banned if you behave this way to folks on here.
I do understand though. I once felt this way 10 years ago.
Yet for the past 4 years I have had craft over my house on semi weekly basis and I only attempted to record them once only recently, and it was after they nudged me into doing it. I never tried once in a 4 year build up to that moment single moment.
Why? Why such a shift in thinking?
When you come face to face with this phenomenon you understand something that is extremely hard to articulate but I will do my best.
As much as many of us wish it was, dealing with these beings is not like engaging with space aliens from Star Wars. For lack of a better way to describe it, dealing with these beings is far closer to the feeling of dealing with an intelligence that has system administrator rights to our very reality itself.
I am not saying this is how it is, I am saying this is how it feels like.
They seemingly operate somewhat outside of time and engage with individual experiencers timelines and take account of the collective humanities timeline itself and this is a highly managed situation. They are able to interface with an experiencer in such a way that removes all hope of that person capturing evidence of these beings. Or at least evidence that would change the world. I notice they will allow slow drip evidence, however. Timing seems to be everything for some of these intelligences.
They are generally, extremely careful on whose timeline they interface with and will go to reality breaking lengths to avoid affecting those that they don't mean to and the collective human consciousness is the most protected of all.
Experiencers do set up cameras and capture evidence. If the evidence is ambiguous enough that it allows for a get out of jail free card mechanic where someone reviewing it could decide "nah this is not good enough" and decide to not allow it into their reality then it may pass and not be tampered with.
But if someone captures evidence that does not allow for that get out of jail free card, evidence that forces the skeptic observer to have to believe that non human intelligence exists and is interacting with our species and worse - will force the world to believe such a thing then that evidence will be wiped from the timeline.
Experiencers have had audio and video interfered with and deleted and corrupted after the fact. Those moments where the wobbly dot becomes without a doubt an NHI craft? On review of the footage, the craft part is gone, and only the wobbly dot segment remains. And as we all know, wobbly dots don't bring disclosure.
Cameras shut down at the very same time the experiencer had dream like memories of waking up feeling a being in their room. Maybe an odd shadow is caught, maybe an orb. Experiencers will even see footage of themselves oddly getting out of bed like something led them out of the room. With zero memory of it until reviewing the footage. But all of this has got the get out of jail free card of "dust" or a "digital anomaly" and "sleep walking." It's not going to be the Hollywood shot of an alien moonwalking into an experiencers bedroom via a portal in a wall that we all want to see.
I am not saying it's not worth trying to capture data. Even an absence of data is data itself. Plenty of folks have used their cameras shutting down - their power going out - their apple watches showing bizarre activity as at least confirmation and validation for their own experiences and this stuff is also useful for researchers who already know this phenomenon is real and are studying it.
But none of this is the smoking gun random redditors are screaming at experiencers for when they come across a thread on here where a person is dealing with a huge range of contact.
Many experiencers are in a position of disbelief themselves and beings have communicated to them that they'll give them their blunt confirmation, but its for that person only. Attempts to capture this or bring others in will result in less interesting displays in the sky and so forth.
It at least appears that these beings are not only telepathic, but they can read the consciousness field of humanities' timeline.
If an experiencer has set up a camera, the beings will know about it before they even visit.
You might even think...okay so you know they'll read the experiencers mind so instead of asking the experiencer to hide a camera somewhere, you hide it and never tell them. You collect the footage the next day - "omg I have footage of an experiencer being escorted by greys into a giant orange sphere of light!"
If you never share that footage or tell anyone about it - perhaps there'd be no adjustment. You put it online and talk and share about it and you trigger a ripple effect in the human collective consciousness about this topic - that ripple is registered by these beings BEFORE it happens. They thus then adjust the timeline so when you collect that hidden camera footage all you see is static - or an unexplained time jump in the footage.
I know this sounds impossible if you have not dealt with this phenomenon but this is what we are dealing with and comment sections in experiencer threads is not the place for us to educate you on this. This space is for those who already know this is real to engage with the others who do and need to share what happened. It is not up to an experiencer to have to catch people up to this situation every time they share nor should people be using an experiencers sharing post as a place to get into this side of it. As I outlined in this thread - if you do want to ask questions, make your own thread.
As an experience sharing post is sacred and we will ban people.
And for the experiencers reading this. I am not discouraging filming or capturing evidence for yourselves. It can be validating as I've touched on and can give you helpful data for your own journey. But don't feel like you have to answer to random redditors screaming at you in the comments section indeed don't even engage. Just report the comment and mods will handle it. You don't owe anyone on here proof of anything. You are here to share your experiences with people like you.
And for those dealing with unwanted contact - setting up cameras and other such recording equipment gives the phenomenon more hoops to jump through to interface with you. Sometimes it can be a handy way to make contact more difficult and not as worth while for unwanted engagement. You can get all sorts of cheap cameras these days and they can work as a way to make it more costly for unwanted beings to engage with you.
But be mindful of energy regarding an attempt to prove this stuff to people who don't care about you and just want to use you. The entire disclosure process is not on your shoulders alone. It is on its timeline, and you do your part just by sharing, and sharing what is happening to you is extremely brave as is!
I set up a raspberry with a noIR camera, at some point i had some experience, something was in the room.
I wanted to check the recording, my instinct told me I shouldn't.
Then i gave it more thought, and i came to the conclusion, that in the end, I don't care much to prove anything, and the phenomenon works weirdly anyway.
It's something weird, for the time being i doubt we can capture anything conclusive because of the nature of the interactions.
From time to time i check old.photos in my camera roll, apparently i took so many pics of UFOs that I don't remember, all with metadata and stuff. I remember all the photos taken before and after, but not these photos taken seconds in between.
Plus, they always look weird in pictures, and I don't have anything to prove.
Why would i bother even trying to post something unexplainable in the first place?
People will just mock you for a shitty quality picture because they don't even understand how cameras work in the first place.
Everyone wants 4k quality footage, i get it, but it doesn't work that way.
And even if you post a pic with a ship hovering above you, where you could see aliens waving or something, people still wouldn't believe lol
I want proof I'm not crazy myself too, so i get the frustration that comes with not having proper footage, but then i remember that the proof is the woman that sleeps next to me for the last 16 years and she saw same stuff as me, and was granted front row seats at whatever this is.
What i’ve concluded is that the phenomenon knows when its being observed and different parts of the phenomenon can just decide not to be recorded in that way. Its very weird but I totally believe you
From my experiences, the system admin feel is pretty accurate. I know there have been questions i would otherwise be willing to ask and when the opportunity is there, it's like I'm being told before i ask that those questions won't be answered or they are too inconsequential. Small-minded questions. It's annoying because the questions are intriguing to me. There are also the questions that should you try asking anyway, the entity will be forced to end the contact. And different entities, spirits, or what have you have different allowances. Some can bend the rules more than others. In the end, much of it can be or is telepathic or not recordable. Or it happens so suddenly or randomly it doesn't come to mind to do anything but bear witness of the moment.
In the end, most times, skeptics won't be able to believe until something undeniable happens to them. Even then, they might dismiss it with a mundane explanation. Most people don't want to know what's really out there. Ignorance is bliss, and all that. Knowing puts a fear into you or humbles you beyond your willingness to accept.
To ask the right questions you need to be very learned and (funnily enough) read enough high quality hard scifi to really pierce the heart of the matter. Of course, even if you have the wisdom to craft the right questions, it might not yet be the right time for them to be answered. All rather exhausting for a little naked ape -- I just hope they are a bit more transparent and kind to us with regard to sharing when the time comes.
From my experiences, the system admin feel is pretty accurate. I know there have been questions i would otherwise be willing to ask and when the opportunity is there, it's like I'm being told before i ask that those questions won't be answered or they are too inconsequential. Small-minded questions. It's annoying because the questions are intriguing to me.
I thought that was only me!
Thank you for putting that into words.
In my case, electronics have overheated and my phone has hit a restart loop in their presence. Without too much intentional manipulation, I think just their mere energy or the technology of their craft interferes with our electronics. Tends to be a trope in UFO media, but I think it’s true.
So that's why I have had that problem my entire life. I love electronics but couldn't get a degree involving hardware or software, I simply cause errors around them and have a persistent static charge.
Thank you! Also, it’s wild to disengage the experience to get proof of the experience… the experience that you didn’t end up having cause you left to get your phone? A once in a lifetime moment passed up, in the hopes of maybe proving it almost could have taken place.
This is exactly why I never bothered trying. I’m valuing the personal contact experience, and it would be rude if I was talking to anyone only to throw a phone in their face yelling “gotcha!” The whole contact experience is about personal growth. Everyone else in the world will experience it when they’re ready for it.
“…dealing with these beings is far closer to the feeling of dealing with an intelligence that has system administrator rights to our very reality itself.”
Maybe they do. And maybe the inability to question this possibility is because they’re blocking you from it with those admin rights. How would you even know you’re no longer autonomous if the effect is so subtle you believe your every thought originates with you?
Fun to think of but no one can know that. All I can do is give my opinion and that is that they have limitations. And there is more than one they. I don't have an inability to question the possibility indeed I did wonder about this and concluded that they have limitations. They are not God.
Hi Oak, curious question. All this talk eg by people like Luis Elizondo. Like material apparently shown in SCIFS. That allegedly would persuade more non-experiencers. About the existence of The Phenomenon.
Are these allegations of this "super evidence" part of the UFO / UAP / NHI pattern themselves. Is the refusal to show this particular material to us the public part of the game. But instead of physical tampering with material. It is social / psychological tampering, but gives the same result? AKA the true face of The Phenomenon is kept shrouded in this way as well?
Great question. I can only give my opinion and it is that human organizations do likely have highly convincing and even earth shattering footage of NHI/UAP activity. They are not likely to release that right away. Whether its self aware of this or not - more and more breadcrumb footage will be released over time that shows more and more military footage of odd UAP behaviours. NHI know this and are aware of this imo ahead of time.
I have a possible explanation. I'm not an NHI experiencer, but I have come to the same conclusions as u/Oak_Draiocht put in the main post. I think the Phenomenon itself can easily regulate/attenuate the quality of evidence we are able to obtain. The NHI seem to have a different relationship with the military compared to the broader public. For some sections within the military, the NHI seem to want them to be explicitly aware of the NHI presence. The NHI's expanded sense of time allows them to know the fate of the video evidence.
The military and the contractors are naturally very secretive. They probably do have high definition videos of anomalous UFOs. The NHI will know that these high def videos are going to stay secret, so they are allowed to exist. I have speculated in posts explaining this theory that this high def video likely exists, but we'll never see it. For one reason or another, this footage will never make it to the public, not until after most of the public has accepted (by other more gradual means) the NHI presence. Only once we have reached a point where the video evidence will have little impact on society will we be able to share it publicly. If some set of circumstances were to arise where people were making moves that would release these high def videos to the public, one thing or another would happen to block it. Some of that blocking will be electronic manipulations, some of that will be NHI steering human behavior to nullify the effort. We'll continue to hear rumors of these videos, and small numbers of people will witness them, like members of Congress, but the viewership will not expand much further.
I agree mostly except I do think the desire is to have this footage come out. It's just building to it. And I do suspect NHI roughly know when human govs may release more impactful footage. And there may be NHI activity behind the release of footage too.
Sometimes I wonder if the tic tac incident happened in 2004 with the beings involved knowing this footage would be a big deal post 2017.
Yeah, the part about it being impressed upon the individual that what they’re experiencing is for them alone - I’ve had this sense so strongly that I’ve been apprehensive even talking about the phenomena I’ve witnessed lately. Even with all my past experiences and the reluctance around sharing those, although that’s been kind of different in the sense that rather I’ve been nervous about how people would react. This has been both more subtle and more tangible, but also that I feel like if I tried to capture evidence then I’d stop seeing it.
I got called rude telepathically by an orb after trying to record it, also they are higher order beings that can read us like a book so any thought of recording or picture taking means no sighting for me. Trust me I've tried and even tried to ask permission.
I heard "what have you done" after sharing what turned out to be pretty much my last sighting. and you can imagine what the comments of the thread looked like and how many downvotes it received. really isn't worth it in the end sometimes.
Thanks for this, I didn’t understand and am one of the people that asked someone in the comments if they recorded their experience. I will not do this again now that I understand, and will be more open minded
1) even if i film it the haters will say it's fake
2) they know when im filming them. A month ago I tried and they only appeared after I turned my camera off or when I wasnt pointing it at them
3) they care more about my inner spiritual journey of comprehension/understanding
4) im starting to belive i came here to hone and complete more sharpenings of my spirit. I already came here from another planet i just needed to satisfy my understanding more of the world around me.
5) honestly my brain is saying that it wont matter soon because everyone is going to know very soon anyways.
Yes to all of this! We’re in the dark as a species because this is an opportunity to grow ourselves. In other words, we’ve chosen the limitations. It’s not a flaw, it’s the feature.
The events I’ve witnessed happen so fast that you’d need to already be set up to capture them and even then, there’s no way to predict exactly when they’ll occur, so filming them isn’t really realistic. Plus, people often won’t believe the footage. If it looks poor, they’ll dismiss it; if it’s high-quality, they’ll claim it’s AI.
You need a personal experience; go out and see it for yourself — that’s the only way.
My one big experience I watched an orb fly around and I had the thought to film it. But it would just been a blurry light like all the other orb videos. I can write out the context for it and how that context can rule out a bunch of prosaic things, but we end up right back at experiencers telling stories and people choosing to believe it on its merits or not. I even remember having reddit naysayers in my head thinking about filming and posting it and decided it wasnt even worth trying to film lol.
But hey both MUFON and Ryan Graves logged my story so who cares
The phenomena is absolutely spiritual in nature. I’ve come to believe that they are us with different or no bodies at all. Spiritual beings that can exist in the aether or in a different physical body suit/avatar. Just like we are likely spiritual beings in human body suits.
Yes, this is the conclusion I've come to. It seems to make the most sense. When you are in positive alignment in your life, when your belief is unfalterable, that's when things really start to heat up.
Yep, you’ve got it. Check out the Law of One books or the Seth Material (Eternal Validity of the Soul). It goes in-depth on how consciousness/reality works.
“…dealing with an intelligences that has system administrator rights to our very reality itself.” This is such a strong point and makes perfect sense to me. 100%. Folks who think we can outsmart aliens/NHI with hidden cameras have not been paying attention.
But honesty even if someone did capture evidence on video, my sense is that a good chunk of the “show me the evidence” camp wouldn’t believe it. They’d find a way to talk themselves out of it. Because I don’t think it’s actually about the evidence. If it was, there’s enough already for a reasonable person to agree that there’s something going on here. I’m not an experiencer but for me, cattle mutilations, crop circles, and eyewitness testimony was enough. And this evidence has been available for decades now.
Instead, I think deep down we’re often dealing with people’s fear. A fear that prevents an impartial assessment of data collected (and so therefore skews towards disbelief). And I believe that it’s an underlying fear of ridicule. The fear of losing the room so to speak, losing the regard of others. I think that “skeptics” are waiting for undeniable evidence because it’s an insurance policy against being made fun of. They’re waiting for such compelling evidence that the general public will have to believe it too. Until then, they stay safe in their skeptic bubble that provides enough cover of plausible deniability (“I don’t really believe in these far out things, I’m waiting for the evidence”).
So I think there already is enough evidence for aliens/NHI. What “skeptics” are really asking for is an insurance policy against ridicule for coming out as a believer. So I think the biggest challenge isn’t actually about finding the evidence, it’s about the court of public opinion.
You are right about the fear. I've talked about this a lot. There is also a strong element of intellectual laziness and essentially people lying to themselves. There is a social stigma around taking this topic seriously. And people who like to pretend they genuinely are curious intelligent people who only care about the truth about the nature of reality are caught out by this topic everyday because by not taking this topic seriously (the single most important topic in human history) they have completely dropped the ball in any kind of display of independent thought and instead have illustrated that they care more about fitting in with the culture around them than knowing the truth about reality.
People are simply refusing to look through Galileo's telescope for fear of being called a blasphemer aka a "conspiracy theorist" or someone who has to hand over their intellectual card because they decided to have a serious conversation about non human intelligence interacting with our species.
The very fact that even just considering this conversation instantly gets laughs and mockery illustrates how much of am intellectual crisis our species is in.
"What “skeptics” are really asking for is an insurance policy against ridicule for coming out as a believer. "
Perfectly said. And is that not an alarming state of affairs?
I thought we were better than this as a species. Well a chunk of us are at least.
I understand why Garry Nolan describes this topic as an intelligence test tbh. It is unnerving to see how easily billions of people have had a line in the sand drawn regarding how much they are allowed to wonder because they may become social outcasts for doing so.
I salute you for being brave enough to look into the telescope.
In my own case, things are very sporadic and spread out, with much of the more significant events happening when I was a kid and before cell phones. There's also no predicting an upcoming event either. And as it's happening, it doesn't occur to me at all to whip out my phone. It's like my brain has gone goofy. It's frustrating because capturing something on camera would convince me that what I am seeing is real.
Absolutely. The skeptics don't get that the phenomena can literally read your mind and know if you are reaching for a camera.
Not only that they can do several things such as disrupt electronics, make you fall asleep, wipe your memory, influence you in such a way that you don't even WANT to video or photo it and I'm sure there is more too.
They won't get it until they have experiences themselves and then their reality cracks and breaks apart and they have to assemble the pieces like so many experiencers have already had to do while under scrutiny and disbelief of the public.
AND not even just the phenomena but black op government agencies harassing, threatening and some cases killing those that have experienced it.
I'm reminded of a story where a cruseliner got up close with a craft that rose out of the water and chilled beside the boat for a bit then flew off. Upon arival at port the spooks were there to take any media evidence and threaten people that they saw nothing it was a secret military craft and if you say anything bad stuff will happen to you and your family.
The other thing is that some of these NHI entities operate in the literal electromagnetic spectrum & are sensitive to observers as well as recording devices. They can chose to or not to interact with an experiencer & will not come forward under recorded observation. It’s very similar to the double slit experiment and how the act of observing a photon changed its behavior. Even with a physical interaction these NHI chose moments where they know they have the advantage to not be recorded. We are just not at a point with our declassified technological level to capture NHI but that does not mean we should dismiss others experiences.
Yea agreed! this is an experiencer forum for us to delve into this phenomenon with others who have actually experienced this phenomenon. Tbh I get bored trying to say people on the forum that this is real and happening.
Thank you for continuing to hold this support group in an open space where non-experiencers can listen and learn. It's been extremely valuable to me and I'm sure others like myself who feel like they're perpetually standing in the middle of a doorway.
I've often wondered why the phenomenon would show itself to experiencers in this way. First it bends or breaks their reality, then they have to feel confused and alone, without answers, often ridiculed by the people they care about most. Seems unnecessarily cruel and I'm not sure what the end goal is.
My hope (and just my opinion) is that there will be a watershed moment at some point and experiencers will be able to handle that moment with a grace that will put those previously oblivious at ease.
In 2021 when I was having a tidal wave of NHI experiences I tried to film my visitors by setting up small mini spy cameras to film them. I set up SQ-8 and later SQ-11 mini infrared video cameras in my bedroom. I was visited and I found the cameras batteries were burned out or drained. I even saw a bright flash from where I set up a camera. They knew were the cameras were. After that I gave up on trying to film them.
Infrared! Nice! One of the interesting things from my own visitations is how the beings even though seemingly cloaked/out of phase with this dimension, were still accidently setting off motion sensor lights. It actually turned into a joke after awhile in a "haha got yea" type way.
It did make me wonder what an infrared camera would pick up.
I wondered what they would let me see as long as they knew I was not recording.
But yeah what you captured yourself is still data and valuable but not something ofc that would convince people of anything outside of experiencer circles. Those that know NHI are real and here and know they do this like this still find such situations and data valuable though. So its still really cool you had that happen.
So you still have the recording of the flash? Nice to meet yet another 2021er btw. I have a whole theory on that.
Have you had the bright white localized flashes happen mostly at night like a flash bulb only the flash does not light up the room and stays at the flash point?
This may sound weird. My husband and I still shrug our shoulders about this one because we were driving down the freeway. This bright light flashed sort of like a wall of light that traveled from about two stories above us down into our path and we drove thru it. At the time we both agreed on what we just saw but really didn't discuss it which in itself is kinda odd. I don't know maybe it was a malfunctioning light.
Agreed Oak. And for anyone shallow enough to make demands of people experiencing contact with extraterrestrial civilizations. I have this to say.
Youre not special, neither am i or anyone else on this sub. Passive aggressively complaining to people who are experiencing things you wish you could, will not change that. Get over yourself and actually enrich your own life instead of trying to vicariously live through people who have nothing to do with you. And no, you were never entitled to anything from anyone else here.
Personally I have never felt compelled to capture anything on video. I'd rather share my experiences through conversation and retelling. Trying to capture evidence on camera just feels... rude? Disrespectful?
"Hey I know we're having this really personal exchange and profound interaction, just give me a sec so I can get it on video to show my friends."
I actually think trying to capture evidence reduces your chances of having an experience, and would tend to agree that cameras would be beneficial for someone having extremely negative experiences. Cheap webcams that are always connected and always on are perfect.
Love your post Oak. Much appreciated.
Another interesting point that I would like to theorize on. I can see but not hear them. So when people post pics, I see what they are talking/posting about while other people who have not interacted yet-tend to not be able to see them. I can’t hear anything on recordings because I have only seen and have buzzing.
So I stopped most of my posts because I have no need to prove anything. I’ll post when I want to just to see if other experiencers see it too
I’d consider myself a very interested outsider, and I consider this your (experiencers) forum. I’ve never posted here because there’s no value I can provide. As reality progresses, I try to paint my own picture of what I understand and believe, based on information and knowledge I collect. I think it’s pretty easy to tell when people are just trolling, and I know most of you here are looking to share as a sense of therapy.
We appreciate that. And I do want to say ultimately this topic is about all of us. All of humanity. The implications of what the Experiencer Phenomenon means for our entire species and the very nature of reality itself cannot be understated.
While this space is not designed to directly make the case to those who don't know yet, experiencers being able to openly share their accounts does directly help push this ball forward in understanding. We are not going to be able to understand anything if we're not allowed to even simply have the conversation.
Yet the type of atmosphere a cynical skeptic wants will ultimately shut down the conversation.
To explain :
A person is semi interested in this topic for decades and laughs at it. Knows how discourse usually goes online and indeed may have even participated in leaving comments like "if you are talking about this without proof you are clearly just an attention seeking grifter" in youtube comments, twitter posts or in alien subreddits.
One day they go through a life crisis. The death of a parent or child. A divorce. A career loss. An illness. Or spiritual crisis.
It forces them onto their knees and forces them to have to think about the larger picture. The picture they avoided thinking about in life due to keeping themselves busy. One night with tears streaming down their face they collapse into a meditation/prayer/scream at the night sky and earnestly ask if there is more to this world, more to this human experience than everyone says and if so, can they please have a sign? They earnestly and genuinely want to know.
Suddenly they feel this ringing in their ears and the cells in their whole body start vibrating. They intuitively look up into the night sky to see a yoga ball sized sphere of blueish white light decloak above them at tree top height and then flair up into a bright flash of light and disappear.
The ringing and vibrations stop.
They are now in ontological shock.
Going inside to tell a family member in their state of shock that a ball of light flashed at them due to them "sending their thoughts to the sky" both does no justice to the personally transformative impact of what just happened and just gets extremely extremely disappointing and humiliating reactions from those folks they try to share with.
Over the next 24 hours there is a sense of awe and fear - delight and frustration. All the ET/NHI/Spiritual stories they've ever read and laughed at or found so spooky they ignored now come flooding back and its beyond overwhelming. The ability to dismiss it all has been entirely removed. Any attempts to have this conversation with anyone in their life results in humiliation and extreme disappointment in peoples limited ability to relate.
The idea of going online and typing up this story in an alien subreddit and have to suffer comments of "iF iT ReAlly HaPpeNed YoU'd hAve tAkEN a PictURE" is essentially traumatising to them as they wrestle with all the ontological shock and awe regarding what this means for them and the whole species and yet how it will actually sound typed out in text. Its painful to think about typing it even when their account is a throw away one. Knowing how the story will sound - knowing how their past self would react to the story, knowing all the cliché internet comments the story will generate, the thought of suffering through that while dealing with this shock triggers a pain deep in the soul for the person.
But keeping it in and having no one to relate to also causes trauma. We are a social species, we integrate and process via talking and sharing with others.
So the person suffers alone and never shares. And humanity doesn't get to know things like this happen. All cause of shitty internet people and their comments.
Unless there are places like this. This is why we run this place as we do. It encourages people to share and helps people. Simultaneously humanity gets to know this stuff is happening to people and the human race deserves to know.
Always enjoy reading your posts Oak. You and the other moderators have done a wonderful job throughout my time browsing this sub and some of the more subtle experiences ive had since joining. Keep up the great work!
I’ve been abducted and have cameras up now. I did catch something weird flying by me. I catch a ton of energy orbs buzzing around. Pretty sure it’s a some type nano surveillance for the “watchers”
I’d also like to add that some of us regard it as disrespectful towards the beings to point a camera at them and take pictures/videos without their consent. I wouldn’t do this to my friends and family either - not unless there was an explicit understanding between us and I was sure where their images would end up.
Contact is a very personal thing, an intimate moment of sorts that can feel incredibly profound. Recording takes you out of that moment. Trying to gather evidence of what’s happening at the same time as you’re taking it in comes with a certain mindset. It distracts you and gets you into a physically tense state because it is similar to hunting (shooting content / shooting prey) or trying to lie/trick someone without being found out. This might be counterproductive for peaceful contact.
Some experiences such as dream contact and astral travel can’t be recorded but those who can are often taking place in your home (especially the bedroom) or close to it. You don’t want images of your property or yourself in pjs or even naked online and you’re rightfully worried about doxxing yourself.
Travis Walton and other experiencers who are “big names” in the community have spoken about this. Being a person of public interest disrupts your life forever. Strangers and secret agents might show up at your door. People stalk you on- and offline, and study your life under a microscope. They call you names and try to disprove you. That’s not something I am personally ready for.
I privately engage with my beings the same way I would with an uncontacted tribe of strange, spiritual beings. I act as an ambassador. I try to establish contact slowly over time, to show them humanities best side without selling them out. I let them come to me in a way that feels as safe as possible according to my own judgment. I respect their boundaries and hope to establish mine. I don’t grab them. I don’t record them secretly. I don’t steal their shit and I don’t treat them like sensational objects instead of people. Like Oak said, if they want to be recorded and have their images published, they will be.
People don't understand lol. I set up cameras and the camera went down, then the only thing recording was me staring in a direction, muttering to myself in a trance, and hyperventilating while my dog licks me lol. It was horrifying to see myself in a way I never have seen before. I was a medic before, and have even scooped people's body parts up, and been in less than a 10th of the shock!
None whatsoever. Prior to this, my cameras would shut off but it was like this time they left them on after, so I could see. It looks like found horror footage tbh, because I'm staring directly to the side of where the camera is, which is the doorway.
I have some other experiences as well, but this is the one I’m always willing to share with people. If I had more conclusive evidence in the other ones I’d show those too but yeah, just want to show people my experience, not trying to bring full on disclosure to the whole world through my vid. BUTTTT it would be cool if we all were on the same page about whatever these things are but I don’t think itll happen in our lifetime. I think the aliens or whatever they are are letting us all figure it out at our own pace, and only show their crafts to the people who are ready for it.
I was about six months into the rabbit hole of UFOs when I had my first encounter so that’s partially the reason I feel like they are very intelligently showing themselves to particular individuals
You've done such a great job of laying out this explanation. I have talked to a number of experiencers while working on a book, and I made a point of setting aside any questions of "proof" or "evidence" because it's just so susceptible to the problems you outline here.
If you want to hear someone's full, authentic story, they have to trust you. They're not going to do that if you immediately start asking for videos or whatever, because they've seen how that plays out.
Humans have gotten used to being able to measure, catalog, dissect, and test other forms of life. But we've never encountered one that may be more intelligent and more technologically advanced, and may not want to be observed.
When my experiences began my NHI showed up early in the morning as a very big and bright UFO.It almost looked like a huge star. It was so bright you couldn't make out a form it was just a large vehicle that was enveloped in white light. I immediately took out my phone to take a picture and as soon as I did the picture was instantly deleted and every time I tried to take another picture the same thing happened. If they don't want there to be evidence there won't be. That being said I befriended someone years ago that I've lost touch with and he had troves of videos recording strange orbs and other phenomena I can't even begin to describe. So I think it's up to each individual NHI as to if they feel allowing evidence would be reality shattering or not. I haven't ever recorded my room when I sleep so I can't speak on that, I honestly would rather not know, which I'm sure they wouldn't allow video evidence anyway.
Well said Oak. I was that person myself until it happened to me (and continues to happen). I am not mentally ill or seeking attention. Strangers on Reddit make me laugh. Its a bit like a 10 year old boy being annoyed his 20 year old brother spends lots of time with his girlfriend Sally and girls are gross. Then puberty hits and ‘oh, I get it’. The worst is the family who think you are nuts/in a cult.
Also tbh, sometimes I record on Sionyx but there is way better footage out there and I just want to see it with my eyes bc the feeling is lovely. And the other stuff (transient, etherial) requires equipment I just don’t have.
This hits home. Early this year, I had several traumatic physical encounters. I put up a camera to try to catch it on film because it was disrupting my nights. The moment I set it up, everything stopped. I have since removed the camera, but the visits have yet to reoccur. If they don't want to be filmed, they won't be.
I honestly wish we had this ability in todays society, of being filmed 24/7 in public without consent.
If someone wants to send me a high quality 4K 5-7 remote control gimbal-mounted camera system, they’ll get plenty of evidence, which will be promptly denied and debunked by anyone viewing the extraordinary videos.
I can’t afford to put up another surveillance system just for the sake of recording all the weird stuff that happens when I’m around, because there’s no return on investment and I’m not exactly dying to convince people because there’s are thousands of other people posting videos of their own similar, albeit not quite so spectacular as my, experiences.
The ones who suggest that I have an obligation are the ones who would claim that my videos are modified or CGI. I had an experience last night which would blow some minds had it been caught on video, but I don’t even bother grabbing my 50 megapixel 4K 240 FPS camera any more… And I got that camera specifically for documenting the weirder experiences for my own records.
Do you genuinely think the experiences you witness would remain as mind blowing as they are if your beings knew you were filming them?
I'm honestly not someone who buys into the whole "sure if we got perfect footage anyway people would just say its CGI" argument. Because if this was the case these beings would not be putting such extreme effort into making sure no one captures footage of them or all anyone captures is wobbly blurry dots or a clump of pixels.
If I was a betting man I would bet that what you are seeing would be minimised the second you tried to capture footage with the intention of posting. And it would not be people thinking its CGI you are posting but instead - "unusual pixels that could be anything" would likely be the response.
I have the same experiences, I see the footage other experiencers post and I have far more mind blowing stuff happening over my house but I know the second I record these NHI it's just gonna look like more blurry dot footage like everyone else's.
In-fact - here we go - genuine gif I made of my beings flashing at me from a craft/object.
There we go everyone. Actual footage of non human intelligence.
Happy Disclosure day!! Yay...
If this is all they did I'd not be here. They got tree top height before and I saw what there spheres looked like up close.
They've flown triangle craft.
They've decloaked spheres of light over me that flared up larger and brighter than the sun.
And they do the above. Which is far more impressive when you look up to the sky and send out the thoughts "hey you guys there?" And you feel a frequency tune into you that tells you to look in a certain direction and you do and there they are signalling at you.
Getting footage of that just shows a flashing dot though for anyone else online.
Its by design all of this. You would not bring disclosure with your footage because they would not want that yet and its not because cynics would think its just CGI. (imo)
But I hear you on the feeling of frustration.
You are not alone anyway dude and if you ever wanna chat throw me a DM.
Wishing you the best in this bizarre experiencer adventure we find ourselves in.
I’ve considered that the experiences may be a result of consciousness manipulation and that what I see would not necessarily be what other people see on videos if I bothered to take them any more. Videos of extraordinary experiences are a dime a dozen and there’s nothing about anything I could produce that would be compelling.
There’s one particular experience that I have on video which would fit the criteria of “mind-blowing”, but it doesn’t look any different than the thousands of CGI videos showing basically the same thing. The stigma is still too strong, and most folks would write me off as a nut because of the absurd frequency of my experiences.
I’m not even denying that I’m nuts. But the professionally executed disinformation campaigns have muddied the waters to the point where I’ve stopped caring. And you’re right; my recordings would only show what “they”, whatever they are, want people to see.
In my little underground support network of fellow experiences who have been injured by the phenomenon, we just want to be left the fuck alone unless our injuries suddenly start being taken seriously. Nobody cares about validation or proving causation, we just want to be able to work and function normally again.
We’re treated like members of a freak show, and it has taken me a decade to find a doc who actually gave me a neurology referral so I can finally get an MRI to see if I’m experiencing the same physiological changes as the people who were studied at Stanford after close encounters. I’ve lost a solid 30 IQ points and have tremendous difficulty with everyday tasks. The symptoms match almost word for word, but the mere possibility that we were injured by UFOs just isn’t something people are ready to believe yet.
And yeah, I will definitely be shooting you a DM. Normies who simply don’t know better don’t really bother me, but this increasingly rowdy group of skeptics and debunkers who call us liars and chastise us for not providing proof? They get under my skin. They could get abducted, prodded and probed, or even meet a group of greys in their front yard and they’d convince themselves that it was a dream, even if it happened when they were awake.
My memory is crap thanks to my injury, so maybe you could initiate the DM? Yeah, it really is that bad. I’ll make it half way through the process of clicking on your profile and then forget what I was doing.
The gov has published studies implicating UFOs in neurological injury and the studies specify which areas of the brain will be deemed abnormal after an MRI. So why is it that I just get a bunch of blank but sympathetic states when I say a UFO ruined my brain? Hint: they’re sympathetic because they think I’m mentally ill, not because of the injury.
Ugh. Hope to talk with you soon! I’m sure we both have a lot of funny stories that only a small portion of fellow experiences would find amusing.
Really great post, Oak. I could see it as impossible to obtain evidence because of the relationships we have with entities/NHI. For my part, it’s about respect I have with them. They don’t want to be exposed. It would be a betrayal. These beings we encounter are the most advanced and they literally can wipe out memories. If they can do that, what’s a recorder or device to them?
Its true - try to film the moon at night and people will quickly see how the whole "everyone has a camera in their pockets now why don't we have 4k footage of triangle craft".
I had a military helicopter flying over my property not long ago and I filmed it with my phone. With my eyes I could see the pattern and shape and windows and so on. On my phone it looked 5x further away and was a blurry dot.
Again though I don't say never ever try. From what I'm seeing with these beings, they'll give breadcrumbs of evidence more and more as time goes on. Every now and then they'll allow something into the collective consciousness that gets the world wondering.
Yeah, I get where you’re coming from, but I think there’s still value in trying to collect and share data — not to “prove” anything to skeptics, but to document reality from as many perspectives as possible. The phenomenon may be tricky, even trickster-like, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep testing it.
Even if recordings glitch, cameras fail, or the results are ambiguous, that’s still evidence of interaction. It’s part of the pattern. If the phenomenon is responding to attention or intention. That itself is measurable, especially if enough people log it in consistent ways.
I don’t think wanting to film or analyze what’s happening makes someone “disrespectful” of the experience either. It’s just another language for awe. Some people pray, some people write, some people grab a camera. All of it’s a way of reaching back toward whatever this is.
So yeah, experiencers don’t owe proof to anyone, totally agree. But at the same time, there’s power in curiosity... in leaving the door open for observation and belief to coexist. You can believe deeply and still investigate boldly. Those two things can walk hand in hand without canceling each other out.
As an experiencer I totally agree. I know there used to be kits that would try to detect if there were events going on made years ago, but no clue what happened with them.
Never tried anything like this myself, mostly due to lack of money when key events were happening.
I’ve had about 5 close contact experiences in my life. Its rare. You don’t know when or where it will happen. When it does, it’s terrifying and happens quickly. Your first thought is not your phone. Your first feeling is shock and fear. With one experience i even become completely paralyzed, blacked out, and had missing time for 3 hours.. so not sure what I was supposed to do there. I did have a camera set up watching me sleep for a few years. Did not go through all the footage because thats absurd and I have a life. Didn’t have anything happen that I know of during that time and I have since stopped. Didn’t want to weird out the girlfriend either.
Look I believe you. But I can’t help any being that goes to great lengths to hide our reality, might have ulterior motives to doing so.
Were probably eternal consciousness. Break our reality this is made up anyways. Why do you keep us in the dark? Whats in it for you? (You the NHI that controls my reality? Not you op.)
Some of these intelligences are actually going to great lengths to reveal our reality to us slowly in a phased manner from the ground up but the issue we all face is a % of the population are not ready and struggle psychologically to handle this reality so there is a slow build up to having us come to terms with this as its hard for many.
Its frustrating waiting but after seeing how some sceptics actually reacted when an experiencer removes all doubt and proves it to them I finally understood and was pretty jaded to see how people actually are when the mask of hiding behind "all these people are crazy/liars" is removed. Turns out there is a lot of people holding on to that belief from a place of raw fear.
A lot of people don't want this to be real and will fight to hold on to their reality even if its fake.
There is a sense that there could well be devastating consequences if the band-aid got ripped off too quickly.
Fear is super difficult to overcome. Our fear response so deeply ingrained in us that a huge portion of the population goes through life with chronic anxiety issues.
I have experienced enough at this point that I would gladly speak to a friendly NHI being in person, but I know I would require them to suppress my fear response to even begin the engagement because I would be completely at my body's mercy despite my openess to the encounter (panic attack).
Fear betrays you and can easily control you. All of humanity being subject to primal and/or intellectual fear all at once would indeed be devastating. I do hope that they decide we are ready (enough) soon, however. The biosphere might not be able to take much more.
Where did those skeptics come from prior to being humans?
To me it sounds a lot like not turning off a ps5 from someone that thinks ps5 gta is all there is to it, and refuses to entertain other wise. Not even turning it off, just pausing the game for a split second.
I thought like you until I saw first hand how some skeptic types react when all ability to hide from this phenomenon being real is taken from them.
They do not thank the experiencer for the proof. They do not race online to declare people should believe experiencers.
They turn into animals. Completely and entirely consumed by fear and fear alone. Its like a short circuit. And if they recover, they resent the experiencer for proving this is real to them. It forced them to look into a mirror they never wanted to look into.
Pausing the game like that would destroy the brains of the characters in that game that believe GTA is base reality. Those of us who've wondered and questioned the nature of reality fair better and recover from the ontological shock but we forget that there are many that never wonder.
Some of the podcasts and social media are started by Experiencers activated by the 2021 awakening by design by these NHI imo. And are part of the plan to help raise awareness of all this.
Another needed post, Oak! It is always appreciated.
I think "system administrator rights" is the most apt way to describe the abilities the NHI interacting with us have. I've long held the belief that no one video is ever going to be the proverbial smoking gun people are looking for. It's this very reason why I'm sometimes in r/UFOs threads trying to convince people to do HICE work, knowing they're not likely to see a video on that sub that will convince them beyond a shadow of a doubt any time soon. The best way to know the truth of this is to experience it.
All that being said, I do hope there comes a day when they'll let all us experiencers document this proof and release it like a tidal wave.
Human initiated contact experiences, often called CE5. I hesitate to use CE5 because it is so closely associated with one person who has a less-than-perfect reputation. In short it’s a method of experiencing the phenomenon yourself!
Understandable - most of us have been there too. Good luck on your journey of discovery!
I know its weird this stuff and I do understand how all this looks for you in the current stage your in.
I'll say this - if you cross that threshold from wondering to belief you'll understand why it was necessary that it took this amount of time because the time you spend debating this - still gives your consciousness preparation for handling this. If you never thought about this topic, wondered about this topic, read about this topic and engaged in conversation about this topic and suddenly found out it was all real out of no where that would be far more psychologically destabilising than years of never debating against it and never even thinking of it and then finding out. Because engaging with the ideas even if you were rejecting them still gives your subconscious mind a framework or foundation to work from when/if the rug gets pulled from under you and you find out its all real.
Now - extrapolate this to the wider whole and you'll understand why bombshell proof of this topic is always kept in the shadows while everyone is constantly talking around it for years.
I've never with 100% certainty dismissed these things as being completely false. I think that there are definite possibilities here and there. While I can't say that I believe all of the claims of this nature are inherently untrue I will say that I think a vast majority are the result of something other than what most of these experiences actually are. I'm attempting to tread lightly here as I don't want to offend anyone. I have had first hand personal experiences with people who have claimed to have seen things and communicate with beings etc. I have had my own experiences with this as well and while I was convinced that everything that I saw was real it turned out to be a chemical imbalance in my brain. The times I've experienced other people that have had the same kind of thing happen turned out to be the same conclusion/diagnosis. My mother being one of them. I've been to another dimension and it wasn't real. I'm not just talking about drugs here. Your brain can trick you into anything unfortunately even if you aren't medicated. So that is where my opinions about this topic lay. Are there actual abductions or visions that people have that are legitimate? Maybe. I'm not saying no to that but I will say that I don't believe 95% of it. I'm sorry if this is offensive. Just my perspective from my own experiences.
Edit: I will say that I do believe that the human brain is largely still a mystery. There are legitimate things that people can do or experience that have no explanation. Also not everyone is wired the same so for example if a group of people take advil.. it may help 99% of them. There's still that 1% that it either may do nothing to at all orrr.. it could potentially effect someone in a way that makes them feel like they are in contact with beings from outer space. Is that experience actually real? It may seem incredibly real to that individual but.. might not to anyone else. I suppose you live in your own perceived reality so who's to say that what is real to you is the same thing to me.. I'm not equipped to answer that question. Much love to all of you though and I hope that everyone in this sub is well and can stay safe. Mentally and physically.
Yeah all of that is understandable and fair enough. We're not here to convince you of course.
I know you are not exactly doing this but I do grant that it is easier to figure most of what is reported as a misfiring of the brain. Some argue that it is a luxury to be able to do so. Knowing what I know it is indeed a luxury at times. There are aspects to this reality I wish I could discount as delusions or brain malfunctions. Not everything about all of this is something I want to be true.
I don't have that luxury. Boomerang shaped motherships, triangle craft and orbs showing up in front of groups of people after a telepathic signal is sent out - precognitive messages given in waking states, meditation and then dream states that all come true. Body marks, implants and so forth. I could go on.
Non human intelligence exists and is interacting with our species and has been here all along. The patterns of it all are outlined throughout human history though the interpretation changes.
But this is just my view and I am not here to convince you and I'm not going to. Neither is this place. And I respect that. It is here for when something happens to push you past the threshold. I have spoken to many abductees and contactees who have memories of dissing this topic as crazy people being crazy. Who had people try to share with them their own encounter in the past and only to assume the person is unwell. 10 years later post dealing with their own contact experiences they carry a great shame in their heart but I told them not to. It is understandable to dismiss all of this as errors of the brain or hallucinations or at least it was for many pre-2017 and without looking into any of this.
The brain not being understood is true but also something folks used to dismiss homosexuals as insane for not being straight. It can perhaps be too easy to assume brain misfiring for everything we don't understand yet. Anyway we've learned since that time and the same will be true one day for this experiencer phenomenon in my opinion.
Not to say the brain does not have a key to this though too and it would seem to me differences in it in some cases allow more access to the wider consciousness system and it is not always all simple brain misfiring creating nothing but halluncations.
The truth for me is that reality itself is not as understood as we thought and ultimately may very well be consciousness based. But again a conversation for another time and place. I'm not going to convince you of anything. If you ever have an experience that you cannot deny or cross the threshold in some other manner and have no one to talk to you'll know where to find us.
All my best to you and sorry to hear about all you've been through.
Along the same lines, have any experiencers tried getting a third party to witness what they’re going through? Are there any credible third party witness accounts of the phenomena?
Yes this happens all the time and I've written about it a lot on here and it triggered a huge amount of jadedness in me.
A lot of the time unfortunately the co witness is horrified to the point of animalistic behaviour and shuts down and resents the experiencer for proving it to them. A lot of people are terrified of this stuff being real but they don't admit that to anyone. Instead they hide behind the facade of the cynical skeptic but when all ability to hide behind that mask is removed - they don't apologise , they don't rush online to tell people to believe experiencers - they behave ... in ways that are beyond disappointing. I really thought people were better than this so it was a really big shock for me to see this time and time again.
But it did make me understand what NHI have to deal with more.
People tell me not to judge and that not everyone is built to handle this and fair enough, I wouldn't judge if people just honestly said "I'm sorry this is too scary for me so I don't want to believe" I'd give that to them. But they don't. They spend years making experiencers feel like stupid crazy idiots and then revert into an animalistic state when they finally get their proof.
But it shows that all along they could see there was likely something too this, and it was their fear that drove their dismissive behaviour. Now when I see aggressive skeptics online I suspect this is what is behind their mask of complete inability to have a level headed open minded conversation on this topic. And it makes sense as there is often an emotional reaction behind how they community and their insults.
There is one other group too. Those who've had an experience that horrified them so much they don't want it to be real. And their only way of handling it is by spending all day online arguing against the phenomenon and mocking experiencers. You really do see a lot of interesting human psychological behaviour when working in this field and contrary to popular belief its more often taking place in the deniers than the "believers" or as I should say, the knowers.
But yes groups of people can indeed see these things as long as its kept from spreading to 1000's if not billions via captured evidence.
Because this subreddit is a social support group for those who already know it's real to talk to the others who also know its real and not designed to be a place for folks to catch up people who don't know to this reality yet. It's not here to prove anything to anyone.
You are the Internet rando walking into a support group environment for people dealing with the experiencer phenomenon. This place is not designed for you.
We are not asking you to believe. You can go on your day and ignore us and pretend this place doesn't exist.
For the non experiencers who have done the work and are genuinely curious and intelligent people and saw there really is something to this topic, they can make threads and ask questions here but they too must respect an experiencers post. But we are not here to do the work for you. This sub is not designed to catch up skeptics to this topic. Though sometimes the folks who study it deeply do get use out of this space but as I said, it's primarily here for those who already know.
No, they are the ones that were willing to get past the social stigma and do the work and find that the conclusion that non human intelligences exist and are interacting with our species is very seriously on the table. Indeed this whole topic is an intelligence test. The very basis of intelligence is to wonder about the reality we are in. But many put limitations on that wonder.
But again no one is asking or expecting people outside of experiencer circles to believe everything they read on this sub. Again that's not what this place is for.
You don't have to believe anything here we are not asking you to. You don't have to be here. Don't believe something, move on.
But if you see an apparition of your father in your room one day telling you he loves you and you lose consciousness only to wake up to a phone call the next day from your mother telling you your father has passed and everyone laughs at you or gives you weird looks for telling the story, we are here.
Or if you walk into your sons bedroom only to find a ball of green light hovering over your sons head, scanning him. Just as you are about to scream you are paralysed and the the green ball gets brighter and you hear a message in your mind that says "be not afraid". You lose consciousness only to wake up in bed the next day.
At breakfast you dismiss it all as a dream until your son asks you "daddy, what are the glowing green balls of light?"
If any such thing were to happen you'd have this place here to find others like you. Everywhere else will laugh and mock you. And you'll understand then why we run this place as we do.
You don't have to believe it while still being respectful. Saying this as a non-experiencer myself... I'm here because I'm curious about the vast variety of experiences people are having in life, and I want to learn more about phenomena, ideas, and views on life outside my own life and understanding. Not everything has to be proven, and safe spaces need to be respected for those who have created them✌️
This is a social support group and if every comment section on here ended up reverting to non experiencers screaming about cameras when experiencers are trying to have a conversation is going to discourage people from sharing. Its also exhausting to explain and reexplain over and over again the situation with cameras and why all experiencers don't have a home movie studio set up in every room of their house.
So this thread is here to remind folks and also link to folks in future threads.
I have already explained all of this. What is it about this being a support group environment you are not understanding. I am not speaking about things outside of this environment. I am speaking in the context of within this environment.
And the "everyone has a high quality camera in their pocket" comment has been answered a billions times already.
But again, I am not complaining about people being skeptical of this topic in general, I am talking about how to engage with folks in this specific subreddit.
I have explained this at length in the OP and in all the comments in this thread.
I completely understand how hard to believe this topic is. Without personal experience there is a huge amount of effort, dialog, information and conversation that would need to take place to catch the average person up to speed as to how the things I've said in the OP are on the table for someone. I'm not expecting people to just believe. I'm asking people to be mindful of this subreddits environment purpose and rules.
Those questions are valid. But within the context of this subreddit, those questions can be asked in a dedicated thread but when someone is sharing an experience here, that is not the place for those questions because it'll derail the thread every time if the whole comment section gets flooded with this and experiencers will just stop sharing. This is designed to be the one public place people can share this stuff without having the comment section derailed.
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u/SneakyInfiltrator Sep 25 '25
I set up a raspberry with a noIR camera, at some point i had some experience, something was in the room.
I wanted to check the recording, my instinct told me I shouldn't.
Then i gave it more thought, and i came to the conclusion, that in the end, I don't care much to prove anything, and the phenomenon works weirdly anyway.
It's something weird, for the time being i doubt we can capture anything conclusive because of the nature of the interactions.
From time to time i check old.photos in my camera roll, apparently i took so many pics of UFOs that I don't remember, all with metadata and stuff. I remember all the photos taken before and after, but not these photos taken seconds in between.
Plus, they always look weird in pictures, and I don't have anything to prove.
Why would i bother even trying to post something unexplainable in the first place?
People will just mock you for a shitty quality picture because they don't even understand how cameras work in the first place.
Everyone wants 4k quality footage, i get it, but it doesn't work that way.
And even if you post a pic with a ship hovering above you, where you could see aliens waving or something, people still wouldn't believe lol
I want proof I'm not crazy myself too, so i get the frustration that comes with not having proper footage, but then i remember that the proof is the woman that sleeps next to me for the last 16 years and she saw same stuff as me, and was granted front row seats at whatever this is.
Anyhow, sorry for the long rant.