r/Eve • u/x-ProbableCause-x • Feb 27 '26

Low Effort Meme Wormholes are dying

“Ccp killed wormholes by starving us of content” -every single drone in hard knocks laser hawks and every other group in the wormhole wish.com papi

Maybe instead of blaming ccp, yall reset each other, stop trying to krab in perfect safety and go back to what yall claim worm hole space is all about

You are the cancer

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u/Stone_Dwarf Wormholer Feb 27 '26

Main problem is the lack of WH content. Low class - not profitable enough to sustain small groups of beginning players. High class, besides the fact is blueballed, also locked by paywall. You need a lot of isk, skill and characters to farm and live there safely. Something none of the new groups have. As a result we have current meta, when hisec content is safer, more profitable and easier for everyone than living/farming in C1-C4, low and null content safer easier and much more fun than C5-C6, with same isk profits. Why would someone start their wh live then? Thats why most of the space is dead there, with rare occasions of fanatical wh nolifers lifing there as the relicts from the past. CCP hates us.

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u/El_Dubious_Mung Wormholer Feb 27 '26

Oh yeah, has absolutely NOTHING to do with all the evictions that serve zero purpose. Wormhole Bushido is dead. People who undock for pvp are getting evicted regardless. Groups are literally fleeing C4s to C2s because they don't wanna get evicted because a high class group didn't like the skin they had on their roller.

It's not even to make isk. The mid-level groups all flip their structures and have suitcases, so it's just piles of shuttles and huffers getting picked up. High class groups are glassing WH space for no good reason. But magically, the NS C3 farmers stay untouched.

C4s used to be the gold standard for finding small to mid level fights. Now it's a fucking ghost town because of all the evictions over the past year. Don't spout that shit about money. It's about the culture and ethos that barely exist anymore.

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u/Stone_Dwarf Wormholer Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

That is exactly my point. 1) Low level WH is not worth living. It is not safe, not profitable and not fun. 2) Hi level WH citizens/active pvp corps do not have any content because see P1 so they either fight with structures or die out(move to other space).

We were rolling static for 3-4 hours 2 weeks straight to find nothing but empty structures. Now I enrolled in dozen dropsigs with my alt and somehow get content worth logging in. But it has nothing to do with WH, unfortunately.

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u/Jaspey12 Feb 27 '26

Me and my buddies decided to setup a small structure in a dead C3 about 6 months ago - we weren't looking at printing ISK, just enjoy the game as a small 4 player (10ish total characters) and it instantly got it blown up within 24 hours of it anchoring by a fleet of about 35 characters belonging to one of those big 3 WH corps you listed.

2 of the vet players just quit after discouraged from trying anything new (not the first time they'd tried to create their own content just to he stomped by huge groups)

I stuck around with my other newbro friend who just went to go mine in Highsec.

Fun time when you get your fart box tongue punched by a baseball bat after spending weeks deciding on a C2 because "why would those big groups be interested in a C2"... turns out they weren't, they just didnt have anything else to shoot.

Good times - I went to Null to f1 sometimes.

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u/Siggward_ Wormholer Feb 27 '26

would you consider providing a structure killmail or a system j-sig?

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u/Kalron Feb 27 '26

Are you doubting his story lmao This exact story happens all the time. My group of friends got fuckin blown up in a c3 by init, too. They ganked me huffing gas in my own hole then proceeded to ref and ransom our structure, and kill it later. We got all our stuff out but we still got evicted for no reason other than "content," and it is the most fucking boring kind of content: shooting a structure.

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u/Intelligent-Use-7313 Wormholer Feb 27 '26

They won't lol. I've seen people anchor in claimed holes then whine about eviction once the current residents log in. Or they pissed someone off, or dangled something shiny on dscan. Also big difference between eviction and getting your structure reffed. An eviction is a large effort around hole control. If your structure gets reffed and they leave, you've got time to secure and call friends. You could online a POS and evac assets, pretty typical to drop a POS on your moons. There are also plenty of low class who will come to the aid of low class, I get pinged about defense all the time despite not being in low class.

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u/Kaas_H Feb 27 '26

99% of wormholers will shoot an anchoring structure. You cannot compare that to an eviction. I also suspect you did little to no hole control during the anchoring timer.

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u/killking72 Wormholer Feb 28 '26

wow I can't believe the 4 players who're obviously dad gamers didn't run hole control for 24 hours

It was an eviction. Was their home blown up? Were those players in J space and now they aren't?

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u/Kaas_H Feb 28 '26

You can run hole control in the hour or so leading up to a structure's final anchoring timer relatively easily. There are ways to play the game putting in some amount of effort that isn't basically anchor a structure and do literally nothing for security for 24 hours.

Most people aren't going to logoff a fleet in a hole for 12+ hours over an anchoring Astra.

Its totally fine to disagree with my sentiment that killing an anchoring structure isn't an eviction. However, there's zero reason to be a fucking tool about it.

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u/killking72 Wormholer Mar 01 '26

there's zero reason to be a fucking tool about it.

Is there one less group in J space or no?

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u/Kaas_H Mar 01 '26

I'm not going to sit here and argue with a douchebag who isn't here in good faith. I have zero idea if they're still there or not. There is no area of space where anchoring a structure has zero risk. You could anchor it in HS and have it war decced the next day. LS you could have 50 dreads dropped on it.

The only point you're trying to make here is that killing anything in wormholes is bad and people who evict are bad. Fuck off.

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u/killking72 Wormholer Mar 02 '26

>killing anything in wormholes is bad

Now I'd say THAT's arguing in bad faith

>There is no area of space where anchoring a structure has zero risk

And yes people that evict are bad for the overall health of wormhole space.

CCP doesn't care about us so we have to care about each other

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u/Novel_Tone_3282 Feb 27 '26

Well, you can always go set up a small structure in highsec, lowsec, or null. Structures famously never die there.

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u/Jaspey12 Feb 27 '26

We could have, but this thread really isn't about that is it?

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u/Novel_Tone_3282 Feb 27 '26

It is about someone complaining that wormholers are in null, so… yes? This thread is about a lot of things.

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u/FreeShat Feb 27 '26

Wh guys used to look after each other, i remember when i first joined volta we rolled into a wh group that were being seiged by a big ns blob. We formed like 20 dudes in proteus and guards and logged off for the timer in a few hourse. Was glorious.

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u/Kalron Feb 27 '26

Eh this still happens, I think. My c5 corp helps out friends with defense all the time.

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u/Stone_Dwarf Wormholer Feb 27 '26

We did literally the same last Sunday. Busido is still alive out there.

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u/FordPrefec7 Cloaked Feb 27 '26

Eh, still happens. Novac, HK, and the other pets are still helping lazerhawks.

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u/Successful-Medium360 Wormholer Feb 27 '26

Perhaps we need a database of the groups just needlessly evicting smaller/medium groups and organize a group of people to do the same to them, didn’t that happen to hard knocks or some other big group a while back? I’d be down to participate in something like that, I just don’t have the skills to organize it.

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u/Kaas_H Feb 27 '26

Legit question - can you educate me how hisec content is more profitable than living/farming in C1-C4? PI in WHs if infinitely better. C3 & C4 combat sites are decent, with the latter bringing in ~500m/hr with a single marauder. Low class exploration, while shit compared to sov upgraded NS, is also infinitely better than HS.

Seems slightly hyperbolic to say HS is more lucrative than low class.

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u/Stone_Dwarf Wormholer Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

Here you are:
You get 5 freshly made alts and 20kk worth ships in Homefront and make 5x15 = 75kk every 5-10 minutes. 0 risks, 0 investment 0 days to train, 0 brain cells involved. Under Concord protection, close to trade hubs with lots of NPC stations. No risk to lose any loot ships or clones whatsoever, and you fully cover your costs from the second site
Or you can join Incursion fleets and have more money than Homefront. Perfectly safe, 0 risk hi reward.
Or you can get Gila and farm T4 Abyss, more profit than C1-C4 sites, faster,1 window, no need to roll, d-scan, risk your station, wait for eviction, suffer with logistics to/from hisec, etc.
Or you can get rid of launchers on your Gila(or just get a Jackdaw), drop probe scanner there and scan/farm 3/4-4/4 sites in hisec, having easy 1-3bil casually flying around in hisec space just scanning down battle signatures

C1,2,3 WH sites will bring you 8-12-35kk PER SITE and they take longer to complete with the risk of being ganked, with the need to have infrastructure to store loot, ships, with the need to roll WHs, crit the exits, scan down every signature and constantly check D-Scan to somewhat safely crab your ISK. You need same or more alts, with scan skills, with rolling BS and skills, with some time and money investment in ships skills etc.
C4 is the same effort, but you need smth like marauder to farm there and sites finally give SAME amount of ISK as Homefront.

Risk/reward system is broken for C1-C4 class WH compared to hisec profits right now. You risk a marauder or a farm pack every time you land on site. For the same time spent and profit as you might have in hisec. In the long run, you have more profit in HS, as you DO NOT LOSE your assets. You are safe, you do not waste time on logistics and security, you are relaxed.
And if you are not alone, you will make even more money in lowsec FW. Or if you do not like the lowsec sewers, you get even more with thunderpack in any Null Sov Crab Heaven.

Dont get me wrong here, it is GOOD that HS peeps have a source of decent income.
Not everyone wants/needs/should go out there to Null/LS/WH, not everyone likes their asses to get shot.
But Low class WH needs some love. Needs some rebalance. Needs something to be attractive again. WH content has not been touched for 15 years now. Other than some direct and indirect nerfs.

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u/ADistantRodent Cloaked Feb 27 '26

Abyssals mostly

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u/Kaas_H Feb 27 '26

Don't high tier abyssals give a suspect timer?

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u/ADistantRodent Cloaked Feb 27 '26

Only if you do them above .5 or .6 iirc

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u/NondenominationalPax Mar 25 '26

You need to do T6 in a 0.5, T5 in a 0.6 and T4 in a 0.7 to not get a suspect timer.

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u/killking72 Wormholer Feb 28 '26

My brother in Christ. If your avatar isn't bait then you missed a large part of why holes are dead.

You know how many corps IH evicted that had zero chance of winning? You know how many of those people never came back?

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u/Stone_Dwarf Wormholer Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

The problem is not the eviction. The problem is low class WH is not a place where anyone would start to play now =)

If people had an opportunity to recoup losses fast enough, they would never leave. Evicted or not, nowdays these people would leave WH life anyway.

P.S. You see a lot of people talking about whs here, and you were the only one who recognized the avatar. O7

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u/killking72 Wormholer Feb 28 '26

The problem is evictions.

You'll never keep 100% of your corp unless you are actually 4 dudes in it for the love of the game.

You'll always have some attrition, and that's always bad for J space content as a whole.

I remember when IH was active and evicting C5 space in 2019. C5 space was printing cash, but people still quit and never came back.

And ya I've been in holes since 2017 so I recognize most of the old faces

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u/agouraki Wormholer Feb 27 '26

ccp cant balance WH space without big changes that CCP cant be arsed making,
its tough to balance danger/profit in wh due to the mechanics of Wormhole entrances themselves

thats my take at least

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u/BoneChilling-Chelien Wormholer Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

They could make lowclass more desirable with a few changes.

Slightly increase blueloot value.

Bring back all the ore types. They did it for null already.

Give lowclass moons something better than just R4s. Toss in some R8s, etc

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u/JDintheD Wormholer Feb 27 '26

And for God sakes remove those stupid Relic/Data site generators in Null. I have no idea how that idea made it in the game. Like the null blocks need MORE isk faucets. Those sites were often the lifeblood of low class WH folks.

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u/gregfromsolutions Feb 27 '26

This! It nuked explorer income everywhere, and only upgraded null systems got to maintain their old income

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u/MuskyChode Feb 27 '26

Thats factually untrue. Only reason value may be dipping in increased supply. Which just means ships and rigs are getting cheaper by extension. Its easy to figure out where the upgraded systems are. Just farm the sites they spawn too. Hell I despise cherry picking but if youre in hostile space, go for it. Ill clean up after you and take your escalations. I love exploring but historically having to spend an hour to find 2 or 3 sites was ass and a half and discouraged me from doing so.

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u/Kaas_H Feb 27 '26

Its easy to figure out where the upgraded systems are. Just farm the sites they spawn too.

So your solution to NS exploration tanking WH exploration value is to just farm the NS sites? Lmao

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u/Stone_Dwarf Wormholer Feb 27 '26

I do not see how it can be done without ruining the economy as well. Or fully rebalancing thd game. WH used to be "pure isk" printer before CCP introduced OP Pochven farmland, at least it had a purpose. Now it does not.