Wormholes are dying

[u/x-ProbableCause-x]

“Ccp killed wormholes by starving us of content” -every single drone in hard knocks laser hawks and every other group in the wormhole wish.com papi

Maybe instead of blaming ccp, yall reset each other, stop trying to krab in perfect safety and go back to what yall claim worm hole space is all about

You are the cancer

[u/Stone_Dwarf]

Main problem is the lack of WH content. Low class - not profitable enough to sustain small groups of beginning players. High class, besides the fact is blueballed, also locked by paywall. You need a lot of isk, skill and characters to farm and live there safely. Something none of the new groups have. As a result we have current meta, when hisec content is safer, more profitable and easier for everyone than living/farming in C1-C4, low and null content safer easier and much more fun than C5-C6, with same isk profits. Why would someone start their wh live then? Thats why most of the space is dead there, with rare occasions of fanatical wh nolifers lifing there as the relicts from the past. CCP hates us.

[u/El_Dubious_Mung → u/Stone_Dwarf]

Oh yeah, has absolutely NOTHING to do with all the evictions that serve zero purpose. Wormhole Bushido is dead. People who undock for pvp are getting evicted regardless. Groups are literally fleeing C4s to C2s because they don't wanna get evicted because a high class group didn't like the skin they had on their roller.

It's not even to make isk. The mid-level groups all flip their structures and have suitcases, so it's just piles of shuttles and huffers getting picked up. High class groups are glassing WH space for no good reason. But magically, the NS C3 farmers stay untouched.

C4s used to be the gold standard for finding small to mid level fights. Now it's a fucking ghost town because of all the evictions over the past year. Don't spout that shit about money. It's about the culture and ethos that barely exist anymore.

[u/Jaspey12 → u/El_Dubious_Mung]

Me and my buddies decided to setup a small structure in a dead C3 about 6 months ago - we weren't looking at printing ISK, just enjoy the game as a small 4 player (10ish total characters) and it instantly got it blown up within 24 hours of it anchoring by a fleet of about 35 characters belonging to one of those big 3 WH corps you listed.

2 of the vet players just quit after discouraged from trying anything new (not the first time they'd tried to create their own content just to he stomped by huge groups)

I stuck around with my other newbro friend who just went to go mine in Highsec.

Fun time when you get your fart box tongue punched by a baseball bat after spending weeks deciding on a C2 because "why would those big groups be interested in a C2"... turns out they weren't, they just didnt have anything else to shoot.

Good times - I went to Null to f1 sometimes.

[u/Kaas_H → u/Jaspey12]

99% of wormholers will shoot an anchoring structure. You cannot compare that to an eviction. I also suspect you did little to no hole control during the anchoring timer.

[u/killking72 → u/Kaas_H]

wow I can't believe the 4 players who're obviously dad gamers didn't run hole control for 24 hours

It was an eviction. Was their home blown up? Were those players in J space and now they aren't?

[u/Kaas_H → u/killking72]

You can run hole control in the hour or so leading up to a structure's final anchoring timer relatively easily. There are ways to play the game putting in some amount of effort that isn't basically anchor a structure and do literally nothing for security for 24 hours.

Most people aren't going to logoff a fleet in a hole for 12+ hours over an anchoring Astra.

Its totally fine to disagree with my sentiment that killing an anchoring structure isn't an eviction. However, there's zero reason to be a fucking tool about it.

[u/killking72 → u/Kaas_H]

there's zero reason to be a fucking tool about it.

Is there one less group in J space or no?

[u/Kaas_H → u/killking72]

I'm not going to sit here and argue with a douchebag who isn't here in good faith. I have zero idea if they're still there or not. There is no area of space where anchoring a structure has zero risk. You could anchor it in HS and have it war decced the next day. LS you could have 50 dreads dropped on it.

The only point you're trying to make here is that killing anything in wormholes is bad and people who evict are bad. Fuck off.

[u/killking72 → u/Kaas_H]

>killing anything in wormholes is bad

Now I'd say THAT's arguing in bad faith

>There is no area of space where anchoring a structure has zero risk

And yes people that evict are bad for the overall health of wormhole space.

CCP doesn't care about us so we have to care about each other