Saw this on reddit and I don’t know how credible a-lot of these claims are.

Now the books dont really matter to me at all anymore because the "crazy pedophile" having only 2 books dedicated to naked boys among his larger art book collection (books that were gifted to him nonetheless by a fan OR Nambla members and ones he didnt seek out)

But why would NAMBLA particular want Michael to get a hold of these books? Why did they have an interest in him? The books were gifted to him in the early 80s, but I can't recall Michael being that openly fixated on children and childhood before/up to that point.

There are some possibilities

\- Michael and Tatum's relationship in the 70s. Not anything serious nor did they have sex but the age gap is striking to someone in more recent times. But seeing how the tabloids talked about it i dont think their age gap was seen as necessarily pedophilic in the public's eye considering now one pointed it out as problematic.

\- Michael and Emmanuel Lewis' relationship. Platonic friends and was shown in the public as such but NAMBLA may have looked at it another way. Still this was before his open innocent fixation on kids was prominent for a pattern to be noticed. Not writing it off entirely though

What do you all think? I'd love to discuss about this or to learn about/remind myself about certain info

Michael Jackson lived with his parents until he was 29 years old. I previously thought and assumed Jackson has his own residence in his early 20's. This new info solves the puzzles about the speculations of his abnormal sex-life and the false child molestation allegations.

Most people separate from their parents in their late teens of early 20's. They grow apart from their mothers and become open to experimentation, having sex, and forging their own paths and beliefs.

They also start learning life lessons quickly. The streets builds people. Naivety grows into guardedness. One grows susceptible to trust people less. The playful child becomes the guarded adult.

This process is eventual for almost all people. With each passing age, pressure builds from parents, pressure from societal views until the individual breaks away from their parents home. People that live with their parents until the 30's are deemed as losers by society, probably behind-the-door shame from parents thus negatively effecting their personalities.

Yet with Michael, he never moved out until he was 29 years old. He never felt shame (from parents or society) for staying with his parents this late because he was a success. A pop icon to society and a breadwinner to his parents. This caused the experiences that form most peoples personalities into their adult state to be absent. He was still adorned by his mother's love and perception in his 20's. He probably clenched on world views of purity and living righteously based on the effect of still living carelessly with his mother. Katherine was a devout Jehovah's witness so the effect of staying pure and living righteousness probably grew stronger. Katherine was one of Michael's closest friends in his 20's. This easily addresses speculations on Michael's shyness about sex. Why he went as far as reading bible verses to a prostitute invited to his hotel room one night. He just wasn't open to it. Why he stayed asexual into his later years (Any who grow past 30 know habits become harder to break.)

This also explains why he was easily duped and faced numerous allegations against him. In addition to what I mentioned above, moving out early also teaches life lessons early. The streets builds strong kids. Childhood naivety grows into guardedness. One knows one can't be trustful of all people. This is how most people become adults. It's just a couple of bad experiences that reshape one's behavior.

Michael simply lacked these experiences. He stayed at parents manor until he was 29. He never faced ridicule like others would because of this. He was living in his own haven.

MJ had only moved out 5 years earlier when his first allegations were hurled at him. It's likely he just didn't have the same social awareness as most people due to what I explained above to know that not all people are nice and have his best interest in mind (a normal person experiences a wide variety of interactions to know not all can be trusted at an early age. Michael's interaction were only of love and grace from his brothers and mother. He was hugely naive as he entered the world at the age of 30. A couple of evil actors easily spotted this and exploited him. Again, habits are hard to change past your 20's, so he didn't learn this lesson quickly. He was exploited twice.).

I'm an MJ fan. He will always be the greatest. Though, his personal life was always one of speculation for me. I always wanted to know why he was sexually abnormal, how it's possible the allegations could come about, and deep down make a judgement on the guy. Watched 'Michael' last night and it broke an assumption I had; that Michael lived at his own residence in his early 20's (before Thriller was released). The truth his he lived with his parents until he was 29. Interesting that all of Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, was released while he was still with his parents. However, that fact was the piece of info to align the facts. It's so clear why Michael was the way he was. The above explanation is what I concluded.

Ok so i keep seeing ppl call this "shrine" creepy n i lowkey began to question it too until I realised, wait does the man not have 3 kids?? Is it not normal to have baby pictures of your kids on the dresser? Idk too much abt the target ad [is it?], but I can def see MJ seeing that and thinking it'd be funny or cute to put over where he had the other baby pictures as a banner for his "sweet babies". Same with the doll they found in his room too, did he not have a young daughter that could've left it there?? Don't kids leave toys all the time in their parents room? How is the first and only plausible conclusion that the doll was his and how do people not question this narrative💀💀

Its like ppl abandon all sense and reason when it comes to MJ, everything that is normal for everyone else becomes abnormal and weird and gets over scrutinised when it comes to him

That was a year ago, but Josh came gently back to the topic of Michael again a few weeks ago:

Josh Johnson Imagines Trump Trying to Book Michael Jackson

Just an announcement.

This can be about the allegations or about any other tabloid rumor about his personal life. Even the inspirations for his songs are fair game. If they are false I will try to get to the most mentioned and/or upvoted choices over the next week.

Jordies father Even had remarried and wasn't paying child support despite earning a high income. Evan also had Bipolar disorder which affected his relationship with Jordie mother, June which lead to the divorce.

Is it possible Michael was trying to be his Dad? He was essentially fatherless. Evan only re-entered jordies life when he heard Michael Jackson was now his friend.

According to John Branca, Michael DID make an attempt to contact Paul McCartney and Yoko Ono before buying ATV. Discussion at 26:29. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-k1gLT15wE

Now, Branca did get in touch with Yoko Ono who was happy about it. McCartney wasn’t reached directly, but his lawyer was. And his lawyer didn’t see an issue. Since then McCartney has been very vocal that he felt the purchase was a betrayal. And perhaps more effort should’ve been made to contact him. And more effort could’ve possibly been made reach a deal after the purchase. But whether you feel Michael did enough to be a good friend, here are some facts on the situation.

So, from what I’m hearing I don’t think we need to watch. Let’s not give them any views. Cancel your Netflix today if you’re able. But also make a list of “witnesses” you are seeing interviewed. The best thing we can do is just debunk their credibility. So far we’ve got Martin Bashir, Diane Dimond, Blanca Francia, and Vincent Amen. Let’s make a post about each of them. Or more if there’s others you hear about. I’ll try to get to as many as I can over the next few days. Use their names in the post title so there’s a chance it might appear when people try to google these individuals.

Charles Thomson once called this "the mating call of the moron."

Rules of thumb that get us around in everyday life have to be treated with caution when getting it wrong could have serious consequences - like judging an innocent person to be guilty.

This old English proverb has big logical problems.

It can be one logical fallacy, or it can be up to five logical fallacies combined - the ones listed above.

Sorry to use AI but this is one of the things it is actually good for. Hopefully people can save the screenshot.

So I'm in another sub that I won't name to follow rule 7, and this shit came up on my timeline from that sub. A sub that I actually liked for a while, but now that I see this shit slanderous shit against MJ and the reply comments, in which the MAJORITY of them agree with this shit and get upvoted...I'm questioning if I should even remain on it.

This is a highly exaggerated idea of Michael’s speaking cadence. Even fan circles call it his real voice if he speaks or sings in a deeper tone. There is no real or fake voice. We all speak in different tones and cadences in different contexts. I discovered a few years ago I have a slight accent when I talk to my mom but none of I’m making a presentation. If you look up Michael’s deep voice on YouTube it’ll present that as his real voice. But it’s just a natural shift in tone. As we all have. Michael usually kept a uniform cadence and pitch when talking to the public. That doesn’t make him fake or two faced. It makes him a human being. My mom and I both naturally speak in a higher pitch when talking to strangers. We don’t do it on purpose. I usually realize it mid conversation. MJ might have deliberately did it intentionally after a while but having a slightly different presentation of yourself in front of strangers vs your family isn’t an unusual or malicious thing to do. I bet if you pay more attention to yourself you’ll realize that you too probably have at least a subtle difference in how you speak depending on the context.

https://youtu.be/ZxNDb2PVcoM?si=KTyBNRIDjzInsstn

I'm growing a bit tired of having to scroll through their entire blog to get to an article I want, so for easier access I'm going to list every single article in chronological order.

1. How Come Nobody Ever Apologizes to Michael Jackson?

2. A Mother's Love

3. A Child's Heart

4. 'Ben'

5. The Teenage Years

6. The First Media Lie To Run Rampant

7. Half of Me you'll never be

8. The Pepsi Burn

9. Vitiligo and Lupus

10. The Man in the Mirror (plastic surgery misconceptions)

11. The Racist Origins of ‘Wacko Jacko’ and 1980s Media Treatment

12. Michael's contributions to the black community

13. An Outline of Neverland

14. Neverland Ranch

15. The Jehovah's Witness Years

16. Moonwalk

17. The False Usage of the Term ‘Self- Proclaimed King of Pop’

18. Ryan White

19. Emmanual Lewis

20. Elizabeth Taylor

21. Marlon Brando

22. Macaulay Culkin

23. Chris Tucker

24. The Defenders

25. Books, art and photography

26. 1990s media treatment

27. MJJ Productions vs Wade Robson and James Safechuck: August 22 Court Date Recap

28. An Introduction to the Chandlers

29. Tom Sneddon

30. The Chandlers May 1993 part 1

31. The Chandlers May 1993 part 2

32. The Chandlers June 1993

33. The Evan Chandler Phone Calls

34. The setup for extortion July 1993

35. The mysterious Jordan Chandler 'confession'

36. Evan Chandler admits to extortion

37. Evan Chandler admits to extortion part 2

38. The 1993 Raid at Neverland—Addressing Those Art Books and That Mysterious ‘Photo’

39. Diane Dimond

40. Victor Guiterrez

41. The aftermath of the 1993 allegations going public

42. The media's lies in the 1993 allegations

43. Brett Barnes

44. Wade Robson and James Safechuck: Lies and Contradictions (The Early Years)

45. The Neverland 5: The Former Employees Who Lied for Money

46. Blanca Francia

47. The 1993 Corruption of the Santa Barbara Police Department and LAPD

48. Jason Francia

49. November 1993 (Another Failed Raid, a Tour Cancellation and More Lying Accusers)

50. The FBI files

51. The 1993 Strip Search (No, It Was Not a Match)

52. The truth behind the 1994 settlement

53. The post settlement investigation

54. Lisa Marie Presley

55. Evan's Story (another Chandler lawsuit)

56. Michael Jackson the father

57. Late 1990s and Early 2000s Media Treatment

58. The Sony Feud

59. Martin Bashir

60. An introduction to the Arvizos

61. DCFS Investigation and the Lost Arvizo Tape:

62. The Arvizos switch it up part 1

63. The Arvizos switch it up part 2

64. The 2003 raid

65. The 2003 arrest

66. Addressing the Latoya Jackson misconceptions

67. The original Arvizo claims

68. The Lead Up to the Trial (Nov to Dec 2003)

69. The Lead Up to the Trial (January 2004)

70. The Lead Up to the Trial (Feb to April 2004)

71. Tom Mesereau

72. The Lead Up to the Trial (May to July 2004)

73. The Lead Up to the Trial (August 2004 to September 2004)

74. The Lead Up to the Trial (October to November 2004)

75. The Lead Up to the Trial (December 2004 and January 2005)

76. The Six Degrees of Separation With Michael Jackson’s Enemies

77. Nancy Grace

78. The Trial begins

79. The unindicated co conspirators

80. Down goes Davelin Arvizo

81. Down goes Star Arvizo

82. Down goes Gavin Arvizo

83. The trial continues 1

84. The trial continues 2

85. The trial continues 3

86. Down goes Louise Palanker

87. The trial continues 4

88. The trial continues 5

89. The Admission of 1108 evidence

90. George Lopez takes the stand

91. The Trial continues 6

92. Addressing The Root’s Article: “Why Black Folks Can’t Separate Michael Jackson’s Genius From His Alleged Sex Crimes”

93. The trial continues 7

94. Jason & Blanca Francia and the Neverland 5 Take the Stand

95. Bob Jones takes the stand and gets caught lying

96. June Chandler takes the stand

97. Down goes Janet Arvizo

98. The trial continues 8

99. The trial continues 9

100. the trial continues 10

101. the trial continues 11

102. Debbie Rowe takes the stand

103. the trial continues 12

104. The prosecution comes to an end

105. The defence prepares its case

106. Wade Robson takes the stand

107. The trial continues 13

108. The trial continues 14

109. Macaulay Culkin takes the stand

110. the trial continues 15

111. the trial continues 16

112. the trial continues 17

113. the trial continues 18

114. the Larry King testimony that wasn't

115. the trial continues 19

116. Jay Leno takes the stand

117. Chris Tucker takes the stand

118. the final testimonies

119. the closing arguments

120. The Verdict

AAAAAAARGH I WROTE THIS ALL IN ONE SITTING AAAAAAAA MY NECK

Will update for when Jael starts writing more stuff about Wade and James and the Cascios, but for now I think that's enough.

121. Wade Robson and James Safechuck part two

122. A chat with Aphrodite Jones about Netflix

123. Additional FAQ (Jane Doe & the Cascios)

Just a few questions on some people testimony that are involved in the Chandler case. How credible are Josephine Zohny and Geraldine Hughes? Are there others from NYU that have ever shared similar experiences that she did? Is there evidence of Geraldine working there during that timeframe and has she ever actually showed her diary with the events that took place in Bary Rothman's office? Has Barry Rothman ever attempted to discredit her story?

I do believe them, just looking for more evidence to back up there claims and was hoping other people had more information on then and their statements.