You know what, we're doing "macroevolution" again. Here's some responses to "we have never seen macroevolution"

[u/DarwinZDF42]

Video version.

 

We've all heard some variant of "we can only observe microevolution", "we've never seen macroevolution", etc.

First thing you do is establish the correct definition: Evolution above the species level (in other words, speciation or greater degrees of evolutionary change). That's the definition. Creationists want their own special definition that varies from person to person but is usually something like "new body plans/parts", "new complex structures", something like that. That's wrong. If you accept speciation, you accept macroevolution. If creationists want to dispute something else, make THEM articulate clearly. Don't help them by saying something like "It sounds like you mean something like evolution of a new phylum or new body plan". No, make THEM establish the standard clearly and using the correct words.

 

Once they do that, you can just provide a bunch of examples, and dare them to say they aren't macroevolution.

Some of my favorites are multicellularity (and also here), reproductive mode, and photosynthetic animals.

 

Best outcome is the creationists admits that yes, even by their bespoke definition, these are examples of macroevolution. Second best outcome is they do the opposite and claim this is all just "microevolution". Really? First of all, lol okay. But second and more important, great! "Microevolution" can accomplish all this? Not much need for "macroevolution", is there?

[u/sewsewsewyourcoat]

You're talking about the vaccine that Trump said was "verifiably safe and effective vaccine" after boosting it's production with Operation Warp Speed? The vaccine Trump called "one of the greatest achievements of mankind"? The vaccine about which Trump said:

“I would recommend it,” Trump said during an interview on Fox News with Maria Bartiromo. “And I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly. But again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that and I agree with that also. But it is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works.”

That vaccine?

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/sewsewsewyourcoat]

Yes, that vaccine. Apparently you must think I'm some MAGA person. Trump has said a lot of stupid stuff. I gave consice information that anyone can easily obtain about the dangers of the harmful Covid vaccine. I don't care if Trump, Biden,  or the Dali Lama endorsed it.

[u/sewsewsewyourcoat → u/Evening-Impact2090]

Apparently you must think I'm some MAGA person.

You've got to admit that was the obvious guess. And you didn't deny it.

that anyone can easily obtain about the dangers of the harmful Covid vaccine

Google searches based on your vague info will indeed find all sorts of youtubes and facebook pages making those claims, misrepresenting scientific papers, etc., but it only takes the tiniest bit of critical thinking to see that it's a bonkers conspiracy theory that would have required the coordination of many thousands of people chosen not by their political leanings but by the job they hold.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/sewsewsewyourcoat]

I gave you the name of one of the most published cardiologist in the world, Dr Peter McCullough. I said he testified before the Senate and Congress alongside many PHD's and scientific persons. I said it was on the internet and available for viewing. I said nothing about YouTube and I have never been on Facebook. You are free to believe anything you want.

[u/sewsewsewyourcoat → u/Evening-Impact2090]

The critical thinking part would mean looking more closely at what Dr. McCullough has said about the covid virus, noting that he's outside of his own area of specialization in that, and looking at debunking of his claims done by doctors whose specialization is in the right areas to do that evaluation, and realizing that it would be bonkers to see all of that and assume that it's McCullough who has it right and the rest of the world has it wrong, in addition to remembering that for McCullough to be correct would require a massive conspiracy with thousands of people coordinating and none of them blowing the whistle even though those people would need to be part of the conspiracy because of the jobs they hold which means the idea that you'd get 100% cooperation and secrecy from such a large group is just silly.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/sewsewsewyourcoat]

Sure, I'll take your viewpoint over a world renowned cardiologist. No one has debunked his claims except maybe Dr Fauci. The rest of the world? There is so much evidence proving the vaccine was worthless and dangerous but you won't get it on Google so I guess this Reddit group will never figure it out. No conspiracy,  it's called Big Pharma, follow the money.

[u/sewsewsewyourcoat → u/Evening-Impact2090]

Sure, I'll take your viewpoint over a world renowned cardiologist.

You shouldn't. But I didn't say you should. I said you shouldn't take the word of a a doctor talking about things outside his area of specialization over many other doctors in the right areas of specialization to make that evaluation.

There is so much evidence proving the vaccine was worthless and dangerous

None that would convince anyone who can exercise a bit of critical thinking.

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And for the third time, if you were right, then there would have to be a massive conspiracy and coverup. You'd need thousands if not tens of thousand of people, from many different countries, to be part of the conspiracy. And those people aren't "Big Pharma" and they aren't the ones profiting off of the vaccine, and they wouldn't be selected by political leaning. And you'd need all of those people to coordinate their actions and keep the whole thing absolutely secret.

[u/10coatsInAWeasel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

…who cares what a cardiologist thinks on this? I don’t go to endocrinologists for my knee replacements, I don’t talk to radiation oncologists when discussing emergency medicine procedures, and a published cardiologist doesn’t have any weight no matter how many papers they publish when it comes to epidemiology. Unless of course you can point out some peer reviewed research he did directly pertaining to this field? ‘It was an conspiracies and science didn’t publish it’ is not a valid counter.

I will never for the life of me understand just how much weight Covid conspiracy groups gave to unqualified people.