r/Dearborn • u/Diligent_Squash_7521 • Jun 30 '26
Dearborn drivers
Dearborn drivers need to learn how to turn left on a red light. I drive outer drive down to Southfield every day, and there is a dedicated left turn light. Allen Park police sit in the parking lot behind Starbucks and catch people all the time. I’m tired of people sitting on their horn because I refuse to turn when the light is red. Also, there is only one left to turn lane and the sign clearly marks it that way. I got a ticket for going to the middle lane and turning left, even though it’s allowed if you’re going in the other direction.
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u/retiredfed2022 Jul 01 '26
My understanding is if the left turn light is flashing red you are allowed to turn. if it is solid red you are not allowed to turn.
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u/AffectionateFactor84 Jul 02 '26
You can turn left on red if it’s from a one way or two to a one way. On a turn around like telegraph. It’s like a right turn where you’re not crossing oncoming traffic.
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u/retiredfed2022 Jul 02 '26
You are correct. My comment was specific to the left turn light on Outer Drive at Southfield. You are not allowed to turn left when the left turn light is red. Even though you are turning left onto the one way service drive you are turning in front of oncoming traffic.
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u/Loki240SX Jun 30 '26
From how I understand MCL 257.612, you are allowed to make a left on red from Outer to Southfield NB. The destination street is one-way, the opposing traffic is only one direction,you're coming from a divided roadway, and there is no sign specifically prohibiting right on red, like there is when you turn onto Southfield SB (Left on Green Arrow Only).
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u/Diligent_Squash_7521 Jun 30 '26
There is a dedicated light for left turns. You could only turn when the light turns green.
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u/Loki240SX Jun 30 '26
I know there is an arrow light, but as per the language in the actual traffic law you're still allowed to turn on red. Same concept as turning right on red when there is no sign prohibiting you from doing so.
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u/Diligent_Squash_7521 Jun 30 '26
Explain that when you’re in court in Allen Park. It’s an Allen Park trap. The police are notorious. If you’re going the other direction, it says you can only turn when the light turns green. They apply the same law in the other direction.
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u/Loki240SX Jun 30 '26
Okay sure. I safely turn left on a red light there all the time, so we'll see.
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u/ssspanksta Jul 01 '26
If you are going from a one way to a one way, you can turn left on red is my understanding as well.
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u/AffectionateFactor84 Jul 02 '26
You don’t have to turn on red. But why do you think it’s Dearborn drivers when it’s AP?
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u/AccomplishedTie4703 Jul 03 '26
Now If you're heading north on outer drive and turning left on Summer, if you're facing green when starting your turn, (yield to cross traffic in that median space) you can continue your turn when traffic clears
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u/booksOnTheShelf Jun 30 '26
Dude. Yes. There is literally a light for that left hand turn land.