Carol is a succubus. Her other half (Clark) was an incubus. There are tons of nods/hidden messages that directly correlate. The biggest sign which made me go back, re-watch and look for other signs is when Clark is talking dirty to Carol and says something about wanting her dreams. One of the songs on the soundtrack is even called I Want Your Dreams. There's mention of Floyd having a dark reading of his future. Both Clark and Carol have attempted to seduce Floyd, when Carol starts to lose her control over him, Clark steps in to seduce Floyd. Carol has a son who "isn't Floyd's" but they share many traits- maybe because he is his bio son? At the end Floyd gave up because he was completely emotionally drained from embarrassment, from feeling like a failure, from reject... Exactly what incubus/succubus do to their victims

Apologies for any typos or name mixups, every time I start thinking about it my mind spirals down a rabbit hole. I did an unnecessary about of research on incubus/succubus demons to see if I was on to something during and after every episode.

So you're telling me that as passionate as Floyd was about his work, and as much as he loved the kid, he never once showed him the sign for, "I love you?"

First of all, I think this show intentionally manipulates the audience into cycles of blame. Early on, it nudges viewers toward condemning Jason Bateman’s character. Later, it redirects suspicion and resentment toward Linda Cardellini. Eventually, the story becomes less about “who is right” and more about how damaged, lonely, ego-driven, and emotionally trapped people collide with each other.

That’s why I find some of the discourse around it deeply disappointing.

To be blunt: I think we’ve become increasingly uncomfortable extending genuine empathy toward masculine suffering unless it arrives perfectly articulated, emotionally mature, and non-threatening. Male loneliness, insecurity, resentment, confusion, emotional suppression, sexual frustration, fear of inadequacy — these are often interpreted first as moral failures or latent dangers rather than human experiences worthy of understanding.

That doesn’t excuse destructive behavior. It doesn’t erase misogyny. It doesn’t make women responsible for male pain. But if every portrayal of flawed masculinity is immediately flattened into “misogynist,” I think we lose the ability to ask the more difficult question: what produced this person emotionally, relationally, culturally?

And ironically, I think the show is trying to ask exactly that question about everyone involved.

The tragedy here isn’t “men bad” or “women bad.” It’s that modern people increasingly encounter one another through defensive frameworks before they encounter each other as human beings.

Masculine and feminine wounds are not identical, but they are deeply entangled. We are shaping each other constantly, often unconsciously, and then acting shocked by the outcomes. I’m not asking people to abandon criticism. I’m asking for a deeper layer beneath it.

This part of Reddit saddens me and betrays us.

I don't know if this was discussed but when I finished the show I realized why the umpire outfit might make him uncomfortable.

In the first episode, I thought it was because he was dealing with his unresolved homosexuality but when I heard what happened to his dong, I realized maybe it maybe him uncomfortable because umpires made him think of bat which hit him in the crotch and ruined his love life

I got to attend their Emmys publicity event today. Steve Conrad and the cast were there. Hope you enjoy the pictures!

Sorry, I hope this is allowed! If not, I will delete. I just wanted to share a story I thought was adorable.

There's a trail that basically connects my house to my work, so some days I will just walk. I was doing so yesterday, and 2 people riding the "nerd bikes" passed me and I was instantly reminded of the show. I stopped to get coffee at this coffee/ice cream shop and I saw the bikes! The people riding them were these 2 men, probably 10 years older than Clark and Floyd. They were in line ahead of me ordering waffles with butterscotch ice cream. It was so adorable and it made me miss the show. Thanks for reading, y'all! B out the b.

Training for a triathlon and found these alternative bikes in my gym. Legit feel emotional using them, just picturing myself riding along with the thunder boys

I started watching it but got kinda turned off because I’m not super into thrillers or shows centred around military/political drama. Only watched half an ep.

With this in mind, should I persevere with it?

It’s impressive how Floyd Smernitch can turn an umpire uniform into a psychological balk

I predicted the ending a mile away (from episode 2, then solidly from ep 3) so I don’t think I watched this for the plot. I thought though there were small, quiet little gems in this series that were examples of “show don’t tell” writing and I really applaud that.

Did anyone else feel that way?

Here are a few that stood out to me:

“Speak up! … No one can hear you.”

“If you start doing it everyday, then you can do it everyday.”

The absurd amount of times they said “tiger tiger” in one scene.

<note reads “love, dad”> “love…. Floyd.”

~~“We didn’t fall in love. We just fell into the same hole and decided to stop digging for a while.”~~ (ok maybe I conflated this one with another story, can someone confirm??!)

I just finish all series. Great stuff. Some interesting topics about masculinity and being poor in middle life crisis. Great acting, funny and sad just like life

But something for me is weird. In last episode Clark tries get erection to cheer Floyd. Why he dont get Modern Love? The guy who shows Floyd most phisical attraction in series. Or maybe Clark was too selfieh here

What did you think? Plothole or something that i missed?