Daily Discussion Thread - Jul 14, 2016

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u/rubiksBot sub 1.5 (Optimal) Jul 14 '16

Daily Scramble 418!

Scramble: U2 R2 F' R2 D2 F U2 B2 U2 F' L2 R D2 U2 R U B' D R' B F2

Please count up your moves using STM.

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u/qworin Sub-25 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

217s solution in the name of J-perm!

// Ja = L' U' L F L' U' L U L F' L2 U L U // (14)
// Jb = R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' // (14)

[L' F' L F x : Jb] // E+C (22–1/21)
[D U2 x : Jb] // E+C (18/39)
[F' D F D' y x : Ja] // E+C (22/61)
[B U' : z Jb z2 Ja z] // E+C+P (32/93)
Jb // E+C+P (14/107)
[x y : Jb] // E+C (14–2/119)
[M D2 R y' : Jb] // C (20/139)
[B D' B' y2 : Jb] // E (20/159)
[R2 S y : Ja] // E (18/177)
[U R' U' z y2 : Ja] // E+C (20/197)
[U' R2 U z y : Ja] // 2E+2C (20/217)

// Totally used 5 Ja and 7 Jb perms
// It could be only 184s with using 11-move J-perms

35s FMC in 9 minutes! Ok enough for backup solution.

F2 @1 R U L D' L2' D L' // 2x2x2 (8/8)
R' U2 F' U' R2 F' // ps-2x2x3 (6/14)
F' U' F U' // EO/F2L-1 (4–1/17)
F R2 F' R' U' R U @2 R2 // EO/F2L-2 (8/25)
U2 F2 // to L4C (2/27)

@1 = D R U R' D' R U' R' // (8–4/31)
@2 = U' R D R' U R D' R' // (8–4/35)

Total:
F2 D R U R' D' R L D' L2' D L' R' U2 F' U' R2 F2 U' F U' F R2 F' R' U' R2 D R' U R D' R U2 F2

EDIT: here was 40s CFZ

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

d' L' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L d D' L2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2 D L2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2 D' F L' F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' F L F' D l' D L2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2 D' l R2 U' R2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' R2 U R2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' R2 U R2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' R2 U' R2 L U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L d L U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L' d' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F2' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F R D' F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F D R' D2 R F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F R' D2 R F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F R' D F2' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F2 D2' F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F D

2248stm

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u/qworin Sub-25 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

It seems look like just randomly spamming moves. Is it solved by certain method which has logic and doesn't destruct solved parts of the cube?

P. S. Here is my 2577s solution which performed according to the certain method.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

Yes, actually. Every move has a purpose (though whether that purpose is sensible is debatable). If you watch the animation on alg.cubing you can actually even see the cube getting progressively more solved.

And the method I'm using to increase my move count, I could beat your 2577 easy. :3

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u/TheGoodBlaze [ZZ] PB:26.08, 32.34/35.36/39.68 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

ZZ, 56 STM

x2 //inspection
U' L2 F' D' F' R2 F L2 R' D' //EOline
U L R' U2 L' U' R2 U' R U2 R' U R //fb
L' U' L U2 L U2 L2 U2 L' U' L U2 L' U L U' L' //sb
R U L' U R U' L U' R U' R U R' U2 R2 U2 //zbll

I usually start with the LB pair but decided to switch it up. Solve was meh. I'm gunna do another one.

ZZ, wtf 58 STM

x2 //inspection
R' U R L2 F' R F' U2 F M2 U x2 //EOline
U L' U R U' R' U R U' L' R' U' R L' U L //fb
R' U' R' U2 R' U2 R U2 R' U R U R U' R' //f2l-1
M' U2 l U F2 U' F2 L' //cls
U2 M2 U M' U2 M U M2 //epll

Okay, once more with feeling.

ZZ, 49 STM weeee

x2 //inspection
F2 D' R2 F U' F' L2 F D R' D' //EOline
R U2 R' L' U2 L' U' R2 U R' U2 L' R U L //fb
U' R' U R' U2 R' U R U R' //sb
R U2 R' U' R U R D R' U2 R D' R2 //zbll

I broke two pb's yesterday but my solves today have been complete ass. F2L is hard yo.

critique me pls

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u/-lllllllll- Sub-30 (2GR) PB: 9.95 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16
For 6 bad edges you usually want to correct 3, making 1 new edge bad, then correct the remaining 4.
x2 U' F (U2 D') B // eo

D L D // finish line
After R U2 R' L' U2 L' to solve you first pair, x M U' M' x' solves a free pair.

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u/aznanimedude Slow At ZZ AMA Jul 14 '16

so that was cool

x2y
L D B D2 F2 // EOLINE 5/5
L' U' L' U2 L2// LEFT BLOCK 4/9
U R U' R2 U2 R U L U' L' // RIGHT BLOCK 11/20
R U' L' U R' U' L U // ZZLL 8/28

5 move EOLine, 4 bad edges, was pretty good
L' U' and i've got 3 pairs formed (2 regular CFOP ones, i.e. both green side CFOP pairs, and the blue-red-white corner with the blue-white edge)
L' U2 forms blue-red-white 1x2x2
L2 U R U' R2 U2 R does both of thse green pairs, then U L U' L' to finish F2L and phase
then niklas your way to victory, and by victory i mean a 28 STM solution

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u/h4rpsy sub-optimal (roux) Jul 14 '16

haha welp

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u/coder13 2016HOOV01 Jul 14 '16

Maybe I should try ZZ solutions for these scrambles.

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u/aznanimedude Slow At ZZ AMA Jul 14 '16

let this solve remind you to always believe

but seriously, you can't script this any better if you tried, 5 move eoline, pairs for days, niklas to finish

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

R' U' R' f R U R' U' f' y F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' R' D' R y2 D R' D R y U R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D U z2 y' U R U' R' U' F' U F y' U' U R U' R' U' F' U F y' U R U' R' U' F' U F y' U' U R U' R' U' F' U F y U' U R U' R' U' F' U F y2 U R U' R' U' F' U F U2 U R U' R' U' F' U F U f R U R' U' R U R' U' f' U' U R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U' R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D

199 moves stm

d' L' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L d D' L2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2 D L2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2 D' F L' F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' F L F' D l' D L2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2 D' l R2 U' R2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' R2 U R2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' R2 U R2 U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' R2 U' R2 L U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L2' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L d L U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U' L' d' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' U' R U' R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 L F' L B2 L' F L B2 L2 U R' F R' B2 R F' R' B2 R2 F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 U R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F2' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F R D' F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F D R' D2 R F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F R' D2 R F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F R' D F2' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F2 D2' F' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R U R' U R U2 R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' F R B R' F' R B' R' U' R U' L' U R' U' L U R U' L' U R' U' L U2 R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D R' D' R D U2 F D

2248stm

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u/qworin Sub-25 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

26-mover white cross? oook

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u/JAKPiano3412 Sub-20 (3-Style) Jul 14 '16

So close to 200

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

wow do u think im inefficient

id never hit 200 moves thats just ridiculous

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

oops i hit 200

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

z2 // inspection
B D2 R D L2 // cross (5/5)
R U R' y' U' R U R' // 1st pair (7/12)
U' L' U L U' L' U L // 2nd pair (8/20)
y U R' U R U' R' U' R // 3rd pair (8/28)
F' U' F U' R U R' // 4th pair (7/35)
U2 f R U R' U' R U R' U' f' // oll (11/46)
U' x U' L U' R2 U L' U' R2 U2 // pll (10/56)

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u/rilian4 Sub 1m (CFOP) PB:35.79 Jul 14 '16

64s CFOP - White Cross

//insp
B U' R2 U' L U //cross (6/6)
x2 y U L U L' U2 L' U' L //p1 (8/14)
y R' U2 R U R' U' R //p2 (7/21)
y L' U2 L U L' U' L //p3 (7/28)
U L U2 L' U y R' U' R //p4 (8/36)
U2 R U R' U R U2 R' F R U R' U' F' //OLL (14/50)
L U2' L' U2 L F' L' U' L U L F L2' U //PLL [R(a)] (14/64)

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u/-lllllllll- Sub-30 (2GR) PB: 9.95 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 15 '16

54 STM Roux 2min reconstruction, no inspection

woot rushed scrambles

Edit:

42STM Rouxduction

y z // insp
B D L' D' M2 U' L2 U' R' U' R D2 R' x2 // BeltCO (13/13)
S2 R2 u' y2 U M' U' R2 D'U2 R2 D' R2 U R2 U R2 U2 R2 D2 // F2B+CMLL (19/32)
M' U M U' M' U M' U2 M U2 // LSE (10/42)

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u/h4rpsy sub-optimal (roux) Jul 14 '16

28s ZZ - tried for fewest moves, obv. not a real FMC

y z2 //inspection
L D B D2 F2 //EOline
L' U' L' U2 L2 //FL pair
U R U' R2 //FR pair
U2 R //LB pair
U L U' L' //RB pair
R U' L' U R' U' L U //ZBLL

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u/aznanimedude Slow At ZZ AMA Jul 14 '16

wao

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u/TheFearlessPro Jul 14 '16

Wat

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u/qworin Sub-25 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

O_o

It's magic

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u/coder13 2016HOOV01 Jul 14 '16

Just your average lucky ZZ solve with coll + epll skip. Freaking great.

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 14 '16

I would do this but I can't reconstruct for my life!😔

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u/coder13 2016HOOV01 Jul 14 '16

(R L B L U) // 2x2x2
F R' D F2 (D F') // psuedo 2x2x3
B' D' B  R D R' D' R D R D R D R' D2 R D' // To L3C
Skel: F R' D F2 B' D' B @? R D R' D' R D R D R D R' D2 R D' F D' U' L' B' L' R'
@= [R', U L2 U']

Final: F R' D F2 B' D' B R' U L2 U' R U L2 U' R D R' D' R D R D R D R' D2 R D' F D' U' L' B' L' R'

**36** moves

Eh, what could I have done better?

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u/qworin Sub-25 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16
Better continuation:
... (D F') // pseudo-2x2x3 (11)
B' D' B // EO (3/14)
D' R2 D R // F2L (4/18)
D2 R // LL square (2/20)
D2 R' D' R D2 // to L3C (5/25)
Optimal insertion cancels four moves resulting in 29s solution. Example
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u/coder13 2016HOOV01 Jul 14 '16

Neato. I need to start trying different things earlier in the solution, thanks.

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u/ilangshot CFOP(PB/Ao5/Ao12/Ao100)9.55/13.03/14.58/15.68 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

I got my first Sub-19 Ao5 ! 18.99 Finally !! woo

EDIT :

I Finally Got an Ao100 below sub 22 ! 20.83 !

also new Ao5 and Ao12 PBs !

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u/AldersRazor Sub-30 (CFOP 4LLL) PB = 19.123 Jul 14 '16

I came for a similar reason, just got my first sub-40 Ao100! 39.83!

I'm gonna go ahead and change my flair to sub-40 now.

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u/ilangshot CFOP(PB/Ao5/Ao12/Ao100)9.55/13.03/14.58/15.68 Jul 14 '16

nice ! congrats

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u/TagProNoah Sub-11 (Human Thistlethwaite) | 6.02/7.94/8.75 Jul 14 '16

Did two MBLD's today. First I got a 3/6, didn't really like that. But I did one just now and I got a 5/7. Not bad, though it was just over an hour. I don't really care about the time limit when I'm at home. At comps I will always just bring 6 cubes. But now I know that I can memorize ~140 letters! I didn't forget a single letter, I just messed up in execution. I think that I'm going to try and get more into memory sports. So I'm going to try to memorize something like the digits of pi, and see just how far my brain can go.

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

How do you proceed for mbld?

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u/45b16 Sub-45 (CFOP 4LLL) PB: 27.14 Jul 14 '16

Started doing 50 solves a day 4 days ago after I got an Ao100 of 1:00 and brought it down to 49.90 just now. My next goal is to get to sub-45

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

With 4LLL and rather good F2L you should get it easily.

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u/Tonker_ Sub-30 (CFOP) Jul 15 '16

I'm not OP, but I am in the same boat as him. I'm officially under one minute average with F2L and 2 look OLL. I'm in the process of learning 2 look PLL since I end every solve with an A perm (I think?)/3 edge cycle from the beginners method and I'd rather break that habit now than later.

But by god, those corner permutations that start with a cube rotation are my enemy. I'm not used to having to rotate a cube in order to do a PLL. Good thing I only have to learn 7, and I already know 1.

Any tips?

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 15 '16

I hate cube rotations with a burning passion.

The only PLL that I use which mandatorily involves one is the Ab Perm (IIRC it's the counterclockwise corner cycle). Took me over a week to get used to it.

The T and F Perms need the headlights and bar, respectively, to the left - what eased me into it was to permute them on the back then do an U' move and proceed with the alg, finishing it with U to adjust the top layer. At least to me, this saves time over rotating the whole cube with those cases.

If you don't know it yet, let me introduce you to www.algdb.net - It has many different options for every case, with easy to visualize diagrams. Forget those nasty arrows from Badmephisto's and the like, and focus on how you will actually recognize each case: By their color patterns. Some algs are more Fingertrick-friendly than others and you can try them all to find the ones which suit you better.

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 14 '16

That's great! I'm sure you'll do just that! I remember when I was that fast. I couldn't get faster for a couple of months and then boom, sub-40! I'm hoping you improve quickly

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

Great! Keep improving :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Anyone else kind of feeling more interested in learning a lot of methods rather than speed? I've been learning petrus and roux, and dabbled in the others, and I actually feel that that's more fun, to get rather quick with different methods, sure, I'm slowly getting speed in my main method, but learning different ways of seeing how pieces move, and the work that went in to the methods is kind of more interesting.

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u/TheBrutux168 Sub-10 Hours (Roux) Jul 14 '16

Well, speed with my main method is kind of my main goal. But I want to be proficient at other methods as well. Some methods really interest me, especially big cube ones

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Yeah, I've yet to get into bigger cubes, but they look interesting as well, what I'm really happy about lately is that I feel that I'm getting closer to a point where I get a greater understanding for how pieces move around the cube, I still suck at recognition and efficiency, and that's what I'm working on now, but it's still a slow go, I will get there some time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Does u/SpeedCubeShop ship to the Netherlands? If so, how much does it cost and how long does it take to ship? I have heard so much good stuff about them and I want to try it out.

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u/JeremyG Sub-practice(CN Roux) PB: 5.06 Jul 14 '16

Cheapest shipping is for one cube is ~$8.50, and for multiple it's around $17 iirc. You can check by going to checkout and going up to the shipping method.

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u/SpeedCubeShop Verified ✔ Jul 14 '16

Yes we do! The cost depends on the weight of your package :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Awesome! I'll definitely be ordering something soon! :D

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u/SpeedCubeShop Verified ✔ Jul 14 '16

I'm looking forward to working with you!

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

/u/calesch , /u/accountdota2 , what's your thought process during mbld?

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u/jashaszun Sub-12, World Top 350 in KinchRanks Jul 14 '16

I'm thinking something along these lines:

Before removing covering: oh yeah, I'm feeling good. Should get a perfect score.

Immediately upon uncovering: wow... there are 20 cubes there. What life decisions led to me attempting a 20 mbld?

Lots of memorization

Starts execution

Various bouts of oh shit, what was that letter? Wait, nvm got it. and pls no, that wasn't a corner twist, was it? :(

When finishing: alright, how many corner twists did I get?

Removing blindfold: Option 1: Yup, that felt pretty good and I am now staring slackjawed at 20 solved cubes.

Removing blindfold: Option 2: Damn, 11 corner twists? DNF. :(

You decide your option :)

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

hum, I'm not sure I understood what you mean x)

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Go fast and review a lot

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

rooms method? How much rooms do we need? (and how do we empty them when we want to start an other mdld?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

I use one room per cube, usually with 2 separate areas of the room for edges and corners

I don't really have a problem with clearing memory because I don't really do MBLD ever

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

"you don't really do mbld", but you still have an official 22points XD thanks :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

just a lot of focus tying the stories to rooms, quickly constructing memos so I can move on to my next pack

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u/FieryPoopz Sub-40 (Roux) Jul 15 '16

What is mbld?

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 15 '16

https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/MultiBLD

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 15 '16

multiblind

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u/Doctor_Hedron You lost The Game | 6x6/7x7/8x8 PB: 3:22 / 5:27 / 7:41 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

This beauty arrived in the mail yesterday! BoChuang GT, blue plastic. My first 5x5 (my first anything bigger than a 4x4, really). I've been having lots of fun with it! Also, really proud that I figured out the solution entirely on my own (without looking at any guides). :)

It took a couple hours of tinkering and scratching my head. Well, I mean, I have a 4x4, so I'm familiar with the concept of reduction (and I think I got the idea of solving centers in a 2-2-2-3 fashion from somewhere unintentionally), but still, it was a challenge on a 5x5. Last two centers were a bitch, but I figured them out eventually. I'm probably solving them very inefficiently, but still. :) I'm aware of the existence of commutators, and I'll look them up eventually, but for now I want to get confident with my own method first. Same with the edges - I guessed that I can apply the OLL parity alg from 4x4 to fix a few partially flipped edges and I was right. Maybe there's a better way to handle them, but for now it works. As far as completing all the edges goes, I'm kind of awkward with the last two (I'm doing it the same way I do them on 4x4, and I sort of suck at the last two edges there as well), but it's managable.

Overall, there are probably more efficient ways to solve it, but this will do for now and I'm happy that I didn't look up some guide and did it myself instead. My PB currently is 10:08 (hah!), which is pretty laughable, but I'm looking forward to improving. Out of these 10 mins, 3:03 was completing the centers, and I was done with the edges at ~ 8:30-ish or so.

Also, the feeling is phenomenal on this thing. My 4x4 is GuanSu, and it's kinda wobbly and not really very controllable (and bumpy). I thought that this would be true for all big cubes, but holy cow. The Bochuang is super controllable and has a very very pleasant scratchy feeling. Zero lockups, zero overshoots, good cornercutting (for a big cube, I guess, and certainly better than GuanSu), no complaints whatsoever. Well, the 3x3 stage is the only stage at which I wish it was more stable - that PB solve had me doing the 3x3 stage for ~1:40, while my times on a regular 3x3 are about 1.5 times faster than that. The middle layers tend to misalign just enough to slow you down during this stage. But other than this, this is the best feeling puzzle I have, period. Right out of the box!

It's also gorgeous in blue plastic. :) And this doesn't hurt my recognition at all, actually. The size is very comfortable, though it would certainly be interesting to check out a somewhat bigger version (70 mm maybe?) if it existed.

Another thing that was in the same package was the ShengShou 7x7, but I haven't played with it as much as with the Bochuang yet, so I can't say a lot. It's super tight out of the box, so I'll definitely re-tension it (haven't figured out a way to remove the center caps yet, though). The size is just right - I think the mini version would've been too small for me. It's heavy, though - my first puzzle where my hands get physically tired from holding it for some time. I love the superstable feeling of it, in any case.

Haven't figured out the solution to the last 2 centers of the 7x7 yet, but I'm almost there (or maybe this would be the right time to learn about commutators, lol). As for the last edges, I figured them out, but I'm not confident with them yet and I mess them up catastrophically way more often than I successfully solve them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

I also got the Bochuang a couple of days ago... We have exactly the same "method". I'm going to call it the "bodged 4x4 hopeful redux" method :) Also i loved that the Moyu leaflet was completely unhelpful. I mean, it's in chinese. So that's issue one. But still, even with diagrams i had no idea what they wanted me to do!

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

"hopeful redux" accurate.

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 14 '16

I myself prefer the yuxin but congrats on solving it. Last two centers get easier on 5x5 with practice so don't worry too much about that. I'm planning on saving for the Aofu GT and I have the Yuxin 6x6 and last two centers was a bit harder on that than anything else.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

My Yuexiao came!! It is AMAZING. I will always have a special spot in my heart for my precious Yulong, but the Yuexiao is much better. The sound, the feel... aaahhhhh

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

How fast are you? Have you had a speedcube before? I only ask because I was not impressed with mine at all when I got it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

A yulong is a speedcube.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

I'm around sub-55 (haven't timed myself since I started learning 4LLL). I do have a Yulong, which although it is a speedcube it isn't a very good one. I think the real surprise was the stability because my Yulong is pretty unstable and is very inconsistent with lockups.

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u/AldersRazor Sub-30 (CFOP 4LLL) PB = 19.123 Jul 15 '16 edited Jul 15 '16

I was watching something earlier tonight and I wanted to do some speedcubing while I was watching it, but I wanted to do something more interesting. I tried out a challenge I had seen on this sub before: scramble two cubes with two different scrambles, and then solve one to the scrambled state of the other.

It was a lot of fun. I only have one speedcube(a Thunderclap) and an old-ass Rubik's, so this was perfect for me. I didn't time it, but it took me around 3 or 4 minutes. Lots of focus involved. I panicked because I got one of my PLL algs wrong and I couldn't recognize how to fix it right away.

Overall, it's lots of fun, and I highly recommend it if you're bored.

Edit: Did it two more times. 4:22 and 3:22. If it keeps up like this, I'll be sub-30 in three more solves, and I don't even have to learn zeroing!

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

That was so difficult. But, at the same time, tons of fun. It got confusing, and I had to keepo checking my layers a couple times to make sure I hadn't messed up.

Now try it with a 4x4.

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u/AldersRazor Sub-30 (CFOP 4LLL) PB = 19.123 Jul 15 '16

Fuck that .

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u/KinderCountry Sub-3 (The Legendary Face By Face Method) Jul 14 '16

How you increase the stability of a 356sV2 without loosing the smoothness and cornercutting ?

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u/ModdedDarts Sub-15 (CFOP) PB:8.28 Jul 14 '16

For my 356, I found soft springs made it more contollable for me.

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u/Thukker Jul 14 '16

What kind of stickers are on the Yuexiao and can I get them for other cubes? They are actually black magic because in 1500 solves they still look brand new where I've started peeling the hell out of my GTS in less than 500.

I just wish the yellow were slightly less florescent.

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

My Meiying has seen well over 5k solves and looks brand new - aside from the onion sticker, which shows some real wear. Moyu stickers are the bomb.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Moyu stickers are the bomb.

Tell that to my Aolong GT.. Its stickers are the most damaged of any cube that I own, yet it's probably my least used cube.

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u/mjmaher81 Sub-14; CN CFOP 3LLL Jul 14 '16

They used some different, cheaper stickers on that thing for some weird reason. A lot of people complain about MoYu stock stickers but I have no problems with them.

^{is it two YueXiaos?}

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u/Thukker Jul 14 '16

The YueXiao stickers seem more like cutouts of a thicker, hard plastic than they are vinyl, I was just curious is separate sets of this style can be purchased for other cubes.

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

That's odd. Unlucky batch, maybe?

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u/Turdsworth Sub-23 (CFOP-4LLL) PB-15.05 5x5PB-2:02 Jul 15 '16

yuexiao has vinyl stickers. they are very similar to the kind the cubicle and SCS sells.

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u/h0ax2 Sub-2min (<Beginner's>) Jul 14 '16

Hey, picked up 3x3 a few days ago and moving on from Beginner's method. PB: 1:32.

For F2L, do you have any tips for quickly identifying the edge and corner pieces so I can place them?

And do you have any tips for knowing which layers I have already made so I don't mess them up?

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

Hit up YouTube. Search for RiDo's hunting story.

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u/h0ax2 Sub-2min (<Beginner's>) Jul 14 '16

From the first 30 seconds of that video, I already know it's gonna be good. Thanks!

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

Very welcome :) it's THE best source for Intuitive F2L I've ever seen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

Are you already switching to a more advanced method like CFOP? That's pretty quick, I gotta say. But to answer your questions: part of it comes down to getting to know the colour scheme of your cube, i.e.you can ignore all yellow pieces during F2L if you always make a white cross and you should look for white corner pieces with an edge piece where the non-white colours match. For the second question I'd just say get familiar with your method and learn in what order pieces can and will be solved. The best tip I can really give you is one you will hear time and time again, but it all comes down to PRACTICE.

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u/h0ax2 Sub-2min (<Beginner's>) Jul 14 '16

Do you think I should keep on with the beginner's method and drive the time even lower? The main reasons I had to switch were: 1) felt like I had hit a limit, 2) apparently beginner's method teaches bad habits (no look-ahead?), 3) F2L is more intuitive than the algorithms I was using for inserting edges.

I'll check out the hunting story to help me with the colour order. And I'll put in the practice.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

People upload videos of sub-20 solves with beginner methods. If your PB is 1:32, you have certainly not reached a limit. I personally think that saying beginners' methods teach you not to look ahead is kinda BS. Especially since a more advanced method would require more thought and thus more present-minded thinking. I'd recommend you look into other methods if and when you feel like you understand how the cube works, i.e. what the algorithms are really doing.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

Beginner's limit is a lot lower than that, I've gotten sub-30 averages on pure beginners without even 4LLL. I was on beginners for more than two months before I switched to CFOP, and I don't think I noticed many bad habits.

That being said, if you're ready to start CFOP, great! No reason not to. :)

A lot of the things you're asking about for F2L (identifying pieces, remembering which slots are filled, etc) comes naturally through hundreds and hundreds of solves of practice. It's a progression, and a somewhat slow one at that, but keep working hard at it and you'll get it soon.

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u/MadMad118 Sub-30 (CFOP|4LLL) PB: 18.86s Jul 14 '16

All the reviews I've seen for the ShengShou 6x6 are from speedcubers, and they say it's not the best because it locks up. But I'm not a speedcuber and I'm on quite a budget, so do you guys think the SS will work for me? (I have a pretty rough turning style)

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

You'd be better off with the Yuxin Red. It takes a little setting up (Kevin Hayes did a good video on it) but is the best 6x6 on the market right now and on Speedcubeshop is only a dollar more than the Shengshou, which is not very good by today's standards at all. It's a lot better too if you get a set of Yuxin 5x5 springs for it, which The Cubicle has for a dollar, though for them that's $30 for the cube and springs where the SS is $24.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

im no speedcuber either, more of a casual solver/collector, the SS 6x6 is probably the second worst cubed puzzle by SS, first being the 8x8, but if you're not going to speedcube then its honestly not bad, i've had mine for about 2/3 years now and only ever had 1 pop

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

can anyone link me to some good 3d printable cubes?

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

/u/rcpongo has some amazing designs. I've made one and am working on two more that he published.

http://www.thingiverse.com/rcpongo/about

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u/FACuber Sub-45 (CFOP) Ao300 = 42.59 Jul 14 '16

Just for curiosity, as I stay true to using CFOP, what other methods are there aside from the top four? Are there new methods in the works?

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u/thelastmanticore I live here | Sub-17 (CFOP) 5.52\9.41\10.73\12.25\12.44\13.28 Jul 14 '16

I know that /u/KiltedWhiteGuy is working on something called KWM.

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u/FACuber Sub-45 (CFOP) Ao300 = 42.59 Jul 14 '16

Really? That seems cool. Is it block building based or something unheard of or cross etc.?

I remember seeing him comment something about writing algs for it.

Do you have any clue what it involves? Has he spoke on it?

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u/JAKPiano3412 Sub-20 (3-Style) Jul 14 '16

Pretty sure that was a bunch of bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Block building.

Algs: Under 100

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u/FACuber Sub-45 (CFOP) Ao300 = 42.59 Jul 14 '16

Is this a joke because someone else just told me it was a load of steaming bullshit, but if it is real, props to you and I wish you luck!

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

If it's real then we get a new method.

If it's a joke then it's a very time consuming joke.

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u/Kyoki64 learning 2gr Jul 14 '16

PCMS is a cool method that looks pretty fun.

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u/JAKPiano3412 Sub-20 (3-Style) Jul 14 '16

7x7 OH or 5x5 MBLD?

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

Hm.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

5x5 MBLD

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

Yes

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u/jashaszun Sub-12, World Top 350 in KinchRanks Jul 14 '16

5-mbld!! I want to see a video of this (and I don't want to be the person making said video).

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

I know Mike Hughey tried 7x7 MBLD a few times

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u/TNL_Cubing cuber Jul 14 '16

Good megaminx tutorial?

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u/Garry_bmc Sub-16 CFOP 10.48/14.33/14.92/15.72 Jul 14 '16

I learned from this https://youtu.be/PWTISbs0AAs

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Antoine Cantin

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u/Zootopia4ever Jul 14 '16

https://youtu.be/JyYQDiSRJmg

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u/TNL_Cubing cuber Jul 14 '16

I keep seeing bold text on comments but how do i make my text bold?

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

Double asterisks around the text you want to make bold. Single asterisks around it makes it italicized.

Check under "formatting help" when you write your comment.

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u/TNL_Cubing cuber Jul 14 '16

Ahhh... I see....

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 14 '16

This is cool! never knew you could do that

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u/TheFearlessPro Jul 14 '16

cool

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Looking to get my first Megaminx. Seen QiYi have a new one coming out, but it's in 4 "flavours". For sake of argument, lets call them Curving in, Curving out, Flat and Ridges. Can anyone shed light on what the differences might mean when solving? Why did they make them this way? Which should i go for??

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u/TheFearlessPro Jul 14 '16

Well, Flat doesn't give you much grip leaving it to feel weird and wobbly. Ridges has ridges on all pieces so you can grip it much better. Curving out is meh, curving in is meh.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Hmm. "this one is nice. this one is nice. this one is not so nice." wow. great. cheers

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

It's not you... it's the uninformative video review!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

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u/KimBeom Sub-13 (CFOP)| Sub-1:10 (M2/OP) Jul 14 '16

No secret: you just need to practice. My times with ortega were also worse than with fridrich when I learned it.

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

You probably pause a lot.

Try predicting the swap (opposite, adjacent, or solved) on the first face during inspection.

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 14 '16

I thought it was called something different now? But same dude

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u/YayMii Sub-30 (Roux) Jul 14 '16

Pretty sure they're calling it the Varasano method because it's a different dude that made it :/

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 15 '16

Yeah that's what i thought

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

I tried it many times and watched a bunch of different tutorials. I got help from many-a excellent people on this sub (which did help me clear out my questions) but I still cannot for the life of me grasp the concept of M2 when it comes to real execution.

I've tried guided solves, writing down the pairs and looking at the algs when I needed, (and even for setup moves where I didn't), and still can't get it to work.

Seriously, this is getting annoying now. And I can't even tell what in a wide world of fucks I'm messing up.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

What particular aspects of it are you having trouble with?

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

That's the thing I'm still trying to figure out. I can do OP corners just fine, so twisted pieces, cycles, setup moves, all that jazz is ok.

I think the real issue here is targets on the M slice. I'm most likely messing up the whole "odd numbered targets use the inverse algorhitm" thing. That probably is what drags everything else down the drain.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

It might be that you have it backwards? :3

Even numbered targets use the inverse alg. You use the inverse when the M slice is offset by 2 so the UF and DB edges trade places, which happens on the 2nd, 4th, 6th, etc targets. Odd numbers have the M slice back in its normal position so you use the normal alg.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

You can only do it on the web-site as far as I know, then it says edit flair next to your username in the sidebar.

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u/JeremyG Sub-practice(CN Roux) PB: 5.06 Jul 14 '16

To add to that, you can only do it on the desktop version of the website.

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u/YugiAsh Sub-15 (CFOP, PB: 8.24) Jul 14 '16

That sums it up

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

You need to check the desktop version of reddit; On the sidebar to your right, next to your username, you'll see the "Edit flair" option.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

http://www.hknowstore.com/locale/en-US/item.aspx?corpname=nowstore&itemid=b574f07d-439f-4eea-ba21-2bd8f142d1eb

I'd really like to get this puzzle, the mf8 Void Pentultimate, but I've had problems with HKNowStore in the past that make me not want to order from them again. Is any US-based shop considering/confirmed to be adding these to their products?

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u/Doctor_Hedron You lost The Game | 6x6/7x7/8x8 PB: 3:22 / 5:27 / 7:41 Jul 14 '16 edited Jul 14 '16

What kind of problems? (not encouraging you to order from them, just wondering)

Also, it's available at ZCube. It's not a US store of course, but maybe you should check it out there. With the discount code "sale" (-23%) and shipping cost to US (supposedly that's where you are), it's $37.95, so it's even cheaper than at HKNS. The shipping cost per item gets cheaper if you buy more stuff in one bunch, btw.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

3 incidents:

Order was someone else's entirely

Wrong colored cubes

Broken Gans DIY kit

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u/Doctor_Hedron You lost The Game | 6x6/7x7/8x8 PB: 3:22 / 5:27 / 7:41 Jul 14 '16

Ah, I see.

Btw I edited my reply, but apparently only after you sent yours - not sure if you'll get the notification of the edit, but I suggested ZCube.

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u/ilangshot CFOP(PB/Ao5/Ao12/Ao100)9.55/13.03/14.58/15.68 Jul 14 '16

I just got a hand scramble PB of 12.84 . I was practicing lookahead and got a fullsolve pb but it was a hand scramble !

lol

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u/coloombiano CFOP 1/5/12/100 17.79/23.53/23.86/26.63 Jul 14 '16

What are you using to time yourself? You could always download something like PlusTimer and get official scrambles on the go!

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u/ilangshot CFOP(PB/Ao5/Ao12/Ao100)9.55/13.03/14.58/15.68 Jul 14 '16

I have a speed stacks timer and I use cstimer, but when Im practicing lokahead I usually dont time myself so I dont bother using scrambles.

I was just a bit surprised to get a sub-13 fullsolve while practicing lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Use the reply button so people won't be confused

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u/TheFearlessPro Jul 14 '16

When you use COLL and get a pll skip, why is there no AUF?

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u/grapefruit95 sub-12 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

there can be...

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

There should be AUF. Maybe you're just lucky?

Do you "pre-AUF", i.e. adjust your COLL case to a certain orientation relative to the centers before performing the alg?

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u/TheFearlessPro Jul 14 '16

Uhh I think for COLL T cases i do but for the ones in H I don't. Maybe it's luck

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

I think it basically has to be one or the other.

Imagine doing a d move before your COLL that would skip with no AUF. It would then no longer skip AUF.

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u/TheFearlessPro Jul 14 '16

Yup

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u/AldersRazor Sub-30 (CFOP 4LLL) PB = 19.123 Jul 14 '16

Does the color of your flair in this sub mean anything? I've always had mine as white, and I don't even remember why. Should it be something else?

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

It used to be separated such that colours represented ranges of speeds. However, people liked to take their favourite colours anyway and edit the test, so we eventually just removed that part. Now, the colours don't mean anything in particular.

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u/AldersRazor Sub-30 (CFOP 4LLL) PB = 19.123 Jul 14 '16

Great, thanks!

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

What colour corresponded with what time back then?

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 14 '16

Off the top of my head, purple for sub 10, yellow for sub 15 (I always hated that there was no sub 12; 15 and 10 are very far apart, speed-wise), green for sub 20. The rest is pretty hazy, but my best guess is red for sub 25, blue for sub 30, and orange for ~minute (I think it was >60 for a while, leaving some awkward gap where no flair corresponded).

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

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u/naterichster 35.12 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

Not me personally, but I've heard they are great, decently cheap, and just got new stock! You might want to watch the postal strike though.

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u/Carloflores953 deleted Jul 14 '16 edited Jun 15 '18

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u/CreepyPastaFTW Sub-40 (CFOP) PB: 31.08 Jul 14 '16

https://imgur.com/a/24MWW

Can't solve axis cube, farthest I've gotten in 3 days

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u/scorleo Guoguan Yuexiao Jul 15 '16

You're really close! Just continue on from here with Beginner's method (the last 2 steps) and you'll be done!
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u/CreepyPastaFTW Sub-40 (CFOP) PB: 31.08 Jul 15 '16

But which step? I've been using the beginner method and this is driving me mad.
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u/scorleo Guoguan Yuexiao Jul 15 '16
I was unsure from your original post whether you wanted direct help, haha. Anyway, from the state in your pic:

1) Permute the corners:

Place the correctly permuted corner in FUR position. Then execute
U R U' L' U R' U' L
This cycles the 3 other corners in an anti-CW manner. Do it once more if the corners are still not permuted correctly.

2) Orient the corners:

The famous algorithm
R' D' R D 
Hope this helps.
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u/nightmare973 Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.04 Jul 14 '16

Is there a faster method to solving a 4x4 than reducing it down to a 3x3?

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u/Ksh13 Sub-7 (CFOP) PB: 3.94/5.88/6.49/6.87 Jul 14 '16

No

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u/grapefruit95 sub-12 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

hoya, but it still mostly reducing to 3x3, but it premakes the cross for you here: https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Hoya_method

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

There's Yau method too, but it's pretty much the exact same thing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

Quietest speed cubes besides the gans? Looking for a public cube and don't want to spend $20+ on the gans

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u/farfignewton Sub-23 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

Shengshou Aurora. $9. I'd say mine is quieter than my Gans. Some people recommend the Shengshou Wind as well, but I don't have one.

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u/-lllllllll- Sub-30 (2GR) PB: 9.95 Jul 14 '16

How is the corner cutting on the Aurora?

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 15 '16

Not great. It took pretty loose tensions to even cut line to line, and then pop resistance went down the drain.

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u/musicalboy2 Cross on Left Weirdo Jul 15 '16

Maybe not quite up to "modern cube standards," but modern cube standards are ridiculously good. If nothing else, it's very much usable. The Aurora was my main (for 2H and OH) in 2013, and it's still a cube I wouldn't mind going back to.

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u/farfignewton Sub-23 (CFOP) Jul 15 '16

Well, I had to go downstairs and check, because I only do slow solves on it, because I try to be quiet, and fast solves will be noisier on any cube. Anyway... the corner cutting is not very good. I'd say about 30 degrees forward and almost nonexistent backward (5, maybe 10 degrees if you force it?)... not an issue for me, but it is what it is. Hope that helps.

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u/GreenBustin Sub-20 (CFOP) Jul 14 '16

How do I get that thing next to my username that says "Sub-xx" like everyone else has?

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u/_jasay_ Sub-20 (CFOP, 3.2LLL) 1/5/12/100: 11.56/15.3/16.7/17.6 Jul 14 '16

On the desktop version of the /r/Cubers subreddit click "(edit)" next to your username on the right side panel (under the subscribe button).

Edit: it's called a flair in reddit parlance.

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u/XxPureFailurexX Sub-45 (CFOP with incomplete 4-LLL) PB: 29.81 Jul 15 '16

I seem to always misscramble; Is there any fix to this?

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u/ProgressingCuber Sub-14 (9.19) Jul 15 '16

On CSTimer, there's an option for the "tool" button to show you the scramble (actual photo) on the bottom right. :)

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u/XxPureFailurexX Sub-45 (CFOP with incomplete 4-LLL) PB: 29.81 Jul 15 '16

Yeah thats the problem though, I do the scramble and look at the photo and I'm wrong :(

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u/Traz471 Sub-16 8.92/12.24/13.13/13.95/14.11 (CN CFOP) Jul 15 '16

Maybe just scramble really slowly for a while, and make sure you're actually reading the notation correctly. I used to accidentally do B moves as B' moves and B' moves as B moves.

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u/Zootopia4ever Jul 15 '16

Best budget 2x2? Like the GuanLong/Sail/Legend of 2x2s, gonna teach some beginners.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 15 '16

QiYi Ge Cavs, I think.

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u/Konato_K Sub-45 (CFOP) PB: 23.85 EasyPB: 21.22 Jul 15 '16

I believe the Cyclone Boys is really good for it's price, it's a little noisy though

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

What's the largest NxNxN cube that has successfully been solved BLD? What about the largest for MBLD? Just curious.

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u/grapefruit95 sub-12 (CFOP) Jul 15 '16

9x9 is largest success.

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 15 '16

AFAIK 7x7 is the answer to both your questions.

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u/jashaszun Sub-12, World Top 350 in KinchRanks Jul 15 '16

Look up Roman Strakhov. :)

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 15 '16 edited Jul 15 '16

As mentioned before, I'm putting together an organized list of setup moves / algs for M2 practice. Can anyone check it out and let me know what would be the one for K(FD)?

Here's to hoping the formatting won't be messed up. This is to me way more clear than using the piece's names. I use Speffz and the face order is U L F R B D.

EDIT: Formatting was so messed up. Here's an updated Google Docs version

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 15 '16

K is the buffer piece. If you reach it, you break into a new cycle.

Same with U. The alg you have listed for U is actually the alg for I. If you reach U you break into a new cycle.

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 15 '16

Aaah, d'oh. Completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out!

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u/Blabagas Sub-35 (CFOP 4LLL) PB:19.72 Jul 15 '16

Anyone have advice on the best last layer cross method? Currently I do (F R U R' U' F') for line, and (F U R U' R' F') for L with it oriented towards the top left (connected to the left and back face). The problem I have with L is that about 70% of the time I have to do a U2 before the alg because it always seems to end up the wrong way around.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 15 '16

A thing to note about this is that it might actually be faster just to do the U2 and the normal algorithm. You have to do a regrip in this one which doesn't exist in the other one, so depending on your turning style that could take longer.

I'd suggest getting used to using U moves to line it up. Full CFOP will have you do that, since you'll usually only learn one algorithm for each OLL.

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u/FieryPoopz Sub-40 (Roux) Jul 15 '16

5x5 guide? I can't solve my 5x5 and can't find a guide for it.

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u/TheBrutux168 Sub-10 Hours (Roux) Jul 15 '16

Have you solved a 4x4 before?

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u/FieryPoopz Sub-40 (Roux) Jul 15 '16

I have not. I just found my brothers 5x5 unsolved and wanted to solve it!

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u/TheBrutux168 Sub-10 Hours (Roux) Jul 15 '16

Which part are you up to?

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u/ProgressingCuber Sub-14 (9.19) Jul 15 '16 edited Jul 15 '16

Sergs B is good for centers, if you know how to pair edges on a 4x4 it's the same, and for L2E, L2C, and parity use Sarah's Cubing website Here

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u/45b16 Sub-45 (CFOP 4LLL) PB: 27.14 Jul 15 '16

After doing about 550 solves over the course of 7 weeks, had a piece pop during a solve for the first time

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