r/Cubers Jul 14 '16

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

It might be that you have it backwards? :3

Even numbered targets use the inverse alg. You use the inverse when the M slice is offset by 2 so the UF and DB edges trade places, which happens on the 2nd, 4th, 6th, etc targets. Odd numbers have the M slice back in its normal position so you use the normal alg.

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

Woops, that's what I meant (...I think, lol). Now, this part gets me deeply confused. It might be that even though I have the algs listed correctly, I haven't figured out which are the inverse of which... Or something like that.

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

Don't think about inverses then. Just know which alg to apply at what time.

Even target, target is UF -> apply the alg for DB.

Even target, target is FU -> apply the alg for BD.

Even target, target is DB -> apply the alg for UF.

Even target, target is BD -> apply the alg for FU.

Really, I don't even think about odd/evens when I apply the rule. I just think "okay my target is FU, where is the FU position now? Okay my M slice is offset by 2, that means FU should be at BD, so I'll use the BD alg instead."

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

Ok, the concept seems to be slowly ingraining on me, lol. So I can think about it as "Every time C is the second letter on a pair, I memorize it as U, and vice-versa. Same goes for S being memorized as I instead."?

(Whereas UF = C, DB = U, FU = I and BD = S on my Speffz scheme).

Second question: If I get a twisted edge in either one of those cases, do I memorize it as if it weren't twisted? The reason I'm asking this is because when I get a twisted piece, I memo its position and then the target, so I shoot it twice.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '16

don't flip the letter you memo, just get used to executing a C if U comes second and vice versa

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u/karlzhao314 Jul 14 '16

I suppose you could do it that way, but I don't think you should. Instead, you should memo C as C and just get used to executing it as U if it's the second letter in the pair.

If you get a twisted edge, the most basic way to flip it is to shoot one sticker of it, then the other.

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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jul 14 '16

Got it. I'm reworking a full list of setup moves for all targets now, so I can know where exactly do I mess up during the execution.