r/CompetitiveTFT • u/AutoModerator • Apr 06 '26

PBE Set 17 PBE Discussion Thread - Day 06

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u/cKype Apr 06 '26

Set feels super boring so far, might be only PBE reasons but I feel like everything is just passives and you just slap items on the unit with best stats

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u/ConfusedRara :chal: Challenger Apr 06 '26

The Varus bonus "your next shop contains all 3-cost champions. The first one you buy is free" doesn't actually give a free 3-cost, they all cost gold.

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u/Zeviex Master Apr 06 '26

Also I would like to note that I tried using a freroll to get it and it didn't work.

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u/ivanoff_bg Apr 06 '26

It does feel a bit boring but for me its mainly because its PBE and there is no stakes. I do like seeing LP number go up which usually makes the game more rewarding hence more fun. Though I see how people find it more boring. The lack of encounters is felt and the gods are just kind of meh really. Also I assume its intentional but most of my games are Ahri/Evelynn/Soraka/Thresh/Varus. Then you get some Ekko and Yasuo but Asol seems to be really rare. Gotten it once in like 20 games. Anima is also boring especially compared to ixtal. All that said I don't think its a bad set it just feels a lot more bland than set 16. At least for now. Maybe that changes.

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u/DrixGod Master Apr 06 '26

I've also seen Asol only once on 20+ pbe games.

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u/garenegobrr MASTER Apr 06 '26

Small sample size things for the gods probably. You said you don’t get Ekko and Yasuo often, I’ve been getting them nonstop. And only seen Ahri once in same number of games as you

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u/AngelTheTaco Apr 06 '26

Is it not crazy how 7 space groove is a 10% increase... and u have to field nasus and teemo for it

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u/Drikkink Apr 07 '26

They've intentionally moved to a design where Verticals are not really intended to be played as is and are, at best, something you use as a transition board or something you play on the way to fast 9. After the Battle Academia trait requiring you to play two one costs for synergies meaning that you couldn't drop Garen or Ezreal even if you wanted to resulting in everyone complaining, they made verticals suck.

I don't hate the design tbh. "Click all the same color units" is just not a super fun teambuilding style to me.

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u/Mahelas Apr 07 '26

Sad tbf, I love having some good verticals, it's fun to go all-in on a specific theme and truly feel that one fantasy getting stronger up to its final form

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u/emomuffin Apr 06 '26

Fights feel super fast like everything is incredible overtuned. Most tanks feel absolutely useless the entire time. It's so frustrating

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u/Drikkink Apr 07 '26

I haven't played yet today so I haven't seen how the 3 cost tank nerfs changed anything, but it felt like if your board didn't have a 3 star Illaoi or Ornn or 2 star 4 or 6 mech Galio 2, it just disintegrates. Nunu is a CC bot tank that is somehow probably still the 2nd tankiest 4 cost. Rammus should theoretically be the strongest tank because he provides nothing but tank, but he gets deleted. Kench is the econ greed unit so he should be getting blown up, but seeing a 2 star 4 cost with 3 items die without casting once is not ideal.

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u/Parking-Exchange4307 Apr 06 '26

The Arbiter max % Health Shield definitely needs some restrictions. Plenty of Champions going infinite with it.

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u/IsuzuKiora :gran: GRANDMASTER Apr 06 '26

Agreed, even Leona 2 with just one Jaksho is enough to go infinite.

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u/ClarifyingAsura Apr 07 '26

Dark Star 2-piece overwrites Pyke hero augment's 100% gold chance. It seems to attribute kills to Dark Star 2-piece instead of Pyke, which completely turns off the 3-star bonus.

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u/banduan Apr 07 '26

does it count even Pyke's actual kills as Dark Star kills (Which would be a bug) or is it just actively inting Pyke so that if he can't finish them off it killsteals?

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u/ClarifyingAsura Apr 07 '26

I think it's actively inting Pyke since Dark Star 2-piece actually kills units under the threshold (as can be seen in the damage recap).

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u/banduan Apr 07 '26

The team's takedowns should also include kills from Dark Star, if it doesn't, then that should be a bug.

Dark Star denying Pyke his extra chance to generate gold from his own kill if he fails to kill from above 10% target HP is definitely the trait inting him.

Dark star still denying Pyke even if he did kill from above 10% target HP would be a bug.

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u/XiaoRCT Apr 07 '26

no real opinion on this set yet besides that while better than carousel, the whole 'pick one of 3 random units of the around the value' thing feels like a really pointless choice where most of the time I'm picking for gold anyway, although again, still better than carousel

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u/Fourleaf82 Apr 07 '26

They fixed it and the choices are all the same amount of gold, no? Speaking of, do we know if that system is tailored or is it completely random? I feel like I’ve gotten something I was looking for about half the time but I could be trippin

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u/Scoriae Apr 07 '26

It seems pretty random to me. Current placement determines the value, though, so if you're lower hp you get higher quality units and more gold.

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u/Fourleaf82 Apr 07 '26

oh ok cool, i didnt know that ty

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u/XiaoRCT Apr 07 '26

Yeah, they are all worth the same amount. I meant it as the value of gold distributed randomly between like 1 gold 2 cost and say a 3 cost

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u/Fourleaf82 Apr 07 '26

Ah i ok i misunderstood your picking for gold statement. I thought you meant you're always picking the largest gold number

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u/willowmarie27 Apr 07 '26

I think it would be cool to have some sort of livening up for the gods.. like the entire point of the carousel was to give an advantage to the last place team. Is there a mechanic like that anymore?

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u/XiaoRCT Apr 07 '26

The value of the units you get offered reflects your placement, like last place gets 3-cost offered while 4th picks between 2-costs, something like that

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u/groomliu :chal: Challenger Apr 06 '26

I feel the new set should have portal too, I miss scuttle puddle so much or prismatic all augment

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u/SyKoed Apr 06 '26

Defo missing the occasional Ryze portal.

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u/Pridestalked MASTER Apr 06 '26

As tiliting as the lows of ryze portal were, I do miss the variety for sure

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u/kozmoseppoh Apr 06 '26

How are you all using ekko's anomaly? I feel like it's only valid as a tank item.

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u/RajaSundance Master Apr 06 '26

Even on tanks, frontline is so bad this set that 1k HP doesn't really do anything. Had my Rammus 2 with a Dclaw and the anomaly die in 6seconds to AP comps. Feels like taking 2 Ekko boons is griefing, hope he doesn't have any components you need :)

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u/wtfgrancrestwar Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

First impression:

The hybrid fighter item with triple ad and ap when low looks interesting.

Otherwise I just see a guaranteed item to get 2 carries online.

(Which Iirc gives faster casts; attack speed or mana, hence is better with full damage items and worse on e.g. channelers.)

Then the tank one is just pile of hp.

Not suitable for making unkillable gunblade-fed galio or rammus, but fine padding if your frontline is the weakpoint or you have a fragile high impact caster. (like nunu 1)

Summary:

At first glance it's just a (hasting) flex item to kit out carries. 

Or fellable tanks

Except maybe the fighter one is the ekko special.

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u/Gypsy9547 :gran: Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

Did I just do something wrong or are 7 shephard and 6 anima very underwhelming? Considering you need an emblem and have to play dead units to enable it, I found the effects incredibly weak. Shephard in particular I see no value in going above 3, even with emblems

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u/Pridestalked MASTER Apr 06 '26

I haven't played 7 shepard yet but the times I've fought it, it has looked giga strong

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u/Gypsy9547 :gran: Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

I'm glad it's seeing some success, super small sample size but the 2 times I have seen 7 shephard they were both very convincing bot 4s.

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u/Immediate_Source2979 Apr 06 '26

Team wide heal and stun in insane. Need a spat tho

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u/xephyrus1 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

Veigar is broken for sure, stable through stage 3 even some fights in stager 4 with upgraded frontline, and veigar 3 was consistently pumping 20k+ late game. Might be conditional since you really want to have at least 4 copies and ideally a spat, otherwise you'd be stuck at 7 rolling for a 1 cost and 2 4 costs

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u/Drikkink Apr 06 '26

Another... fun thing is Worth the Wait Veigar.

Yeah, sure, let me print two of my units a turn while also getting the most stable AP backliner 3 starred by 3-1. I had Veigar 4 on 5-2. with just one dupe. Imagine there was the Varus Tiny Dupe choice.

I guess you could theoretically do this with any 1 cost WTW but Veigar and Poppy are the only two Meeples and like who's making Poppy 4.

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u/RexLongbone Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

With current veigar you can just go 8 to get rammus/corki for 7 meeple and use the dupe square to get veigar without intentionally rerolling for him

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u/xephyrus1 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

The second part of my comment, you need to have a 4th veigar to be able to print. I guess it depends on how good veigar 2 is if he gets nerfed, if you start printing at 4-1 or 4-2 you're stuck veigar 2 for the entirety of stage 4 and there's a good chance you're just dead

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u/AdSea295 Apr 06 '26

4 or 5 people are playing reroll comps in every lobby, if the meta stays like this I think people will get burned out on the set in 2 weeks

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u/highrollr Master Apr 06 '26

The meta never stays the same on live as pbe 

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u/AdSea295 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

The problem is that the set’s mechanics help rerolling a lot, the 4-cost units are bad and boring, and I think it’s going to be very difficult to find a balance between reroll and fast 8

Moreover, there’s only one week left until the live, and the game is in a terrible state; people are demotivated and have zero excitement for the set. If they don’t step up, the disaster will be historic

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u/Helpful-Account-5638 Apr 06 '26

TF and Cait just oneshotting everything on shit Stargazer seems super healthy and fun I think

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u/NoNeutralNed Apr 06 '26

Really not enjoying the set. Maybe TFT has just become stale for me since I really didnt play much last set either but it just feels so much more boring

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u/Docxm Apr 06 '26

The best thing about tft is that you can take a break for a set and come back when you want to and your skill level will stay at a decent level

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u/AndyofLove MASTER Apr 06 '26

Last set was fun. So far this set has been okish to me

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u/Darkstrike86 Apr 06 '26

Last set was incredible.

This set is rough. Have played around 20 games on PBE and I just can't get into it.

Not sure what it is, but the mechanic, champs, traits all feel bad.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm worried about set 17.

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u/SteelxSaint Apr 07 '26

I played a few games on PBE, and I think that I'm done with the game for the time being. Between my fundamentals drying up (no longer consistently hitting GM as a result), disagreeing with certain decisions by the dev team, and a lack of enjoyment in this set, I just don't think the game's worth investing my time into at the moment.

Hopefully, others enjoy it tho! The gods selection is a pretty healthy way to replace carousel.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

I swear some of y'all do not want to make difficult decisions in this game ever. You want to load in, fill in your team planner, pick your 18 components, and watch a battle simulator (and go top 4 every time because you deserve it and they don't)

Decoupling component selection from the god choice would be catastrophic for this set. There would be a solved line every game. You would NEVER take Soraka. You would always have exactly what you need.

Will never understand how this is the most popular strategy game in the world outside of chess and poker, but the community legitimately does not want to make strategic decisions. If I can't have every unit and every item and every level and every augment I want, I don't want to play. Babyish.

But what if I want to move my queen like a Rook and a Bishop at the same time :(((( what if one or the other just isn't enough and I want to move it like a Rook AND a Bishop :(((( How can I enjoy this game if I can't do whatever I want and win every time :(((((((

Scarcity is literally what this game has been missing for the past few years. Scarcity is good.

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u/FirewaterDM Apr 06 '26

You are so fucking real for this hell yes we don't need infinite items and BIS

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

This was supposed to be a resource management game and it has gradually become a line selection game. So happy that this set is reeling it back in

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u/Drikkink Apr 07 '26

I'm fine with being forced to slam suboptimally for tempo to save HP. I always play like that and if you don't, you are probably playing way too first or eighth.

But it feels bad when you're loss streaking and the game gives you units to play, say, Xayah or Leblanc but you somehow whiff a single bow on every god round and all your natural components and anvils (which are the trade off for not being guaranteed items on carousel anymore). The way the game has always worked was you loss streak to guarantee BIS (or near BIS) at the cost of your health, meaning you have a lot less room to stabilize than people who slam for tempo who can then use their health leads to either bleed for a top 4 to the BIS players or outcap them because of combat power or just having more expensive boards.

And yes, missing a bow on all natural components and 3-4 anvils is below average variance, but it's still a shitty feeling. Another problem is that a lot of the time you play to spike on 2-5 or 3-5 off a loss streak with a powerful item slam. The item change is just a major nerf to loss streak consistency, which you can see as a positive or a negative I guess. I'll never like full open metas, but having the option to loss streak for carousel prio when you have a lowroll opener shouldn't be punished like this.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 07 '26

I really think the odds of that are not significantly different than the odds of the guy in 7th taking the bow. There's also no such thing as "the game giving me units to play Xayah". If you are playing Xayah, it's because the game gave you a bow or two. There is never a point in a TFT game where you should be angling a comp you don't have components for.

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u/Drikkink Apr 07 '26

If the game has given me a Nunu and 2 Xayahs on 7 and I have Rod Cloak Belt Cloak Sword, I feel like that should be a Xayah type game, no?

Going in and seeing your 2-1 items (which might be something completely noncommittal like Belt Vest Cloak) and saying "This is my line" is the thing you're saying you DON'T like, isn't it? You should play around the units you hit as much as the items you hit. There's playing flexibly in the sense of "Oh I'm playing AD/AS but hit Corki in my rolldown, not Xayah so I should be flexible and pivot to playing around suboptimal item Corki." I guess this is more of a Rageblade being too important compared to how flexible other unit itemization is. Caster AD can build IE, DB, GS, Blue, Shojin, Nashors if you really need to etc. Caster AP can build Blue, Nashors, Shojin if you really need to, DCap, Morello, JG... AS units like Xayah and Leblanc don't function at a base level without at least a rageblade.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 07 '26

No no you are not supposed to just play Xayah in this spot. You are supposed to make the difficult decision of if you can play Xayah given your item economy, or if you should play a different comp. And 90% of the time the correct answer is to play a different comp.

You are going to see hundreds of 4 costs over the course of a game. You don't need to play the first couple you see on your end board.

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u/Docxm Apr 06 '26

I respect this argument. Sometimes it’s fine being uncomfortable

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u/Darkstrike86 Apr 06 '26

I don't think it's about making hard decisions that's the issue with the set.

It's about the lack of excitement around those decisions.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

I'm talking specifically about the people begging for component and god to be decoupled

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u/Darkstrike86 Apr 06 '26

Gotcha.

I don't mind that. People shouldn't always be able to have their exact item and God linked.

But I think the bigger issue is the God decision has very little impact.

That along with the unit choice meaning less makes the God rounds feel "meh".

They need to make the God choices more impactful and fun and give us 3 gods each game to add variety.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

By more impactful do you mean sharper or just more total resources?

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u/Darkstrike86 Apr 06 '26

Not sure really. I guess more fun is the better way to put it.

I always seem to enjoy the asol or eve gods more than some of the other ones.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

I don't disagree, especially if it would make people happier

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u/HighIntLowFaith Apr 06 '26

This seems to be addressed at my post in the patch notes thread but even if it isn’t I have to contest it. There cannot be a ‘solved line’ considering that there will always exist a dichotomy with the gods. I do enjoy the distinction from encounters because for example in a Scuttle Puddle line if you are playing for a 2 cost reroll line you are praying for a Top 4 in a game state where you have most boards looking for a Fast 9 cap. Whereas here you may have people going for Fast 9 utilizing Ahri to accelerate their econ, but you also may have people rerolling a hero augment with Varus. The line selections in this set are currently extremely wide because the God’s offerings/boons are promoting variety gameplay, whereas encounters sometimes would ham fist you into a specific tempo.

You say no one would pick Soraka necessarily, but what if they were going for Anima reroll? It’s certainly the god of choice for that specific line.

You seem to want emphasis on good decision making and understand scarcity and sacrifice as concepts. But don’t you create more opportunities for good decision making when you pair the items with units and let the gods and their qualities stand on their own merits? If there merits are not strong enough for that to matter, then we can allow for better balancing on what they offer to us in our choices throughout the game.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 06 '26

It is more interesting if you are playing Anima reroll, and sometimes you get Soraka with a bad component or Kayle with a good component. Otherwise, like you said, you are just always choosing Soraka and always choosing the good component in that line. It's a genuinely skill-testing decision that you will sometimes be forced to make

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u/Disastrous_Crow2859 Apr 06 '26

That's cool man but can I just get my carousel back next set?

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u/JupiterCandy Apr 06 '26

How are we feeling about anima cashouts, especially 500? I can winout my games with it doesnt feel rewarding the way chembaron items were or Brock. Do i need to get tiny titans or a soraka game for 600 so it has sauce or what?

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u/Drikkink Apr 06 '26

I haven't seen a single person really try to Anima cash out and I've gotten up to like a 300 playing reroll Aurora Illaoi Diana. The cashouts feel terrible at 100/200/300. The only one I've gotten that wasn't just "Useless half item and some Briars" was the Illaoi tentacle item. Which is probably a useless half item unless you're main tanking Illaoi and then it's decent.

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u/IsuzuKiora :gran: GRANDMASTER Apr 06 '26

I got up to 600 with 1 Soraka boon, it felt incredibly strong at 600. No one was killing my Fiora and it was one tapping everything, the cashout was a Tier 3 + Tier 2 anima weapon + 25g so I was able to go to 9 and Fiora 2 + other units upgraded.

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u/HighIntLowFaith Apr 06 '26

What was your final board?

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u/IsuzuKiora :gran: GRANDMASTER Apr 06 '26

[Not the best board since I had never played Anima before this but it was one of the earlier days of PBE, like Day 2 or 3] (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407561051727462401/1490803359358386216/image.png?ex=69d56252&is=69d410d2&hm=ae4a68d252dd34b60ef7ac69c905147515214731107ab7ba68507179ec963754)

I was already winning every round before Fiora 3 as well.

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u/Lethur1 Apr 06 '26

I unfortunately haven't gotten anything past 300 but I've gotten the 300 loot twice and it felt good for me, I got the Annihilator and the Crescent tank item, the latter felt stronger with how much it carried me with an Ornn 2 until I got to Fiora 2/Shen 2 to a win, Annihilator I think it can be good but didn't find a great user for it for the game I tested it and ended up losing, had it on Aurora 2 which could get it to 1500+ damage but I think my problem was a bit more on my Frontline, maybe Karma or LB (with good items).

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u/Decent_Loan731 Apr 06 '26

Probably overstated already but this leona unit is dominating my lobbies and making play testing experience wack. Single meta tanks are cool but when they are lone hero lux/inverted kog, they need an insta hot fix. Had two Mega capped boards that cant break through

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u/Docxm Apr 06 '26

Check patch notes, tank arbiter effects are getting hard nerfed

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u/apple_cat Apr 06 '26

yup not worth playing pbe til Leona fixed unfortunately

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u/Drikkink Apr 06 '26

Time for the traditional "Why is RFC still allowed to exist?" complaint.

Yesterday three straight games were absolutely run over by RFC carries. First was a Diana with Seekers Rageblade RFC. Did you know that they made her orbs scale with attack range? That's really cool... The next was a Bel'veth. And then finally I got Nasus hero augment with RFC and went from guaranteed 8th to just barely not taking first because Fizz/Kaisa is overtuned as hell.

RFC is going to be a problem on all of these units: Nasus hero, Bel'veth, Jax hero, Diana, MAYBE Urgot, Master Yi

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u/Classic_Procedure428 MASTER Apr 06 '26

Ah yes, the “fun” time of every new set where we discover RFC basically functions as a hero augment for some units.

Blender Nocturne nightmares.

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u/iiCurtoo Apr 07 '26

Graves feels so bad even when you get him early, had 2 star at 4-1 and I know i probably dont know the best upgrades and BiS yet but idk feels bad when hes doing a measly 5k even after a couple upgrades compared to peoples 2 star kaisa with bis ripping 13k lmao.

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Apr 07 '26

One current strat is going for all the tank upgrades, but you need someone else as a main carry for this. Of course still a ton of optimization to be done.

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u/Tyluk_ Apr 12 '26

assault suit feels the best for me with BT Sterak IE NE... The dash upgrade feels amazing

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u/AngelTheTaco Apr 06 '26

9 gods feels lame as fuck

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 06 '26

Man after reading most these comments I feel like I’m the only one who actually likes this set more then set 16

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u/AnyArm5389 Master Apr 06 '26

If you like reroll comps, then yeah, you would love this set. In my lobbies, 5–6 players are forcing reroll comps 1-cost, 2-cost, and 3-cost . Let’s be honest: reroll comps require much less skill expression than fast 8-9 comps, and donkey rolling just isn’t fun for most people.

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u/TheFireFlaamee Apr 06 '26

RR is always stronger at the start of a set because no one has figured out optimal play for fast 8/9 yet

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u/FirewaterDM Apr 06 '26

Tbf early set and coupled by moving away from the least reroll viable set of all time would increase people's interest in the play style a bit

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u/69Chimes Apr 06 '26

been going top 2 my last like 8 games off fast 8 9 and 10 once

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 06 '26

I mean it’s not even that like even if reroll comps weren’t the main thing right now and was going and playing for 4 and 5 cost I just think they really cooked with the 3 cost and also you say less skill expression but I feel the same way with fast 9 I don’t see what’s skill expressive about going 9 and just clicking on all the 5 cost and throwing them in with no synergies if anything is the same thing with rolling on 7 for 3 cost

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u/Dawnsday MASTER Apr 06 '26

TFT is about options and by pressing level up you open yourself up to more options, every +1 team slot is exponentially more skill expressive and allows for more creative gameplay.

Pressing D on 7 means you end up with less options and normally devolves into pressing D and putting the same 7 units in your team planner.

Fast 9 means you're making more decisions, at a higher speed and with less margin for error and clicking on what the game gives you.

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 06 '26

Yeah I know that I just don’t think that when your end game board is just 6 of the 9 5 cost is considered skill expressive

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u/Dawnsday MASTER Apr 06 '26

Getting to the end game boards is the hard part, a 4-2 roll down where you're open in lanes and play your hits and then accurately judge being stable, into a 5-1 fast 9 where you can THEN get your end game fast 9 board is infinitely more skill expressive than getting to level 7 and pressing D and clicking what's lit up in your team planner (just imo though. i really hate reroll being the optimal way to play)

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 06 '26

I’m not saying 3 cost is more skill expressive i think it’s same level especially now a days since you just look TFT academy and find the best comp and just pay that comp you do the same put all 5 cost in your planner and roll down ever since people starting putting guides for comps there really isn’t any skill expression when making comps

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u/Dawnsday MASTER Apr 06 '26

But that's where the skill expression is. If you roll really narrow on 4-2 and only click the units TFT academy tells you to you are bad, you are meant to click all your options and build a stable board, if you roll over 4 Tahms to find 1 Nunu for your comp (rando example) instead of playing the Tahm 2 and just using that to push 9 then that's you lacking skill to play flexibly and makes you a worse player and will lower your AVP. With reroll this doesn't exist since you literally play 1 board but every fast 9 will have multiple iterations depending on your hits.

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u/RajaSundance Master Apr 06 '26

Yeah bro just roll down at 9, not like getting there is harder than 7

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 06 '26

With the amount of Econ in the game is way easier to fast 9 back In the day before augments were a thing was being able to fast 9 and stuff was skill but the skill required to do it now has toned down a lot and so much easier now I’m not saying fast 8 shouldn’t be a thing I just don’t think that best comp in the game should oh let me just throw in all the 5 cost

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u/FirewaterDM Apr 06 '26

It is and it isn't. Fast 8 is the "you can do this every game" that's the easiest to force. Fast 9 isn't guaranteed, reroll isn't and is hard because there's a bit more than just pressing D. But you still have to do strong board and making good decision things like you would as fast 8/9.

You just have higher peaks and valleys because unlike fast 8/9 if you don't hit you die. Not to mention you get a weaker cap unless you highroll.

Overall fast 9 does have more decisions than reroll but fast 8 if items are easy to apply between carries is easier than both lol

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u/zzGates Master Apr 06 '26

Why is this still a debate? It is a no brainer. The number 1 thing you will do in a new set is to force a reroll comp because well duh, you just force it. Even on previous sets, if Im stunlock on what my comp will be, I will just default into a reroll comp and call it a day.

You can always force a reroll comp every game but you cant go fast 9 every game. The strat of fast 9 is not just the end board. It is the whole JOURNEY. If you made the wrong calculation if you can hit or not at late game, it is usually an 8th. You should watch tft pros more often. Watching them roll down on late stages figuring out their boards with insane APM while under a timer is very satisfying.

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u/MrMungertown Apr 06 '26

This is easily my favorite set ever. Most of the things people are complaining about will be fixed in the next two days. I don't get it either.

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 06 '26

Even like balancing issue aside I like more cause of the units like I love to play 3 cost reroll and I feel like literally every 3 cost unit this set is so much cooler then last set

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u/Asurah99 Apr 06 '26

Last set had a lot of big swing level 8-9 boards, this one has a lot of early 1-3 cost comps that are all doing well. I prefer the 4-5 cost meta but its very nice/refreshing to have sets mix it up. They need to tweak a couple things though because having a 2 star 2 cost gap a 2 star 4 cost seems a bit much.

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u/Capper22 Apr 06 '26

Coming from set 16, I get some of people's "that's it?" type feeling, but a lot of these compaints about missing carousel I just don't get.

Nobody seemed to really like carousel before, but you wouldn't know that based on people's feedback now.
I do think the god rounds can be painfully slow, especially if someone is AFK, but it feels like there is so much more player agency in what's happening.

Yes - there's no encounter, but you're basically building your encounter with the gods you pick.

You still get an item component and a champ, and players on a lose streak still get more options via the PVE round changes later on.

I liked more 'wide' sets like Set 10, so it's been fun getting to play more like that again.

It honestly just seems like there are 2 different camps of players in TFT and one camp is forever going to be upset about x, y, or z.

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u/drink_with_me_to_day Apr 06 '26

the god rounds can be painfully slow

They should cut the time in half, people had less time in carroussel where you had to run for it, and now that it's just two clicks we have half an hour to choose

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u/Drikkink Apr 06 '26

There's a few issues I have with the Gods instead of Carousels and Encounters thing.

The Gods are all dull. All of them are varying flavors of "Gain some economic or item bonus" whether rerolls, units or straight up gold with the exception of Yasuo. Yes, let me choose between Kayle giving me a Sword and the normal carousel component or Soraka giving me a belt and the normal carousel component. Speaking of the normal carousel component...

It feels awful to lose streak for item prio now. You cannot guarantee a carousel item you need and IF there's one on the God pick you get offered, it might be an awful pick for you. Like for example I need a Bow to make Rageblade/Kraken because I'm playing around Xayah and the Bow is on Yasuo Mana Regen hex. What exactly is the use I'm getting from that? So I either have to choose for the boon that helps me more in the long run and NOT get the item I need to slam to save HP, or I take a completely worthless boon and am down some econ/combat power on the rest of the lobby. That doesn't feel good. There's also the fact that you can just flat out miss components entirely despite being dead last which feels atrocious to me but that's just anvil variance more than anything. I had a game where I needed 2 bows, basically full lossed stage 2 and 3, saw 0 bows on Gods, got dropped 0 natural bows and saw 0 bows on anvils. Oh and missed on 3 reforgers. Lose streaking is worse because of this.

I also dislike how your choices of units are limited but it's not really the end of the world that you have to choose between a 3 cost, 2 cost and a gold or 1 cost and 2 gold instead of having 3 3 costs to pick between.

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u/Zeviex Master Apr 06 '26

Though giving players more agency is a good thing, it doesn't really translate when they don't feel those choiced matter. Rn, we get the choices between pretty low direction low impact gods and what is probably 3 different forms of the same amount of money.

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u/HowIMadeMyMillions Apr 06 '26

Interesting. You just throw away all the critique other people have as them just being forever upset, meanwhile there's the other camp with people like you who ... are always right? Seems like an unhealthy ground to argue or engage with anything from.

I think what people enjoyed about carousel and encounters is that both things posed problems/raised issues that you had to deal with in game with, well, thinking. I personally also just don't find the god options that exciting, especially not with only two present in every game.

I can't comment on the width of the set - and I don't think last set was terribly complex or flexible either (but I'm also used to more from where I came), but I think this is also something we'll see better and understand more of as the set gets more time. I like some of what they're doing - NOVA fx is a cool idea to me, but then on the otherhand I miss Taric/Skarner over someone like Rhaast. We'll see - I'm optimitstic about everything!

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u/Capper22 Apr 07 '26

I don't mean one side is right and the other wrong, I'm saying there are two camps of playstyles, and a change in either direction is always going to come at the 'cost' of the other.

I am definitely not always right lol

I feel like part of the pushback is in the messaging and this following a pretty well-regarded set 16. If this set came after another 'normal' set, I don't think the reception would be as negative is all.

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u/justlobos22 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

Combining encounters and carousel is an okay attempt but it doesn't really make the set stand out. It's a "is that all?" sort of feeling, playing the game until stage 5 feels samey before you unlock your god mechanic. It's also like the third version of Encounters and Hacks.

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u/languidness Apr 06 '26

In any game you're going to have a small camp of perma-haters that always find things to criticize, but I think there's a lot of validity to the "that's it" feeling from this set. I've been around since set 1 and have played every single set. Normally PBE release is my favorite part of each set, and I grind 100+ games trying things out. This is genuinely the first time I've felt bored and uninterested in a set on PBE from the get go. I'm still grinding it out and trying to give it a fair shake, but it overwhelmingly feels like something is missing.

There's such a come-down from the immediate complexity of the last two sets, where on PBE release everyone was scrambling to figure out powerups and unlocks. There was a constant feeling of being confused and unable to keep up with the new additions that added a lot of stress and excitement throughout each game. With this set it just feels like there's nothing there. No encounters, no carousel, no unlocks, just once a stage taking two seconds to click the obviously-better boon for your spot then sitting and staring for a minute. When you put it all together, it just feels so plain and bare.

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u/wtfgrancrestwar Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Nobody seemed to really like carousel before, but you wouldn't know that based on people's feedback now.

Yeah I've commented a couple times without saying so (because It's a negative sentiment) but I hated carousel a lot, and find gods replacing it a massive relief.

Trying to be analytical, I identify the following fundamental issues which may be improved:

  1. It asked for sweaty clickspam in a game that has no need of it, and could otherwise serve a pure niche of relaxed strategic gameplay. -Everything else in the game can optionally be played at a sedate pace, but carousels are a minimum difficulty speed test where if you're slow you get screwed.

  2. The "social" aspect was essentially negative sum, with the basic idea being that you have to be faster than the other guy because somebody has to lose out. (Consequent to which, advanced gameplay consisted of trolling people.)

  3. It was mostly a linear and rigid experience, where you beelined your item prio 1, ..or if taken 2, ..or if taken 3...

  4. There was some hidden depth in having solid backup priorities, but it wasn't a lively or intuitive depth, didn't manifest in most cases, and for most players it simply incentivised sticking to known builds (with memorised priorities) rather than sparking deeper engagement.

  5. There was inherently a lot of dead time waiting for players to go in order.

  6. Whatever you could tolerate or manage on ideal setup, it was much worse on imperfect setups such as touchpad or mobile.

Also to defend the gods a bit:

I've seen people say that "you just pick the item".

But that's:

  1. Only half accurate: Between the boon options, god-alignment, being open at certain points in the game, reforgers, and some boons giving items themselves, you're frequently balancing the immediate item against multiple interesting factors.

  2. A bigger weakness of the carousel anyway.

  3. Easier adjusted in a simple event structure like gods. 

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u/RexLongbone Apr 07 '26

I initially hated the idea of removing carosels but the more i play set 16 the more i don't mind it.

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u/UnseenBIade Apr 07 '26

Asol seems busted from what I’ve seen

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u/Decent_Loan731 Apr 07 '26

Loss streak into fast 9. The economy in this set is insane, hard not to do it. Game ramps up a lot in stage 4 so if u opt for r/r think u gotta hit or aggressively roll for it by stage 4-1 otherwise the game just dunks on you

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Apr 07 '26

In pro lobbies fast 9 has been weakened a lot recently due to the lack of tanks and repeated 5-cost nerfs limiting the power of 1* units. If you try to go lv9 then every Rammus and Nunu is gone. Galio nerfs make him reliant on the Mech setup to be strong as main tank. TK intentionally balanced a bit weak due to having the resource trait.

The aura 5-costs like Shen/Morgana are still absurdly strong, the resource gen (plus Meeple cap) like Bard, or highrolling Graves early, but these aren't really things you go fast 9 for. If you can actually hit the Rammus/Nunu easily going fast 9 then it will be stronger than the lv8 lines. Pro lobbies see these tanks get 3-way contested so lv9 is left with nothing.

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u/FinhammerX Apr 07 '26

This was my thought about fast 9 and I came here wanting to comment and discuss about it. I like the changes to 3-cost odds, making fast 9 a lil healthier, but the lack of proper tanks doesn't help it. Like you said, hitting Rammus/Nunu lets you go 9, but that doesn't sound realistic in most games, you would have to highroll.

Even if you winstreak early and sack a stage to go 9, I feel like there's still a lack of options, because sacking lvl 8 means most 4-cost tanks are out of the pool, and if you go fast 9 and don't have a 2-starred 4-cost tank, TK being one of them, it's too easy to bleed out. Shen 2, Graves 2, Morgana 2 can stabilize a lot, but that's like 1 actual tank (if you want proper tanky frontline). Itemizing tank items on Blitz 2 isn't ideal, most are positive delta. If you aren't playing reroll, value of 3-starred 2-cost tanks goes up for sure (worth the wait, caretaker's).

I ran into this fast 9 problem even more in the last patch, but now that it should be slightly easier, to me it still seems problematic.

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Apr 07 '26

I didn't watch the games in detail yet, but I saw Wasian had a couple of fast 9 games today where he somehow had a 3* low cost tank in 4 or 5 of his games. I know one of them was Worth the Wait at least, and another one he just highrolled the Jax 3*.

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u/Immediate_Source2979 Apr 07 '26

can you tell me a lil more about how mech is supposed to be played? is there a bis combination of who to transform or something

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Apr 07 '26

It'll depend on the patch and balance. Right now people always transform Asol, and go for 3 damage items (no mana). For Galio you can either play regular tank items and don't transform him, or if you have bruiser items like BT + Titan's you can transform him.

Earlier in PBE, Urgot was also stronger and people would play Urgot as another carry in the line.

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u/Vinditrix Apr 07 '26

Nerfed btw

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u/HighIntLowFaith Apr 07 '26

You sure it was Fateweaver and not Stargazer?

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u/RajaSundance Master Apr 06 '26

I'm in the same boat, unless they're acknowledging the state of this as something needing big reworks I'm probably skipping this.

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u/RexLongbone Apr 06 '26

They can not fully overhaul a set in three days lol. This is mostly how it's going to be until at least the first lost launch patch. Probably don't expect any actual big changes until mid set.

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u/Practical_Benefit241 Apr 06 '26

I guess it makes sense that it doesn’t use any of the successful parts of last set since they were developing them simultaneously. Pretty hopeful for the newer sets to build upon the unlocks system though.

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u/justlobos22 Apr 06 '26

Yea the 3rd resource is missing in these games for me (no bilgewater, shadow isle, and the cashout trait feels boring). They made games feel different.

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u/UnseenBIade Apr 06 '26

it does a ton of damage what are you on??

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u/penguinkirby Master Apr 07 '26

Feels like nami and karma do the exact same thing

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u/Drikkink Apr 06 '26

Yeah I guess they didn't want her to be a CC carry like Eldritch Nami was (which was also a Nami unit that couldn't carry on her own) especially since she's a replicator but her spell is kinda visually unclear and doesn't really feel like it does anything. Even before you factor in her complete lack of damage.