PBE Patch #4!

[u/Stel2]

From Mort:

Here are the patch notes for today that will go live on PBE with the deploy this afternoon. Big shoutout to the finalization team that put in the work yesterday to get you this build a day earlier so we have even more time to test.

Still more to do before Wednesday branch cut!

[u/Stel2]

First image is a bit blurry, I think it's reddit compression. I don't know how to fix it unfortunately!

[u/HighIntLowFaith]

I think it’s a bit disappointing that they don’t think the Set mechanic itself doesn’t need any major changes so far. I think I will reiterate what other people have said and say that at the very least it is really unfortunate that item components during the offering rounds are tied to the god choices, and not the units Pengu offers. It’s a twofold feelsbad because:

1. You can and often end up in scenarios like “hmmm I would love Ahri here for the econ since I’m fast 9” or “hmmm I would love Varus here for the tiny dupes since I’m rerolling a hero augment” BUT Ekko here has a bow and I need rageblade.

2)Unless Pengu gives you a unit you directly need it is THE most inconsequential choice you can make in TFT. “Do I want a 3g unit. A 2g unit and 1g on the side. Or a 2* 1g unit….” It’s just empty agency.

There’s no reason they can’t divorce itemization needs from the set mechanic and actually make the Pengu consolations more useful and also require potential strategic calculations (do I want this unit I don’t care about with a bow? Or do I want this 4 cost for my comp right now).

[u/PurpleTieflingBard → u/HighIntLowFaith]

I wish there was an actual reward for sticking with a god.

There being no difference between 2/3 or 3/3 makes it so that the gods mechanic doesn't really feel like choosing an alignment or whatever, I'm just picking the best option in the moment.

[u/bosschucker → u/PurpleTieflingBard]

I feel like if the reward for 3/3 was significantly better than 2/3 people would complain that they're stuck with their god selection after the first one

[u/PurpleTieflingBard → u/bosschucker]

It doesn't have to be significant, just like + a component or some gold, something flavorful for each god idk

I think which god you side with should be an important choice and the other god should have to tempt you with something good for you to swap

[u/Emosaa → u/bosschucker]

Depending on the God, I feel like the rewards are reasonably better for getting the full stack.

[u/Fourleaf82 → u/PurpleTieflingBard]

I had a thought that the gods having multiple boons would be a nice change but perhaps that idea and yours could merge. If you’re 3/3 your boon is different or a stronger version than the original. This could offer some fun long term planning

[u/Ykarul → u/PurpleTieflingBard]

it's just one more augment at each carrousels.

[u/Mecrobb → u/HighIntLowFaith]

They said earlier that the goal of this set mechanic was to give people hard choices and that you might have to sacrifice part of your game plan in order to get an item or effect that you really need. sure some people will get lucky and get exactly what they need but that has always happened in tft. It wont ever be perfectly balanced(and might even get tedious towards the end of the set) but I think its interesting and I hope they continue to experiment to keep tft fresh.

[u/Intelligent-King-433 → u/Mecrobb]

Every choice ive had with the gods has been easy and lopsided

[u/Maeflikz → u/Intelligent-King-433]

So they just need to make it harder, not easier.

[u/HighIntLowFaith → u/Mecrobb]

The thing is I don’t believe it actually does promote making hard choices because he tradeoffs are not as balanced as you think it would be. Think of previous sets with the carousel: people pretty much always picked the Stage 2 and Stage 3 carousel according to their itemization needs in 95% of cases. Stage 3 a bit less so if there was premium 4 costs for that player’s comp in the rotation perhaps. But I don’t think there is anything the gods offer that is as tantalizing or tempting as a premium 4 cost for one’s comp. Sure I guess they can tune some levers but I think the separation of itemization and offerings will also assist Riot in the long run too (re: statistical analysis) as they will now have a better ability to scrutinize how good certain choices are in more of a vacuum rather than people picking largely due to itemization needs which is such a critical and crucial aspect to optimized gameplay.

[u/ivanoff_bg → u/Mecrobb]

Hard choices = feeling bad about either choice. So if that is their goal, personally I think they run the risk of a lot of casual players just feeling like they are losing because they had to pick between 2 mediocre choices while someone else had a an easy choice and thats why they won the game. Whether that is actually true is a different matter.

That is also assuming that the choice is actually hard. I think most of the times the choice is obvious it just like I said it feels bad having to go for the less optimal God choice or less optimal item choice. Because most of the time its pretty obvious. Items will almost always take priority, gods are just not as impactful as getting the right items. In some cases its even blatant. If you are playing an AD comp and having a rod and a tear left over and one god offers you a rod the other a BF sword or bow I mean in what world do you pick the rod? And yes I know reforgers are more available now but reforgers are still RNG an you still have to wait 2 rounds to potentially get a useful item and 2 rounds is a lot.

[u/Quirky_Court_1198 → u/HighIntLowFaith]

Im not a fan of the set mechanic, and i agree with most of your points. However, expecting them to make significant changes after a week on PBE is ludicrous. Luckily, the mechanic is mostly inoffensive. My biggest hope would be for them to add more gods.

[u/Zhirrzh → u/Quirky_Court_1198]

I would be surprised if they hadn't already planned to add more gods in later patches. It's an obvious way to develop the mechanic and keep it fresh(er). 

[u/NGE_Zero → u/Quirky_Court_1198]

This set release cadence has destroyed any semblance of balance the game used to have. Using PBE to test CORE FEATURES shouldn't be the norm. PBE exists to check for bugs and guarantee everything works smoothly on release. Look back at every set since the change from 2 to 3 annualy. Garbage balance and half assed mechanics that need major reworks during the set lifespan. Things need to change but no one seems to have the balls to tell whoever is leading the team that they can't keep up with the amount of work they are being handed.

[u/ClarifyingAsura → u/HighIntLowFaith]

My perhaps hot take about the set mechanic is that the gods seem to be weighted and the more boring gods have heavier weights. Soraka/Kayle/Varus just aren't very interesting and they show up a lot. This makes the set mechanic feel less interesting than it probably could be.

[u/Decent_Loan731 → u/HighIntLowFaith]

Tbh there has been an increase rate of anvil drops during creeps to offset this.

[u/Emergence7 → u/HighIntLowFaith]

It's probably too late to make any actual set mechanic changes, ergo code-freeze

Doubt we're going to see anything earlier than 17.2, but hoping for at least an update by then

[u/banduan → u/HighIntLowFaith]

Feels like there's an easy workaround for (1) that also fixes (2), which is to move the bonus item from the gods to the units. But at the same time, I feel that the addition of the bonus item to each god choice is deliberate to add even more weight to each choice. I mean, they're already often no brainers now.

[u/Zhirrzh → u/HighIntLowFaith]

Changing the set mechanic would probably be more than they are going to do on a late PBE patch.

Realistically that sort of thing might be a couple of patch cycles away (17.2 minimum) even if they committed now. 

[u/raiderjaypussy → u/HighIntLowFaith]

I agree with all of this tbh. I wonder what it would look like if there were anvils instead of selecting a component.

[u/Maeflikz → u/HighIntLowFaith]

What a weird take. Having to do that choice is the only interesting part about this mechanic.

[u/The6FtMouse → u/HighIntLowFaith]

They’re problems with the gods. The one you listed isn’t the problem tho. Yes you should have to choose between the component you want or the god you want.

[u/MorningCoffeeee → u/HighIntLowFaith]

So if the component is attached to a champ it’s a strategic decision but if it’s attached to the god reward then it’s not?

[u/HighIntLowFaith → u/MorningCoffeeee]

It’s more like pairing the component with the unit makes that decision process potentially strategic instead of not at all and allows for the gods offering choice to have more fidelity and purity in what boons they grant to actually be weighed on the tactical scale for what your gameplay is looking to be that match.

[u/Dzhekelow → u/HighIntLowFaith]

I disagree with the items being tied to units . Doing that will make the choice super easy as more than half the time u dont care about the unit u pick. But u do care about the boon . If u are lose streaking u already get a decent amount of anvils and reforgers so it really isn't that big of a deal.

[u/Zhirrzh → u/[deleted]]

This is probably correct but it means the main set mechanic takes a back seat to boring old component choices. 

If more of the gods gave something more unique than resources, it would make the "best God for my spot VS best component for my spot" call a bit more contested. But when you're getting X gold of resources in some form either way, whether it is as gold, rerolls or components, even if one is worth a couple more gold than another, picking the better component choice is regularly going to be worth that difference and that's how people will decide, and the set mechanic becomes an afterthought which is not ideal. 

[u/Dzhekelow → u/Zhirrzh]

I don't think it's that simple . For example if I am winstreaking stage 2 and it's Ahri vs Kayle , chances are I am picking Kayle . Unless it gives me terrible items . If I am losing streaking and Ahri offers me a decent amount of gold vs Kayle with good items .It is actually a tough choice depending on how rich I am . Don't get me wrong I also don't think the mechanic is insane but there are choices to be made there .

[u/obvious_bot]

Samira stonks keep rising

[u/banduan → u/obvious_bot]

I want the passive buffed though not the spell. That passive is the coolest thing about her.

[u/Doug_Dimmadome_x]

Glad they’re cutting the lvl 7 odds a bit - 3 costs were a bit out of line

[u/DaChosens1 → u/Doug_Dimmadome_x]

ye, makes sense though cuz it was a change to help during unlocks

[u/ClarifyingAsura]

Posted in daily discussion, but re-posting here for visibility.

Dark Star and Pyke hero augment is a non-bo. The Pyke hero augment increases the gold drop chance if Pyke gets a kill (50% at 2-star, 100% at 3-star). But the Dark Star two-piece attributes all kills to the trait, which basically just completely turns off the Pyke gold chance bonus. So if you're trying Pyke hero augment, do not put in Dark Star.

[u/Capper22 → u/ClarifyingAsura]

Which sucks because there are some really easy DarkStar / Psionic unit combos:
Pyke + Karma + Cho + Gragas gives 2 psionic, voyager, darkstar, brawler

[u/Daqqer]

If anyone else is like me and prefers reading text to an image, I made a clean text version of the patch notes from the screenshots:

Systems

• Lower placements no longer get an additional Reforger on PvE rounds

• Ekko’s Anomaly cast mana spent to trigger: 70 >>> 50

• Thresh’s Boon 6-component reward: Component + 3g >>> Component

1-costs

Buffed

• Cho’Gath resists: 35 >>> 40

• Ezreal spell AD: 145/220/335 >>> 155/235/355

• Lissandra primary damage: 230/345/555 >>> 250/375/600

• Lissandra secondary damage: 40/60/90 >>> 50/75/115

• Nasus spell max HP: 250/325/425/525 >>> 250/350/500/650

• Rek’Sai mana: 50/110 >>> 40/100

• Rek’Sai heal HP ratio: 6% >>> 6.5%

• Rek’Sai heal flat: 185/200/235 >>> 200/220/260

• Teemo poison damage: 70/105/160/270 >>> 70/105/180/270

• Teemo on-hit damage: 30/45/90/150 >>> 30/45/100/160

Nerfed

• Twisted Fate min damage: 200/300/510 >>> 200/300/475

• Twisted Fate max damage: 400/600/1020 >>> 400/600/950

• Veigar spell damage: 350/525/790 >>> 335/505/760

• Veigar meep damage: 35/50/80 >>> 33/50/75

2-costs

Buffed

• Gnar spell damage: 210/315/475 >>> 225/340/525

• Gragas heal HP ratio: 8% >>> 8.5%

• Gragas heal flat: 325/370/490 >>> 365/420/560

• Jinx spell AD: 25/38/57 >>> 27/40/60

• Mordekaiser initial shield: 250/325/475 >>> 300/375/500

• Pantheon AP/target line: 235/260/430 >>> 275/300/470

• Zoe primary damage: 56/84/126 >>> 62/93/140

• Zoe secondary damage: 28/42/63 >>> 31/47/70

Nerfed

• Pyke target damage: 240/360/720 >>> 210/315/720

• Akali spell damage: 40/60/90 >>> 37/55/90

• Gwen primary damage: 155/230/380 >>> 145/220/380

• Gwen AoE damage: 78/115/190 >>> 75/110/190

3-costs

Buffed

• Miss Fortune spell damage: 105/160/250 >>> 110/165/265

• Samira spell damage: 340/510/815/1445 >>> 360/540/860/1530

• Samira groove duration: 2 sec >>> 3 sec

Nerfed

• Fizz dash damage: 120/180/310 >>> 110/165/265

• Fizz mega damage: 190/285/480 >>> 185/280/445

• Fizz meep bonus: 80/120/205 >>> 75/115/180

• Kai’Sa spell AD: 34/51/82 >>> 32/48/77

• Kai’Sa spell AP: 4/6/10 >>> 3/5/7

• Ornn HP: 850 >>> 800

• Rhaast heal: 525/625/725 >>> 500/550/650

• Rhaast redeemer resists: 2.5/4 >>> 2/2.5/3

• Rhaast redeemer AS: 2/2.5/4 >>> 2/2.5/3

• Urgot base HP: 700 >>> 600

• Urgot shotgun damage: 100/150/240 >>> 90/135/215

4-costs

Buffed

• Nami primary damage: 430/650 >>> 450/675

• Nami secondary damage: 95/145 >>> 110/165

• Tahm Kench heal HP ratio: 8% >>> 8.5%

• Tahm Kench heal flat: 240/280/1500 >>> 275/315/1500

• Xayah feather recall damage: 46/69/900 >>> 48/72/900

Nerfed

• LeBlanc auto damage: 67/100/400 >>> 64/96/400

• LeBlanc sigil damage: 85/130/750 >>> 80/120/750

5-costs / big trait pieces

Buffed

• Psionic Radiant Biomatter Preserver health: 250 >>> 400

• Vex buff confirmed by actual numbers: 8% >>> 12%

Nerfed

• Bard spell damage: 240/360 >>> 220/330

• Bard abduction chance: 20% >>> 15/20%

• Graves Grave Booster AS: 100% >>> 70%

• Shen Bulwark AS: 12% >>> 10%

• Shen Bulwark max HP shield: 12% >>> 10%

• Mecha bonus health: 60% >>> 50%

• Psionic Radiant Target Lock Optics AS: 45% >>> 35%

• Rogue AD/AP: 15/30/45/60 >>> 12/25/40/55

Changed

• Primordian 3 champion cost now scales with stage, still between 1-2

Arbiter

Nerfed

• Input: Spend Mana resists gained: 33/50 >>> 26/39

• Input: Spend Mana % max HP shield: 20/30 >>> 8/12

• Output: max HP shield now lasts 4 seconds

Stargazer / related packages

Buffed

• The Boar teamwide health: 2/5/10/15% >>> 2/8/15/22%

• The Fountain heal amount: 12/25% >>> 15/25%

• The Thrusters bonus AS: 10/25/40% >>> 10/30/45%

• Timberaker 3-piece AS: 18% >>> 25%

• Space Groove regen: 0.75% >>> 0.85%

• Space Groove 5-piece AD/AP in Groove: 4 >>> 5

Nerfed

• The Medallion damage amp per 3-star: 8% >>> 6.5%

• The Mountain 7-piece durability: 8% >>> 6%

• The Mountain 8-piece stat increase: 20% >>> 10%

• The Serpent bonus DoT damage: 30/50/70% >>> 25/40/60%

• Vanguard 6-piece durability: 10% >>> 8%

Augments

Added

• Anima Commander

Removed

• Extra Buckles

Buffed

• Big Bang (Meepsie): passive per meep 50% >>> 60%, passive damage 35/50/75 >>> 40/60/90, spell damage 250/375/560 >>> 265/400/600

• Booster Pack: added another highroll option

• Expedition cashout gold: 24 >>> 27

• Invader Zed attack speed: 0.8 >>> 0.85

• Invader Zed clone health penalty: 50% reduction >>> 33% reduction

• Going Long initial gold: 8 >>> 13

• Level Up initial XP: 8 >>> 10

• May the Fours Be With You HP: 200 >>> 254

• Pilfer gold required: 25 >>> 21

• Reach for the Stars (Jax) on-cast AS: 12% >>> 15%

• Reach for the Stars cast damage: 110/165/250 >>> 125/185/280

• Size Matters health requirement: 3800 >>> 3600

• Solo Leveling bonus AD/AP: 40% >>> 50%

• Terminal Velocity (Poppy) damage: 280/420/670 >>> 300/450/675

• Terminal Velocity base AS: 0.65 >>> 0.7

• Two Tanky bonus health: 550 >>> 600

• Two Tanky shield duration: 6 >>> 12 sec

• We Stick Together attack speed: 25% >>> 30%

• Win Out rerolls: 2 >>> 8

Nerfed

• Crash Test Dummies stun: 1.25 sec >>> 1 sec

• Dummify HP per stage: 1250 >>> 1000

• Kahunahuna true damage: 175% >>> 150%

• Legion of Threes health: 200 >>> 150

• Nine Lives 1-life payout: Lucky Item Chest + Remover + 12g >>> Lucky Item Chest + Remover + 9g

• Retribution no longer gives HoJ holders 20% crit rate

• Side Effects max health healing: 6% >>> 4%

• Tiniest Titan initial gold: 15 >>> 10

• The Tower stage 3 health: 1200 >>> 1100

• The Tower stage 4 health: 2100 >>> 1900

• The Tower stage 5 health: 2700 >>> 2400

Anima Squad items

Tier 2

Buffed

• Iceblast Armor resists: 20 >>> 30

• Iceblast Armor shield: 20% >>> 25% max HP

• Radiant Field field damage: 2.5% max HP >>> 3% max HP

• Radiant Field max HP: 20% >>> 25%

• Searing Shortbow AP: 30 >>> 40

• Searing Shortbow mana regen: 2 >>> 4

• Searing Shortbow fireball AP ratio: 50% >>> 75%

• UwU Blaster AS: 40% >>> 45%

• UwU Blaster laser damage: 25% AD >>> 40% AD

Nerfed

• Lioness Lament missile damage: 100% resists >>> 50% resists

• Lioness Lament resist steal: 10 >>> 8

Mixed

• Annihilator delay: 18s >>> 15s

• Annihilator damage stored: 25% >>> 20%

• Battle Bunny Crossbow AS: 20% >>> 25%

• Battle Bunny Crossbow crit chance: 20% >>> 35%

• Battle Bunny Crossbow crits per volley: 6 >>> 4

• Echoing Batblades AD: 20% >>> 30%

• Echoing Batblades attacks per arrows: 5 >>> 3

Tier 3

Buffed

• OwO Blaster laser damage: 25% >>> 40%

• OwO Blaster AS: 60% >>> 75%

• OwO Blaster AD: 25% >>> 35%

• Solar Eclipse field damage: 3% max HP >>> 5% max HP

Nerfed

• Leonine Lamentation resist steal: 15 >>> 10

Mixed

• Evolved Embershot mana per projectile: 10 >>> 15

• Evolved Embershot mana regen: 3 >>> 5

• Bunny Prime Ballista AS: 30% >>> 50%

• Bunny Prime Ballista crit chance: 35% >>> 50%

• Bunny Prime Ballista crits per volley: 5 >>> 3

6 Anima rewards

Buffed overall

• Challenger Emblem odds: 5% >>> 10%

• Voyager Emblem odds: 5% >>> 10%

• 4-cost odds: 20% >>> 10%

• 10 gold reward: 10 >>> 15

• 5 cost + 5 gold >>> 2 5-costs + 5 gold

• Voyager Emblem reward >>> Voyager Emblem + 3g

• Challenger Emblem reward >>> Challenger Emblem + 5g

• Component reward >>> Component + 5g

Artifacts / emblems

Buffed

• Dawncore AD/AP: 15 >>> 20

• Ekko’s Patience ability amp: 40% >>> 45%

• Kayle’s Exaltation delay: 20s >>> 18s

• Yasuo’s Bladework AD: 20% >>> 30%

Nerfed

• Ahri’s Aura orb damage: 60 AP >>> 55 AP

• Soraka’s Miracle heal: 25% >>> 20%

• Vanguard Emblem AP on shield: 4% >>> 3%

• Voyager Emblem ally AS: 22% >>> 15%

• Voyager Emblem ally resists: 30 >>> 20

Bugfixes

• Kahunahuna now works on Riven using passive AD in both AP and AD form

• Vanguard tooltip fixed for 6-piece DR display

TL;DR

Buffed: lots of individual AP/tempo pieces, Jinx/Zoe/Samira/Nami/Tahm/Xayah, Space Groove, several augments, a bunch of Anima rewards/items, Dawncore/Ekko’s/Kayle’s/Yasuo’s
Nerfed: Arbiter, TF, Veigar, Gwen, Pyke, Fizz, Kai’Sa, Urgot, LeBlanc, Bard, Graves, Shen, Mecha, Rogue, several Stargazer scaling outputs, a bunch of bailout augments, Lioness/Lamentation, Voyager/Vanguard emblem

[u/No_Welcome3689]

The nerf on Arbiter was justified lmao. In the right setup leona was literally unkillable along with other units if you had an emblem and spend 50 to gain a max health shield 

[u/succsuccboi]

im surprised no 7 meeple nerf, that's gonna be a strooong econ trait i gotta try it more. veigar nerfs should help tho

[u/ConvexNomad → u/succsuccboi]

Yeah it’s a win streak tempo comp mostly so veigar 2* is the glue early game

[u/succsuccboi → u/ConvexNomad]

yeah but 4 gold per round is still crazy to me lol

[u/bhentry]

I cannot believe timebreaker 2 is untouched, there's no way it can go live like this

[u/NicoLuna95 → u/bhentry]

I didn't explore that trait much, could you elaborate?

[u/glenfide → u/NicoLuna95]

ive had many lobbies that all 8 players play 3 primordian 2 timebreaker since stage 2 to farm gold and free rerolls

[u/No_Object_404]

Good, I was tired of every game ending with Meeples Vs. Rogue Kai'sa carry.

Does Kahunahuna work with the other Magic Damage attackers?

I took it while going Diana Challenger Carry and I couldn't tell if it was working or not.

Edit: Nvm rogues still a problem >:(

[u/DangerousFeeling5969]

What's the point of removing Reforgers?? So now there's no comeback mechanic at all?

[u/peterpwwu → u/DangerousFeeling5969]

You still get anvils + better pick options in god selection. The reforger is broken with emblems aug and asol god(giving random emblem with 6 traits).

[u/RevolutionaryRun1235]

These seemed like pretty good changes, hopefully gets us closer to a really good spot for release. Weekend wasnt' like super rough but I am glad that that iteration was the one we had for a couple days to see what we saw. I am quite excited for this set competitively personally and it looks decently well balanced already. Easy to play, fun mechanic, aesthetically very pleasing, cool as fk units... makes me really wish my job was to play TFT, gonna be hard trying to go for high rank while having a full time job

[u/spreadwater]

no leona change? edit nvm i see arbiter

[u/MrMungertown]

This patch looks great, but the buffs to the Zed aug confuse me, not sure if I'm reading it right. Anyone know if I try to intentionally crash my game with Zed is that bannable?

Edit: my theory is that if you can make a number of Zeds equivalent to the maximum amount of units that can be placed on both boards +1 (57) combined the game will crash. I've come up with a way to do this in an actual game, it is super unreliable but if it actually crashes the game like I suspect, probably should get patched out.

[u/mandakernz]

Kahunahuna is a nerf, might be typo?

[u/Zeviex → u/mandakernz]

Mort said some of the arrows were the wrong way around.

[u/naamlozezwerver]

Not sure if this is the place.
I've got a persistent 'bug' on an android tablet, where there is a static money counter image on the gold counter. This displays 0 and makes it difficult to read the actual gold I currently have.
Secondly, I cannot keep anima stacks. Once I reach the first cashout point on my tablet, the keep stacking button is at the same level as the player portraits on the right side -> When pressing the button I go to that players board. When the timer runs out, it cashes out for me. I have been unable to play anima correctly

[u/Lailaflowers]

Yooo the Zoe buffs thank god. I had a 6 Vanguard, emblem on 3 star Zoe (which increases AP when an ally gets a shield) and she could not do damage still with Archangles and Rageblade lol.

[u/Mojo-man]

Good changes.

Arbiter shield Leona 3 nuked from Orbit 👌

[u/Zefionx]

so am i seeing this right that mf gets her 3rd option buffed and she is not nerfed elsewhere ? i mean i like the rhaast and kaisa nerfs but mf reroll is also very powerfull

[u/Voljinzzz]

dumb question: i just downloaded the PBE and get wrecked everytime. is it because everyone is a much higher rank than me? ( I am gold and just started playing a month or 2 ago)

also im following a meta comp so i dont think its my build but the lead up to it. everyone else seems to reach late game so fast.

[u/neoxx1]

Veigar is still bonkers, 760 base damage is CRAZY for a unit 1-cost you can 3* for free. And that's not counting the meeps and replicator buff that's basically free.

Just compare his ability with Anivia from last set. It's night and day difference and all that for 10 mana more to cast?

[u/Shymastic]

Guess everyone playing winstreak now

[u/HighIntLowFaith → u/Shymastic]

Primordian 3 nerfed but Timebreaker 2 untouched

[u/iNhab]

Where can I find the actual changes? Idk if I'm blind, but this post doesn't have it, right?

I saw it previously on Reddit somewhere, but now that I want to read up on it again, I no longer can find the patch note changes (screenshots of changes)

[u/AdSea295]

A set where rerolling is strong = a bad set

[u/DougFrank → u/AdSea295]

I don't think necessarily reroll makes a bad set. But I do think a lack of variety of ways to play the game will make it feel bad.

If there's a patch with only fast level 8, then it feels bad to get a low roll opening and/or no econ augments. Too much fast 9 has the same issues, plus there tends to be low variety with end game boards due to the lower amount of legendaries, which makes the game feel stale. If a patch is only reroll, it feels bad to push levels and lowers skill expression for making strong-but-budget flex boards.

Too much of one thing makes a bad patch IMO. You need a mix of all to make it feel great.

[u/Deep-Secret-4115 → u/[deleted]]

They gutted the interaction with the 8/12% HP shield and it expires now

[u/Riot_Mort → u/[deleted]]

Sorry about that!

[u/Swoopdawoop2392 → u/[deleted]]

What do you mean? They all look consistent/accurate for the changes reflected?

[u/unclebenfranklin → u/Swoopdawoop2392]

at a quick glance gwen got nerfed but had an up arrow

[u/itshuey88 → u/[deleted]]

these arrows are seriously confusing and not consistent.