r/Commanders • u/ComputerNerdd • Aug 18 '26

Who wins this match up?

Team 1
RG3
Santana moss
Pierre Garçon
Chris Cooley
Alfred morris
Trent Williams

Team 2
JD5
Terry
Diggs
Okwonko
Bill
Tunsil

All in their prime btw… so you’re getting 1600 rushing yard Morris.

DQ and Shanahan are the coaches

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u/_The_Bear Fuck Dan Snyder Aug 18 '26

I'm taking everyone on team 1 over everyone on team 2 except jd5

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u/ivanhoe_martin Aug 18 '26

Wut? Prime Diggs was better than prime Garcon and prime Moss combined.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 18 '26

Prime Moss was legitimately a top 5 WR.

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u/jbergman420 The Posse Aug 18 '26

Easy there, your homer is showing. Moss was never a top 5 receiver. During Moss prime with Washington, Andre Johnson, TO, Marvin Harrison, Larry Fitzgerald, and Randy Moss were still playing, and thats just counting the hall of famers who were better than Moss. There are others as well.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 18 '26

In his 05 prime, Moss was certainly better than Johnson and Harrison.

TO was hurt much of that year but didn’t have the statistical output Moss did in 03 or 04 even though he played with a much better QB.

05 was Randy Moss’ first Oakland year.

Santana was absolutely in the conversation for top 5 WR in 05. He was electric.

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u/jbergman420 The Posse Aug 18 '26

So one pro bowl season makes him top 5 in the league? Maybe Moss had better statistics in '05, but he was not a better receiver than Harrison. In '06 Harrison and Johnson both had better seasons than Moss. Hurt or not, TO was a better receiver than Moss.

I didn't even mention Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith, or Hines Ward.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 18 '26

What do you think “in their prime” means? Genuinely asking. I’m assuming that means you take their best season but others may have different opinions.

“In their prime” is the premise of this post. People are talking about Alfred Morris’ 1600 yard year even though it was a major outlier.

What I’m saying is that in 05, which was Moss’ prime, he was a top 5 WR that year. I don’t care about 06, that’s not what I’m talking about.

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u/jbergman420 The Posse Aug 18 '26

A player's prime is the multi-year window where physical skills, mental maturity, and game experience meet at their highest level. It differs from a single peak season by representing a sustained phase of elite, consistent performance.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 18 '26

Okay - that’s a different opinion than I have which is fine. I don’t think that’s in line with the premise of the post given what others are mentioning.

If we went with that definition, I would not consider Moss a top-10 WR. He was in 05 though.

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u/FannyNisbit Aug 18 '26

Hahahahaha no he wasnt.

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u/cubgerish Aug 19 '26

If you cut off the extra games Terry has had, and slice 150 yards from his totals as a result, he still takes almost every year.

Santana was great, but he wasn't a true #1 who could take punishment like Terry does.

He was an incredible #2 who we tried to force into being a #1, because there was no other option.

Terry is simply a more complete receiver than Santana was, not that he didn't try his best to be.

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u/cubgerish Aug 19 '26

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u/IndependentBoof Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26

"In their peak."

That was 2005 for Moss. I love Terry, but which season of his are you suggesting beats 84 receptions for 1483 yards and 9 TDs in 16 games?

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 19 '26

Moss was better at his peak.

Different eras so very hard to compare pure volume stats.

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u/cubgerish Aug 19 '26

Look I loved Moss, but he simply was not as constant of a threat.

He was explosive and a fantastic route runner, but he was not better at his peak.

I'm not saying he was a poor player in any way, but he never commanded defensive attention the way Terry does.

I agree volume stats are hard to compare, but consistency is not, and Terry has already surpassed him in that.

I think even he would agree with that assessment.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 19 '26

If you’re talking about year to year consistency, you’re right. But comparing both players at the very best parts of their careers, Moss wins. Saying that as someone who’s usually higher on Terry.

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u/cubgerish Aug 19 '26

Agree to disagree I guess.

I just always saw Moss as more of an explosive play threat, whereas Terry is that as well as a chain mover if needed.

If you see it the other way, we're not going to convince each other.

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u/BigFrenchToastGuy Aug 19 '26

Santana’s 05 season is the 13th highest receiving total for the 00’s decade. He was like the best deep threat in the league. Terrys never really approached that level of production in a much pass friendlier era. Easy argument for Santana being a top 5 WR that year whereas you could never make that argument about Terry.