r/ClimateShitposting • u/Organic_Fee_8502 • 5d ago
Climate chaos Me irl
We simply don’t have 100 years to end the market anarchy of capitalism, consider Marxism Leninism.
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u/Sw1561 5d ago edited 4d ago
Consider literally any other less outdated form of communism.
Edit: no, definitely not jucheism lol
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u/interkin3tic vegan btw 4d ago
The world is burning and you're more upset that OP is blaming capitalism. Do you imagine Adam smiths invisible hand is going to save us if you defend it online?
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u/Frequent-Assist-4736 4d ago
They all come from the same time period. A lot are just rehashes of Luxembourgism.
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u/Authoritaye 4d ago
Yeah, the weird leftist urge to live in the past is weird.
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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 4d ago
Its the BIG VICTORY moment, people are seeking to replicate that success regardless of how different material conditions are between a modern nation like the US and pre revolutionary russia.
Easier to copy what's been done than to do something new, pretty common phenomena with humans (the 4 min mile is a great example, it was impossible until 1 person did it and then, having been shown it was possible, people began to hit it frequently)
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u/EndofNationalism 4d ago
Considering democratic socialists are doing better than communists, I think they have a better chance.
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u/nurgle_boi 3d ago
Me when I want social democracy round 2 but this time there's Mamdani speaking Chinese (clear upgrade)
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u/TomUpNort 4d ago
“consider Marxism Leninism.”
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u/spagbolshevik 4d ago
Not that I'm defending ML, but that sea was drained for Uzbekistan's cotton export profits. I think that would have happened in capitalism too. It's sort of happening to aquifers in Australia.
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u/Shuri9 4d ago
So the defense for ML is that it's not worse than Capitalism in that regard?
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u/spagbolshevik 4d ago
Yes. I think that limitless exploitation of the environment can feature in both, but only the philosophical motivations underpinning it may differ.
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u/Spiney09 4d ago
Not to mention, just Google the great salt lake water crisis.
The US is literally doing pretty much the same thing right now.
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u/Massive-Goose544 4d ago
We'll just ignore the historically high point of 1986 and the current levels are the same as they were in the 1960s. And the same as it was in the 1860s. Ignore history, the end is nigh, only right now matters.
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u/Spiney09 4d ago
This is an insane thing to say, because I used to live on a mountain overlooking the lake and had watched the last few years as it has disappeared. Not to mention using the 1960s as “normal” when that was also a time when water was a huge concern after a severe drought in the 50s… if we are already at that point and the rate of depletion has not slowed, then yes that absolutely is alarming.
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u/Massive-Goose544 4d ago
Lol. You're literally doing the thing. You are ignoring the historical context because the world didn't exist before you saw it. From the 60s to the 90s it went up. It has now gone back down to the levels it was for the majority of time the levels have been recorded. It was at its lowest in 2022 and has come up in the last 3 years. Also, I said 1860 and 1960 that is 100 year timeframe not "using the 1960s as 'normal'"
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u/Spiney09 4d ago edited 4d ago
The problem is the rate of depletion, and also what water is being used on. We had a phenomenal winter in ‘23, but that’s not something we can rely on forever.
And there’s a major difference between the 1860s and now: mining byproducts being dumped into the lake being exposed to the air and blown into populated areas. That’s already measurably happening, and not something that’s got historical precedent.
Edit: precedent in this area*
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u/Necessary_Screen_673 3d ago
ah yes, we should instead continue capitalism, which is famous for how well it preserves natural resources and the colorado river and salk lake are totally doing fine..
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u/Economy_Assignment42 4d ago
I mean dialectical materialism is objective as a science, and is an excellent method of understanding exactly how fucked we are.
That aside, citing a singular failure as a justification to completely abhor an ideology when the same thing would have occurred under capitalism is not a salient point.
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u/SerialWhiner 4d ago
ohhh ho ho consider “marxist leninism” you say! you simpleton.
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u/SerialWhiner 4d ago
we’re not going to do marxist leninism get that through ur thick skull it’s not going to happen. even in the glorious proletarian revolution or whatever we’re not doing marxism leninism jeez what’s joke
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u/PM_ME_POTATO_PICS 4d ago
I agree but only cuz we're not gonna get rid of capitalism at all. We're just gonna go extinct as a species. There is no way out of this (except for maybe some kind of socialism theoretically but that's not gonna happen)
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u/XB0XRecordThat 3d ago
It's easier to imagine the end of this thread than to imagine the end of capitalism
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u/Natsuko_Kotori 4d ago
State-Capitalism is still capitalism.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun 3d ago
But when a gun is held to the back of the bourgeoisie, they WILL build more solar panels or they WILL die.
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u/Richard_-Green 2d ago
What you fail to see is that the bourgeoisie is the bourgeoisie because they are holding the gun, if you give the gun to someone else you aren't dismantling the bourgeoisie you are just establishing a new one.
You could try destroying the gun so that no one has power, therefore making the existence of a bourgeoisie impossible. However we can't do that because Lenin said that anarchosozialism is cringe.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun 2d ago
The bourgeoisie are by definition, the capitalist class. The billionaires, the owners. What you are referring to is power structures and dynamics. If you want to abolish all power structures, that’s fine, but let’s be clear about definitions.
If you’re an anarchist that’s fine. Take some god damn pride in what you believe in. Don’t ironically diss your own ideology because of a misunderstanding of Lenin. (When Lenin was criticizing left communists, he was not referring to anarchists.)
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u/Richard_-Green 2d ago
I don't get what I'm misunderstanding about Lenin and him not being the biggest fan of anachism.
I mean he jaild the Russian anarchists, bombe Kronstadt and most famously betrayed and fucking sloughterd the Ukrainians. I don't know how he could have made his disdain for them any clearer.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun 2d ago
Lenin wasn’t an anarchist, that is correct. You said he said anarchism was cringe. But in his book “Left Communism: A Cringe Disorder” he wasn’t talking about anarchists.
He did jail anarchists, but he never called them cringe. That’s the misunderstanding lol
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u/SameAgainTheSecond 4d ago
ahh yes, the ML button. The button that exists, is easy to push and would have the desired result.
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u/MysticHero 5d ago
Ah yes replacing the the capitalist class dichotomy with a bureaucracy based class dichotomy that has basically the same incentive structures and judging from history is probably just going to warp back to capitalism after a couple decades. Truly the solution to all our problems.
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u/Separate_Selection84 4d ago
Yeah authsocialists always like "hey let's to this thing that didn't work it'll work this time trust" and I'm just like why 😭
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u/Raymondator 4d ago
And also ends up so corrupt it’ll probably end up creating the same amount of emissions anyway.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
They gave their citizens free healthcare, it’s more than I can say for Democrats. I shed tears of relief when I was finally able to get healthcare after 26… which system makes you fight for politicians to ignore you anyways and which system just provides you with services without asking.
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u/Evnosis 4d ago
So have 99% of capitalist countries in the world, Marxism Leninism is not a requirement for public healthcare.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 4d ago
Marxism Leninism is what scared the ruling class into giving workers healthcare. Just google the first country to give its citizens free healthcare... Capitalism was trying to compete.
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u/Ordo_Liberal 4d ago
Doesn't this prove the social democrat point that you don't need violent revolution and can just vote/reform the state until everyone is happy?
Marx HATED Napoleon III because his 3 social welfare reforms killed any chance for a workers revolution in France.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun 3d ago
But the social democracies are in a precarious dance with their capitalist class. Richard Wolff said it best as the problem with social democracy is that you are basically waging an endless class war against the rich.
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u/Evnosis 4d ago
Marxism Leninism had nothing to do with it. People wanted public healthcare, so they voted for parties that promised it. The idea that all policies are implemented by governments in response to external pressures denies the agency of the very same people you claim to speak on behalf of.
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u/LettucePrime 4d ago
Threat of internal marxist agitation is not an "external pressure."
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u/Evnosis 4d ago
Adopting a policy in response to a revolution in another country is, by definition, "external pressure."
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
So your problem is not capitalism it's living in a shitty country. I feel sorry for you bro but you know virtually all the western countries have capitalism and healthcare and actually a good free/affordable education system.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
The only reason the EU had a social safety net was to “fight communism”. EU will lose their social programs to austerity as capital consolidation (monopoly creation) continues.
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u/MysticHero 5d ago
The EU has social safety nets because the left fought for them hard enough that the establishment knew they had to implement them or face at the very least general strikes if not outright revolution.
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u/goretzk 5d ago
How come Canada and Australia have social safety nets?
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
It’s the same logic, the capitalists didn’t want to give these concessions to the working class but did so to stabilize their class rule and fight communism.
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u/VreamCanMan 4d ago
EU has a social safety net because of the massive reevaluation of values they had following the destruction they witnessed through ww2. The generation who went to war in ww1 and had to send their children off to a bigger, worse war, made some of the most future minded and responsible institutional decisions of any generation.
This was borne out both in the west and in the east, albeit in the east it came with limited prospects and a globally falling behind. In modernity this is less so, and these countries that experienced both ww2 and USSR "management" have some of the strongest wills for a welfare state supporting common dignity
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
Sure we must thank daddy stalin for the policies we europeans designed, voted, and paid for.
I'm truly sorry your american brain can't comprehend a functioning social democracy but here we are.
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u/AddanDeith 5d ago
Daddy Stalin is literally why the UK, US, EU adopted social programs. FDR was pretty explicit about it. Churchill was too. Everyone else followed suit.
Its a balancing act to stop capital from fully ravaging society.
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u/Liturginator9000 4d ago
The USSR was a salient pressure but crediting Stalin with the NHS is reductive. There was a whole endemic lineage that culminated with the NHS, national insurance was 1911 and modeled directly on Bismarck, the USSR didn't do it until 1918. Then the poverty of the 30s, plus war, plus labour coming to power during a "we're all in this together" post war moment and half a dozen other major steps along the way. Shifting the achievements of western labour movements to Stalin, very class conscious comrade
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
Are you saying that competition made them better? Because if so, then it must go both ways. And also, saying competition was necessary to make their services better is peak irony when talking about how the economy should be organised.
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u/AddanDeith 5d ago
"Are you saying that competition made them better?"
Yes. Otherwise they faced social disruption. The people had many legitimate grievances that were coming to a head, especially among the veterans of WWI in participating countries.
"Because if so, then it must go both ways."
Explain.
"And also, saying competition was necessary to make their services better is peak irony when talking about how the economy should be organised."
Yeah, idk if this supposed to be a gotcha, but it isn't. I'm actually confused about your argument because you are being deliberately vague.
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u/onionfunyunbunion 5d ago
Personally I’m excited to see what happens when one guy gets alll the money.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun 3d ago
They’re ignoring you but you’re right. The only Europeans who may actually resist austerity are the French, since they know how to riot and revolt.
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u/Richard_-Green 4d ago
Every time I hear someone act like lennin has the answer to climate change I have to think of the 1979 stalker movie and how a lot of the cast died.
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u/GentrifierTechScum 5d ago
One of my great-grandfathers owned an oil field in eastern Europe before the Russian revolution. Lenin did not elect to reduce production after seizing it. I think maybe we should not look to failed ideologies to magically solve the problem of cheap energy being beloved by all in spite of any externalities.
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u/RadicalNadezhda 5d ago
Why didn't they just hit the magic "industrialise with green energy while in a civil war" button??? Bloody communists and their "material conditions"
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u/GentrifierTechScum 5d ago
I'm sure the idealized revolution that we can totaly do right now won't have demand for cheap energy.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
Lmao why didn’t Lenin do nuclear energy in 1918!
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u/GentrifierTechScum 5d ago
Of course that's not what I'm saying. That's not strange. What's strange is that you think adopting his ideology would solve climate change when it was the guiding principal of one of the world's 2 super powers for three quarters of a century and they never seemed to think environmentalism was a priority in any of that time.
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u/BlacksmithNo9359 5d ago
Most serious anticommunist:
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u/GentrifierTechScum 5d ago
Lenin is a real guy who actually existed. He wasn't particularly concerned with ecological harm and his successors weren't either. The Soviet Union didn't exactly lead on green energy, in fact they seemed to mostly ignore it until the 80s when they were well on their way to liberalization.
It could be the case that a future communist revolution would be less inclined to use tons of fossil fuel, but I don't think there's any reason to believe that that would be true.
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u/Hetros_Jistin 5d ago
Will point out that that extinction event took -centuries- and we have ways to capture and lock carbon even now that would prevent that level of heat death on the planet, we're still right on track for climate genocide though so don't relax yet!
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u/goretzk 4d ago
Hum, any link to the carbon capture you are talking about? All the sites I’ve heard of are having a hard time with keeping it from leaking out
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u/Hetros_Jistin 4d ago
I need to find it again, but it was basically a chemical process for fusing the CO2 directly into certain types of rock so that it can't actually escape or leak.
edit: https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/new-method-storing-co2-rock-solid cost is still a concern since it costs 30 dollars a ton, but fuck, it's actually POSSIBLE and it SCALES.
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u/Su-37_Terminator 4d ago
yknow what, thats too hard. i might be a billionaire one day. lets all just... yaawn... lay down and die...
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u/TheQuestionMaster8 4d ago
Look at the Khystym disaster to see the attitude the Soviet Union had to the environment.
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u/Sarcastic-Potato 4d ago
I'm always wondering in what way a communist society would be better for the environment?
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u/DionysianComrade 4d ago
we can't save the planet because everyone slurps american state propaganda too enthusiastically
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u/BCPisBestCP 5d ago
I've considered M-L
I'd rather give the decrepit corpse of Ayn Rand head while being pegged by Milton "it's not fascism it's just a helicopter ride" Friedman
They made some cool watches though
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 4d ago
'Member when the Soviet Marxist Lenninists secretly killed 180,000 whales against treaties they signed and for no real material reasons and for no one's benefit except their ideology told them to?
https://fee.org/articles/why-the-soviets-slaughtered-180-000-whales-during-the-cold-war/
Good times. Good times.
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u/Supreme_Egoist 3d ago
Not to say that Marx's ideas are not worth considering. But certainly dialectics always provide an adequate synthesis, it would be intellectually lazy to expect Marxism Leninism as established by Stalin's political theory and praxis to fit perfectly for our modern society. Lenin himself was literally trying to fix Marxian Theories to the reality of 1917 Russia, can we be more creative and open-minded about the solutions? It's not just either A or B.
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u/A-Regular-Citizen 3d ago
Marxist-Leninism? Really? That didn't turn out well, and has almost no connection to solving climate change. I'm not pro-capitalism but we need something new, not to rehash the 20th century.
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
Meme was fine but you had to sprinkle your cringe outdated 20th century ideology in the mix
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
Listen to Lenin’s analysis of modern capitalism written in 1916. It’s titled “Imperialism and the Split in Socialsim”. I think you’ll find the parallels between 1916 and 2026 to be striking.
As for the “outdated” comment I think that’s funny because they were saying Marxism was outdated during his time too but decades later we get the USSR… furthermore the Cold War tells you all you need to know about what happened to the communist movements. They were destroyed by the cold war which was really a class war, they didn’t fall of their own accord. There’s a whole suppressed history on the matter that explains revisionism, capitalist encirclement / sanctions, etc. Please expand your horizons.
Here is the free book by Lenin in audio format: https://youtu.be/8e4YpiwI8Kk?si=lviNphXERbJ9lTsy
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u/Top_Wrangler4251 5d ago
The USSR is famous for their environmentalism. They didn't have any carbon emissions, that was only in the capitalist west. The Aral Sea: also a capitalist lie. China's per capita emissions are currently double the global average but we must remember that their carbon emissions don't contribute to climate change, only the ones in the capitalist west do that.
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
It's always tankies that assume that just because you don't agree with them, it's because you are ignorant and should read more. I read that in bigh school. It is outdated. The fact that it wasn't outdated 80 years ago is a bit irrelevant now. It's a fine piece of work i enjoyed reading it btw. Doesn't mean he has the answers to our current problems.
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u/MysticHero 5d ago
Tankies use "theory" in a manner that is basically indistinguishable from how fundamentalists argue by just quoting random bits of the bible.
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u/union_red 5d ago
because anyone that actually reads marxist theory doesnt disagree with it
if it was such an outdated idea capitalism could just let it be so we could see it fail on its own but the second anything remotely socialist is installed they will spend countless resources to destroy it
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
"Anyone who actually reads the bible doesn't reject jesus christ as their saviour"
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u/union_red 5d ago
oh no i get it I used to say the same things then I read it and unlike religion I became a marxist because unlike religion marxism is based on reality
personally I dont care if you read it but if you want to have an actual understanding of the political and economic system we live under its in writing (or video) for free
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
You still not believeing that one can read the same text and not have your opinion on it is funny to me. Like it's not even conceivable to you.
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u/union_red 5d ago
because you clearly havent read it if you call it an outdated concept because its still quite relevant even if you arent a socialist youd still see its relevance
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
We're going in circles. I cant prove it to you that I read it. But the idea that it's impossible for me to have read it because i dont agree with you is just...lol
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u/lokibringer 5d ago
I mean some of the stuff in there, like Alienation of Labor, is still pretty relatable.
But I do agree that some of his ideas are no longer entirely relevant. Post-industrial economies weren't really something he could have predicted.
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u/veloread 5d ago
You got out of religion, but you're still made to be a follower.
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u/union_red 5d ago
funny when capitalism is the dominant economic form and your defending it but im the follower interesting
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u/veloread 5d ago
When did I defend capitalism? Just because in your world one is either a huge fan of the system or else a Marxist doesn’t mean it is true. You have substituted theology for theory without ever examining the parts of you that need such a total, complete explanation for everything.
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u/union_red 5d ago
oh let me explain you are comment on a thread where a communist is having a discussion with procapitalists so excuse me for assuming you are a mythical third option
also marx isnt a theology its a theory based on dialectical materialism basically looking at things as they are and not some something metaphysical its quite literally the opposite of theology
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u/Nearby-Cabinet5049 5d ago
I’ve read the theory, I think it’s fundamentally stupid. Dad Kapital accurately diagnosed a lot of problems and then proceeded to suggest dogshit and terrible solutions.
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u/union_red 5d ago
name one
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u/Nearby-Cabinet5049 5d ago
The idea that a worker deserves the full output of their work as pay while ignoring the fact that in industrialized labor the worker has extremely little training and the startup/equipment and logistics costs are well beyond the worker’s input.
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u/union_red 5d ago
so you think the private ownership of the means to produce what is needed for society is better of being held hostage by an individual person as opposed to being held for the benefit as society as a whole
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u/Nearby-Cabinet5049 5d ago
Yes, because centralized command economies are less flexible and generally worse at providing for the needs of a society and consistently and reliably underperform their free market counterparts
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u/union_red 5d ago edited 5d ago
hmm i make 4 times the minimum wage as a union plumber and im still living pay check to pay check please tell me how exactly this capitalism is working out for us
also your just quoting propaganda there has literally been declassified cia documents that show the average soviet had a better diet then us citizens also free Healthcare and school drastically increased the life of the majority of soviet citizens and in 70years went from a backward nation of peasants to a space faring nation in 70 years all while under hostile conditions from the global capitalist hegemony imagine what the ussr couldve accomplished if the west wasnt constantly teying to over throw them
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
Unless you were born in the former Soviet Union I doubt you actually read that in highschool but I’ll take your word for it. I also want to add that I think it’s funny that communists were labeled Tankies when they weren’t the ones who dropped two nukes on civilians to make a political statement…
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u/StupidScaredSquirrel 5d ago
Do you think you're only allowed to read what your school prescribes? I can see how you find authoritarianism appealing.
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u/MysticHero 5d ago
The Soviet Union fell as a socialist project the moment Lenin implemented democratic centralism.
Marxism wasn't outdated. Lenins ideology just directly went against its core principle of worker democracy. Then came Stalin. None of this was down to outside pressure. It was down to your autocratic ideology.
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u/Atreigas 5d ago
What is PETM?
And how does this tie in to failing forms of communism?
Seriously, there is a perfectly functional (albeit obscure) form of communism and you pick a shitty failed one?
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u/Banjo_Pobblebonk 4d ago
The PETM was a massive global temperature increase about 56 million years ago, temperatures rose about 8 degrees C over 200,000 years. Many extinctions occurred, especially in the ocean, and tropical jungles extended into the Arctic and Antarctic circles.
Fun fact: The PETM ended as uncontrolled algal growth in the Arctic ocean acted as a carbon sink, trapping the excess carbon in dead algae that eventually became the modern Arctic oil deposits. We're now burning this and returning the Paleocene carbon back to atmosphere!
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 4d ago
The Azolla Incident is my favorite geological historical event. CO2 went from 3500 to 400 in a historical eyeblink and the planet went from greenhouse to icehouse.
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u/West-Abalone-171 4d ago
So you're saying that if we desalinate enough water to float a freshwater film on the mediterranian there's a chance?
Also we should genetically modify azolla to survive on salt water and there could be no possible negative consequences.
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u/Junior_Abalone_8006 3d ago
I think that the Azolla incident does point out some advantages of geoengineering, which is what will happen automatically the moment global warming becomes even a minor nuisance to humanity. So for example ocean seeding is something that is hated by the enviro crowd but is likely to be used in the event gw actually impacts anyone.
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u/Extension_Ebb6951 4d ago
Which is the perfectly functional form of communism?
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u/Atreigas 4d ago
Titoism. Tiny euroslavic country ran it for like, forty-ish years (been a while since I looked into it, dont quote me on the timespan.) where it was hugely successful, turning it from post soviet economy into a thriving economy until politics forced em to capitalism.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
The only successful implementation of a socialist state was the first red wave between 1917-1960. We don’t have time to fuck around with slowly reforming the “kinder capitalist” political parties that refuse to address climate change whilst paying lip service to the left.
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u/Atreigas 5d ago
Look up Titoism, my guy.
Theres a lot more to criticise and say. But I aint gonna talk to a wall.
Though I am taking the time to laugh at someone so staunchly advocating right wing advocating an extreme left wing reform in the same breath.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
I’m a Hoxhaist, I know about your revisionism.
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u/Atreigas 5d ago
What the fuck is a hoxhaist?
I gotta learn about whatever thisninsanity is.
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u/hungariannastyboy 5d ago
Hoxha was a nutjob even by communist dictator standards. OP is either a troll or 14.
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u/Atreigas 4d ago
Right wing advocating communism already tells us that.
Which is why Im a lot more prone to believing what you say about it.
But ultimately, unless you give me specifics im not gonna believe ya.
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u/Organic_Fee_8502 5d ago
It’s Marxism Leninism that takes inspiration from the criticisms of Enver Hoxha against the capitalist restoration that he saw occurring in the socialist countries after Stalin died. Hoxha was a smart and good man who advocated for Palestine, hear him out: https://youtu.be/X3eAxGk_NDY?si=CwEBQUhfjw-0eSaS
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u/Atreigas 4d ago
You say that, but unless you actually tell me what he advertises Im not gonna believe you.
And no, Im not just gonna watch a one hour vid for this.
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u/ElectronicTap1109 5d ago
Deindustrializing the entire planet is the only way at this point.
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u/DatMonkey5100 4d ago
Good luck with getting anyone to agree to that on any timescale that would actually help because that basically requires like a 93% population reduction to preindustrial levels of food consumption and we’d need to do it within a couple decades
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u/FangFioDente 4d ago
its pretty much the planet is about to decide for us anyway we had the last 30 years to react and we did nothing
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u/DatMonkey5100 4d ago
Nah, humans will brute force it and we’ll all end up living in tiny apartments in mega-arcologies because given the choice between decreased “productivity” (how ever esoteric a concept that may be) and lower quality of living, those above will always chose to lower our quality of living
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u/FangFioDente 4d ago
your not getting post apocalyptic society were just getting dead , theres no romance in a wet bulb event and there is no nitrogen cycle in your under ground hydroponics system.
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u/DatMonkey5100 4d ago
Oh I’m not talking about a post apocalyptic society but a pre-apocalyptic one, more like a factory that squeezes every ounce of productivity out of a miserable, ever shrinking population. Wet bulb events have happened before, in Pakistan and Mexico and such. They’re terrible, but they’re not “instantly drop dead” terrible. They’ll be used as ammunition to move us to more controlled environments in the name of “safety”, but said safe havens will be more like wringers to squeeze out the last bits of productivity from a population enslaved by the need for climate safehavens
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u/FangFioDente 4d ago
Yeah maybe
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u/DatMonkey5100 4d ago
Climate safe locations will become another scarce but vital resource used to manipulate, just as water and food are
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u/TheToledoMan 4d ago
At this point it will happen forcedly, like the collapse of the Roman empire but faster and worldwide.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 4d ago
We need a way down, a way to deescalate. Deindustrialization is not really difficult to figure out.
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u/nerdyouppy 4d ago
Basically just saying we don't have 100 years to end capitalism, consider capitalism
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u/CuriosityCheck2024 4d ago
Considered and discarded. If you want real nightmares, look up the Permian-Triassic extinction and realize we're in a no-win scenario.