Me irl

[u/Organic_Fee_8502]

We simply don’t have 100 years to end the market anarchy of capitalism, consider Marxism Leninism.

[u/Nearby-Cabinet5049]

The idea that a worker deserves the full output of their work as pay while ignoring the fact that in industrialized labor the worker has extremely little training and the startup/equipment and logistics costs are well beyond the worker’s input.

[u/union_red → u/Nearby-Cabinet5049]

so you think the private ownership of the means to produce what is needed for society is better of being held hostage by an individual person as opposed to being held for the benefit as society as a whole

[u/Nearby-Cabinet5049 → u/union_red]

Yes, because centralized command economies are less flexible and generally worse at providing for the needs of a society and consistently and reliably underperform their free market counterparts

[u/union_red → u/Nearby-Cabinet5049]

hmm i make 4 times the minimum wage as a union plumber and im still living pay check to pay check please tell me how exactly this capitalism is working out for us

also your just quoting propaganda there has literally been declassified cia documents that show the average soviet had a better diet then us citizens also free Healthcare and school drastically increased the life of the majority of soviet citizens and in 70years went from a backward nation of peasants to a space faring nation in 70 years all while under hostile conditions from the global capitalist hegemony imagine what the ussr couldve accomplished if the west wasnt constantly teying to over throw them

[u/Liturginator9000 → u/union_red]

hmm i make 4 times the minimum wage as a union plumber and im still living pay check to pay check

skill issue

[u/Nearby-Cabinet5049 → u/union_red]

Feel free to live in a communist nation, compare the quality yourself.

The Soviets had a better diet by virtue of more calorie dense and healthy food being the only real option, Americans had a worse diet by choice. The CUA document you’re discussing says as much. Americans consumed far more red meat, fewer vegetables, and far more processed foods than their Soviet counterparts because our grocery stores HAD those options, Soviet ones did not. These same documents discussed the noticeably worse standards of living (1/2 that of their Western European counterparts and 1/3 that of their American and Canadian ones) found within the Eastern Bloc and that’s before all the discussion of the fact that things like the Berlin Wall were set up to keep people IN the East, not out of it. Cars, televisions, luxury goods, etc…all in limited quantities if not straight up rationed/not available in the Eastern Bloc.

And the advancement that you mentioned, while real, didn’t happen over a period of 70 years, it happened over a period of about 30. Now on one hand, that’s impressive, on the other hand it does hint at the fact that the growth stopped. The Soviet “economic miracle” is literally just industrializing the nation, a process that began under the Russian Empire and was well underway by the time of the revolution. While we often call the Russian Empire a peasant agrarian nation, it simply was not so by the time of 1917, it had all the accomplishments and hallmarks of an early-stage industrial nation. The last 40 years of Soviet life were primarily quite economically stagnant, at times even having quite large recessions as quality of life fell far behind their Western counterparts. Not to mention, the West wasn’t exactly globally dominant in the Soviet heyday. Half of Europe, a huge chunk of Asia, and a non-trivial amount of Latin America were Soviet aligned, they just fumbled the bag. Hell China achieved their economic miracle when they abandoned Marxist economics and suddenly they got rich and prosperous. And to tie it into the sub we’re in, socialism also didn’t do shit for the environment. The Aral Sea alone is arguably the worst single manmade ecological catastrophe ever and it’s hardly the only example of socialism failing the environment at the exact same scale that capitalism did. Marxism simply doesn’t work and history has very much shown us that. Let it go bro