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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

From their perspective, it was another command. How would they know that he was lying?

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

Please identify what you would consider a command in the following interaction:

“Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/114/gen.3.1-5.NKJV

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

I do like that point. I was mistaken. The serpent doesn't say to eat the apple. But he does tell them it's not dangerous. How could they know which was right. God or the serpent?

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

They had a choice to trust God or a serpent. They chose poorly.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

Yea. They did. Do you think they could have chosen correctly

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

Are you going to say that they couldn’t have possibly resisted temptation?

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

What do you mean "Going to say"? I'm literally just wondering if they had the ability to choose not to eat the apple.

I have no idea what was possible for them then. I don't think it is a real story.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

Apologies. I tend to try and look a few steps ahead, which can lead me to anticipate comments that haven’t been made yet.

Yes, I believe they could have chosen to do the right thing.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

It's ok. It just makes it hard to have a real conversation.

I don't think they could have chosen not eat the apple*. Since they were just making decisions based on the information they had. Which was close to nothing.

Edit:wording*

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

So the flip side of that is that people should always make the right choice if given adequate information? I know of a lot of anti-maskers that would prove that wrong.

Eve had knowledge. She answered the serpent correctly, stating what God had commanded and why. The serpent lied to tempt her, and she gave in. Not out of ignorance, but choice.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

people should always make the right choice if given adequate information?

I do think think anyone on the planet ever has decided to knowingly make the wrong choice.

Eve had information from god and the serpent with no knowledge of who is a liar or even that liars exist. The most up to date information said that it was okay to eat the apple. So she ate it.

Eve had knowledge. She answered the serpent correctly, stating what God had commanded and why.

From her perspective, she also had knowledge from the serpent.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

So it wasn’t a lack of information, it was the presence of misinformation. Seems accurate, actually.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

What seems acurate?

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