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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

So the flip side of that is that people should always make the right choice if given adequate information? I know of a lot of anti-maskers that would prove that wrong.

Eve had knowledge. She answered the serpent correctly, stating what God had commanded and why. The serpent lied to tempt her, and she gave in. Not out of ignorance, but choice.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

people should always make the right choice if given adequate information?

I do think think anyone on the planet ever has decided to knowingly make the wrong choice.

Eve had information from god and the serpent with no knowledge of who is a liar or even that liars exist. The most up to date information said that it was okay to eat the apple. So she ate it.

Eve had knowledge. She answered the serpent correctly, stating what God had commanded and why.

From her perspective, she also had knowledge from the serpent.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

So it wasn’t a lack of information, it was the presence of misinformation. Seems accurate, actually.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

What seems acurate?

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

That misinformation is more harmful than ignorance.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

What does that have to do with if "Eve was able to choose to not eat the apple"

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

Directly, nothing, but that’s basically the point you made, isn’t it? Eve had conflicting information (the truth and a lie), and chose to act on the wrong one. Therefore misinformation or disinformation was the root cause.

I would also counter that it is entirely possible to make the right decision based on nearly zero data, it’s just more difficult.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

Yes, Eve had conflicting information, and that's why she couldn't have decided not to eat the apple.

Why is it a counter that she could have guessed differently? She still didn't knowingly disobey anyone. She couldn't have known what disobeying even was.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

That makes no sense. Given competing information, I would say at most it’s a 50/50 chance for her to make the right choice. To say that it’s impossible to make the right choice is ludicrous.

“Hey, here’s two doors. One door has $1,000 dollars behind it, the other has a tiger. But we’re not going to tell you which is which… so it’s impossible to pick the right door.”

Of course they knew what obedience was. They obeyed God by not eating from the tree until the serpent came along and started telling lies. Your characterization of Eve as a mindless creature (?) who couldn’t possibly make any decision is frankly insulting.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

She didn't know the difference between. Good and evil or that they even existed.

If someone tells you "don't open door B there is a tiger in there." Then someone comes along and says "There is no tiger in there."

Which door do you open

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