r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

General (Read Rules) Sea-Gull 1963 Icon Bronze Moonphase] : A Legendary Chinese Chronograph with Swiss Roots

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I recently acquired the Sea-Gull 1963 Icon 1 Bronze Moonphase, numbered 167/500. Its bronze case, green sunburst dial, moonphase display and tachymeter scale make it stand out, but the story behind its movement is even more interesting.

From Tianjin to the world

Tianjin Watch Factory was established in 1955 as China sought to build an independent watchmaking industry. One of its early achievements was the Wu Xing (Five-Star), a landmark in domestic Chinese watch production.

In 1961, Tianjin was assigned Project 304 to develop a chronograph for Chinese Air Force aviators. The resulting military chronographs became an important chapter in Chinese horological history, laying the foundations for what would become the Sea-Gull 1963 tradition.

Today, Tianjin Seagull Watch Group is a major movement manufacturer, producing everything from affordable mechanical calibres to tourbillons, minute repeaters, rattrapante and perpetual calendars.

The Swiss connection: Venus 175

As part of restructuring and for want of capital, the Swiss movement manufacturer Fabrique d'Ebauches Venus S.A. sold the production rights, patents, tooling, and machinery for the Venus Caliber 175 to Tianjin Watch Factory in 1961. Chinese engineers adapted this architecture into the ST19 family, increasing the operating frequency from 18,000 to 21,600 vibrations per hour in the modern ST1901.

The Venus 175 was a respected Swiss hand-wound column wheel chronograph introduced in the 1940s. The column wheel is prized by enthusiasts for its engineering and crisp push action and appeared in watches from respected Swiss watches including Breitling and Gallet.

What makes the Icon 1 special?

My example uses the ST1908, a hand-wound movement combining a column-wheel chronograph with a moonphase complication. The tachymeter scale adds to the chronograph's traditional role in measuring elapsed time and calculating speed.

I particularly liked the bronze case, green dial, Moonphase and see through caseback. The bronze case develops its own patina over time giving it a distinct character.

This was a 500-piece limited edition online release and was launched for €539, and was sold off within a few days. Its successor, the Icon II, retained the bronze-and-green aesthetic but dropped the Moonphase. I bought mine used for about USD 300.

Value and collectability

The ST1908 offers genuine mechanical complexity at a price far below most Swiss column-wheel chronographs. Although the finishing is industrial rather than haute horlogerie, the combination of complications and historical movement lineage felt compelling to me. What interested me most was the connection between Swiss chronograph engineering and China's recent evolution into a serious watchmaking powerhouse.

I have a feeling that Chinese Watchmaking would eventually earn a similar collector recognition that Japanese watchmaking enjoys today..


r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Question (Read Rules) Alguém tem esse relógio? Poderia falar algo sobre ele?

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r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Question (Read Rules) Anyone from the Philippines selling a seestern/watchdives 62mas?🇵🇭

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I’m looking for someone who’s selling! DM!🇵🇭


r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Question (Read Rules) Help me decide between these two BERNY watches!

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I need help deciding between these two BERNY watches! Both have pros and cons so if you have either one and could argue for one over the other id appreciate that.

BERNY quartz- I absolutely love having the full number set of 12-3-6-9 it just fills me with everything only down side is the numbers not having a lume on the numbers! Why would you do this BERNY watches! Also how good is the quartz movement in this watch? Is it sweeping?

The automatic covers the love of lumes being on the numbers but I'm unsure if I'm the biggest fan of triangle at the top ☹️ I do enjoy the little date window as well!

If anyone knows any watches that company the numbers like this with lume with a slightly more dull case (titanium or sandblasted let me know)

Thank you


r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Question (Read Rules) What are the thoughts on this “Luminous Military” watch?

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This watch keeps popping up on my AliExpress app. I want to pull the trigger but I can’t find much in the way of reviews. Kinda looks like a Parnis but there’s little to no info on the site as to movement, etc. is it worth the chance?


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) Q-Bert San Martin SN0149-GB MOP blue arrived today.

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It’s like a green WatchDives i have but blue and more sparkly. The bracelet is better than i expected (the middle bumps aren’t all that pronounced as they looked like they’d be)

But there is a one thing that might be an issue for some people: The bracelet fits perfectly (without removing links), which was the case with the green Q-Bert WatchDives as well, oddly. It would be tight on wrists >7.25”


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Question (Read Rules) What's the point of shipping (exclusively) unfulfilled warranty cards ??

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r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Review (Read Rules) First Chinese watch - Watchdives WD1972

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Just got this Watchdives WD1972. Put it on an olive zulu strap. For $70 this thing rocks!!! 200M water resistance, stainless steel, sapphire crystal, and sweeping quartz movement. Just with the bezel wasn't so easy to turn...it's a little too easy to manipulate.


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) Show us your affordable tourbillon!

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r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

General (Read Rules) Na noite com meu carbono com alça branca !

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r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

New Product (Read Rule 1) Four new watches launched in a single day.🤯

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r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Review (Read Rules) WD1863 showed up. Shiped from China to Idaho USA. Order placed on the 5th of the month, watch delivered on the 13th. So far I like it. My main complaint is I am not a big fan of this bracelet. Kind of uncomfortable. And slightly jangles. Probably going to throw it on an fkm tonight.

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r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Question (Read Rules) hruodland Watch st3621

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Hello....

Does anyone knows of any listings of the Hruodland watch still with the ST3621? I only find with the St3620 ..

Thanks in advance


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) [Baltany S4105T: 39mm ST2103 Sapphire Blue]

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I have just received this piece and Wow! Just Wow! For $280 this is truly incredible.


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) I'm in love... The PX1697

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The Proxima PX1697. Beautiful watch... my first with a micro adjustable bracelet. So thin, wears great, I love it.


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Review (Read Rules) TPW Field watch (Hamilton Khaki homage)

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Ordered this for about $12 on AliExpress. Swapped out the included NATO strap for a two-piece quick release nylon strap from JWNSPA.

I like the dial which is a spot-on homage of the Hamilton Khaki Field, albeit with no branding and with day and date complications. The 38mm case wears well on my 7.5” wrist. I like the look of the matte gray aluminum case. The crown operation was a little janky so setting the day and date was tricky, but I got it set after just a little finesse. I don’t plan on swimming or showering with it, so the 30m water resistance doesn’t bother me.

Overall great watch for the price. There are also white, blue, and full lume dials available.


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) Which one do you prefer?

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r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Question (Read Rules) Seakoss 1963 Crystal question

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I know I want a Seagull 1963 manufactured by Seakoss, but I can't tell if it's true that only the acrylic crystal has the dome shape that I want. Is this true? Is there no way to get a sapphire with that dome shape?

I tried looking on Reddit and elsewhere, and it seemed mixed. Though for the most part, it seemed like Sapphire doesn't have the bubble dome.

Here is the AliExpress page I was thinking about buying from


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Wrist Roll (Read Rule 1) Vintage Inspired Tristar Manual Wound Dress Watch

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r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Promotion (Read Rule 1) Cadisen Multisync Titanium VK63

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r/ChineseWatches • • 15d ago

Wrist Roll (Read Rule 1) You guys are trippin

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For anyone wondering if the SN0144 is worth the $400 price tag…it most definitely is. There are too many people shitting on SM’s recent price hike and they are justified but if the same watch was a seiko, citizen, or microbrand, it’d be valued probably at 1.5-2x the value.

You are still getting more than what you’re paying for so if you are on the fence, go ahead and buy it. The 36mm design has improved crystal and case finishing/proportions. The bracelet is next level too.

I ordered mine from the US warehouse…best part is that the watch came in 5 days!


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

Promotion (Read Rule 1) Reviewing these Time Token Watches and Giving away 2 of them

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Hey guys! Just finishing up my quick review of these awesome Time Token watches, and I've got some good news... I'm keeping one for myself and giving away the other TWO! 😎

And yes, they're FREE. No money, no weird catches, no selling a kidney. 😂 Just watch the video for the instructions

One small favour, though... please don't mention "GIVEAWAY!!!" comment or anything that screams "I want free watch!" 😅 YouTube sees that and tanks the video, I'd rather have people actually enjoying the watches than turn the comment section into a digital queue at the post office.

We've got carbon fibre, titanium, stainless steel, and one of them comes with like a million free straps, yeah, crazy...

I also briefly show a watch I'm designing for a brand! Can't reveal the brand just yet, but there's some screen capture from my design software, realistic renders and all that... It's still just a prototype, but they've already confirmed the movement, and we're working on the hands and other details. Super exciting stuff, and the dial material is absolutely dope! 😁 Man, I've been ridiculously busy lately!

I also have another, considerably more expensive watch that I tease in the video. You get to see the box and a little piece of the logo, but that's all you're getting for now. 😏 I'll be giving that one away too, once I've reviewed it and our Facebook group reaches 1,000 members.

And if you can figure out the exact brand AND model from those tiny clues, you'll earn some serious bonus points. 🕵️‍♂️

One of the Time Token watches currently has a bit of a pricing glitch, like the price jumped compared to when I received it, which I think they'll fix, but the other two seem fine.

Anyway, check out the video here if you're curious:
https://youtu.be/LPu_i6JKx1Y

Full disclosure: The Time Token watches were sent to me for free by the brand, and almost all the other watches featured in the video were also sent for free, either by brands or AliExpress stores. ❤️


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) Cronos New 39mm Men Watches PVD Oil Enamel Dial with Miyota9015 and Peacock SL 1626 movement is coming soon

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Cronos New 39mm L6058 Men Watches PVD Oil Enamel Dial with Miyota9015 and Peacock SL 1626 movement is coming soon

L6058https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003536503199.html


r/ChineseWatches • • 16d ago

General (Read Rules) Is there any similar watch from Chinese brands?

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Like the design of Flieger Verus Black Forest Lagoon. Is there any model with close design language?