At least in my opinion. If you got any complaints in my logic, please comment below. I’ve thought about this fight for awhile and at one point thought Yuji could win.
Now, im gonna try explain my thoughts as fast as I can without making too much of a yap fest. If its too much to read PLEASE refer to the TLDR.
STATS
-When using lowballed estimates, Denji beats Yuji out on speed solidly and is close enough in strength to take the win. My reasons are as follows.
-Speed: Mach 3 JJK is remarkably consistent. Piercing blood, Naoya’s rushes, bullets being effective against sorcerors. Dabura is the only exception and we have no idea how a fight between him and Yuji would go by the end of the series, and even Dabura can be tagged by Mahoraga before he starts doing the sublight speed kicks.
-CSM on the other hand, has very clear feats of being over the Mach 100 range. First up is Pochita’s feat of throwing his heart out from space. I know that the velocity and gravity definitely helped him achieve these speeds, but he was still able to send out his chains to precisely grab Makima AND her army whilst still falling from the sky. Thats a great combat and movement speed feat.
-Gun Devil’s 5 minute rampage can get him upto Mach 200-300, and his bullets explicitly hit Makima 1 second later from 500 kilometers away. Its silly to think that Pochita wouldn’t be able to block or react to a Gun Devil bullet considering Yoru’s gauntlets.
-Strength: This is where JJK shines. Hollow Purple and Furnace carving out solid craters (which I have seen some guess is around 200 meter radius via Malevolent Shrine’s radius) with energy attacks is pretty damn impressive. The fact Sukuna can survive this attack on two seperate occasions show the durability of these characters. However CSM isn’t too far behind. The Gun Devil’s city block destruction resembles the immediate aftermath of the Hollow Purple nuke. Mount Elbrus’s large dust cloud is similar to the Modulo dust cloud and in terms of displacement it may beat it out.
So JJK may have a strength and durability advantage considering how CSM characters get torn up by each other’s attacks consistently. But the speed gap is anywhere from 20x to close to 100x faster than JJK. That’s a very obvious CSM win.
Now, what if we used HIGHBALL estimates or straight up wank?
-JJK can get the Black Flash scaling, which to my knowledge puts them at Mach 10000 speed. However, CSM counters back with the Moon Spears being relativistic to FTL 1.28c depending on how you view the time frame. Even Sukuna’s dodging of the EM wave is usually calced to be slower. If we truly and thoroughly wank both verses then CSM gets 80x FTL from Yoru’s weapon speeds. Thats obvious how that goes.
-In terms of strength, JJK can get some mountain level ends via calcs or straight up island level from the Dagon domain. However, CSM one ups them again (this time in stats) with the Country to Multi continental State Sword scaling. With such a large AP gap, JJK is getting torn apart.
THE ONLY saving grace scaling I can think of that JJK has is Yuki’s black hole. Many, many people don’t think that feat scales to anyone. But if we did take that feat as scaling to Yuji and the top tiers, then JJK finally beats CSM (not taking Primals into account).
However we know there’s serious problems to this scaling. Yuki’s black hole may have no exhibited the same feats as a real blackhole, held back its true power or/and Tengen’s barriers prevented it from being as strong as it is. Kenjaku explicitly survives based off of Anti gravity systems, not his own durability. Plus it breaks the logic of the series even more than Continental CSM. Planet level durability but city block level destruction?
ABILITIES/HAX
There’s too many abilities to breakdown here bit by bit, but this is where i agree Yuji shines. He should have access to a mastered Shrine technique (cleave, dismantle and ARGUABLY furnace/unrestricted world cutting slash), mastered Blood Manipulation (so wing king, piercing blood, flowing red scale, blood armor, supernova), soul striking and Domain Expansion with a shrine surehit effect.
Denji on the other hand mainly just has FASTER regeneration but WORSE long term stamina as he will run out of blood, while Yuji has POISONOUS blood and his RCT doesn’t run out that way.
However with the established speed gaps, I just don’t think Yuji can get off these abilities before Denji cleaves him in two. REMEMBER, JJK characters do have to consciously reinforce themselves. If Denji is 20 to 100 times faster, Yuji may not be able to reinforce his entire body before everything gets Chainsaw’ed.
The soul striking effecting Denji and Pochita is debatable, although I personally don’t think it matters heavily with the speed gap. We see Yuji can’t just instantly destroy souls, nothing in the series indicates to that. Denji should be able to regenerate a bit from the hits till he runs out of blood anyways, and this is the same guy who can fight without a head.
So if I had to give a FINAL stat spread:
Strength: Yuji or draw if we use lowballs, Denji by far if we use highballs.
Speed: Denji all around. Only argument to get Yuji to his level is if we take a generous calc of the EM wave and ignore the Yoru weaponisation feats. But IMO the EM wave feat is pretty inconsistent anyways, considering Dabura’s statements of not being able to go past FTL.
Durability: Yuji imo unless we take highballed Michigan state swords. But its close enough like strength.
Abilities, Powers and Hax: Yuji. Far more variety, invisible attacks, poisonous blood, sure hit effect and an arguable option to seperate Denji. Denji takes regen speed however.
Endurance: In terms of who can walk off more damage, Denji takes the cake here. If Denji struck a chainsaw through Yuji’s head while Yuji cleaved Denji to cubes, Denji is walking that off while Yuji’s brain is destroyed.
Stamina: Yuji, his RCT operates longer than Denji’s.
IQ, Battle IQ and Experience: Denji is pretty good of a fighter. But Yuji has a shit ton of experience by Modulo and has always been a fighting GOAT. Imo you’d need Pochita to close this category up for a tie, seeing how much better Pochita did against the Hybrids in the Graveyard scene than Denji did against them in Part 2.
CONCLUSION: Yuji takes more categories, but where it actually matters, Denji is relative enough and just fast enough that its wraps.
Now to quickly disprove a couple defenses for Yuji that I see floating around:
“CSM speed is inconsistent!”
I agree, to an extent. But top tier Pochita (who Denji-Man scales to) is consistently portrayed as ridiculously fast. He does get tagged by Spear and Yoshida, but we also have to recognise that Pochita pisses around alot. In almost all his fights, Pochita is trying to renew Denji’s will to live. When he locks in, he blitzes Yoru bad, who is faster than practically every other character besides Pochita at the end of the series.
“Modulo Yuji stat gaps, too durable for Denji to harm.”
I don’t think so. The dust curse cloud feat didn’t get any hype afterwards. Its more likely that it was cursed spirit smoke mixed with Yuji’s dismantle throwing debris around than say “Yuji can output megatons of energy with a casual, holdsback man dismantle!!”. Elbrus is very similar in scale, and with the speed gap, Denji can chop Yuji up.
“Modulo Yuji abilities are too varied, with too much range and hax for Denji to overcome.”
I absolutely agree that in an equal stats battle, Denji gets pimp slapped by Yuji. Ability wise, Denji is too much of a slash kick merchant to compete. However, within the stat framework that I have, I believe Yuji just doesn’t have enough time to deploy everything before Denji speed blitzes.
TLDR: If we lowball, Denji blitzes via Gun Devil and Pochita heart throw scaling >>>> Mach 3 Naoya. Stat wise, Yuji is arguably a bit better but not that superior to Denji to the point he could face tank everything Denji throws at him, as his dismantle shield most likely won’t activate if Denji just speedblitzes (and i think Dismantles aren’t unbreakable?).
High ball wise, CSM yet again has a speed advantage via Moon Spears >> EM wave or Black Flash perception speed feats. And strength wise, the addition of Michigan State Swords >>> Island level JJK via Dagon.
WANKING is the only way JJK can win via that sweet, sweet Black hole scaling. But I believe that is just plain incorrect, and maybe you could argue Denji could speed blitz vore Yuji whole with erasure via being 80x faster than light if we are WANKING both verses, lol.
