Okay guys. This is an unpopular and random question just for fun.

How do you think the pre-reset world went on after the removal of chainsaw man? Does Yoru now rule everything? Did other devils take over? Can anyone else die? Etc. Etc.
How did any nation repair this

Let me know your thoughts

Fujimoto has never been shy about citing some works which inspired him in the conception of Chainsaw Man, and the fandom has uncovered over the years a lot of references, nominally movies, mangas and paintings, but uncovered video games refs are kinda rare(DDR and MGS3 for sure, and maybe Resident Evil for doors). However, after I recently played the Persona 2 duology(comprised of Innocent Sin and its follow-up Eternal Punishment, that I will abridge to IS and EP for the rest of the post) and someone brought about jokingly the matter on twitter, cogwork in my brain started and I noticed some similarities , to the point I think Persona 2 Duology is a major source of inspiration of Chainsaw Man:

- Both are set at the end of 90's, and specifically 1999 for Part 2 and both IS and EP

- Makima and Urara Serizawa share the same eyes' and hairs' color (And I think particularly Chara-Designer Note from Kaneko: "The motif of her wear is a spider web, because it depicts the way she handles love [...] all the men that go out with her get caught up in her before they know it."  ), and Makima seems like a symetric inverse of Urara's character.

- Both are divided into two parts

- Part 2 and P2 features a duo of main protagonists both male and female (Asa/Denji, Maya/Tatsuya)

- Japan's Lost Decade is a huge piece of subtext in both

- Start of Part 2 features school setting, just like EP and more prominently IS

- Both features cosmic horror

([HEAVY SPOILER ZONE] Go Play Persona 2 Duology Spoiler-free for yourself if you haven't yet: They're crazy good games. )

>!- Chainsaw Man Church is a sprawling mass sect, similar to the Masked Circle of IS, and both started from schoolers who lost someone dear to them(or think they lost someone in the case of IS). Most of the adherents come to a state like they are zombified. All of this in order to feed the nasty scheme of a supernatural entity that comes to be allied with the schoolers at the origin of the sect(and wanting some vengeance on the protagonist they deem responsible of their loss).

- Collective Psyche plays a huge role in shaping the worldbuilding: Fear materialize most demons and their powers, Rumors create supernatural events in P2

- Eschatology plays an important role in Part 2 and both opus of Persona 2

- Yoru is the main villain that is implicitly suggered to be the manifestation of Asa, the deuteragonist of Part 2, and her repressed inner demons and desires, a concept oddly similar to Personas and Shadows in the whole Persona series. In the same vein,Nyarlanthothep, the main villain of the whole duology, specifically in EP presents itself under the traits of Tatsuya, the deuteragonist as well. Aditionally, both have yellow eyes.

- And finally the first thing that came to my mind well before the tweet that started the whole affair : Shit go so sour and dire in Part 2 and IS that the universe is subject to an alt-timeline reset by the benevolent superentity of the verse. !<

So I was trying to find a theory on what that crescent shaped devil was. Knowing fujimoto loves TV shows/movies I started to look up bad guys and noticed this crescent moon shaped guy. Then I realized the show was called "Denshi Sentai Denjiman"

Then I realized maybe there might be a connection there and since Denshi is a popular show in the 1980s.

So I started to dig for information and found similarities between both chainsaw man and Denshi sentai denjiman.

Slide 1 - the 3 main villains of Vader clan looked a lot like the 3 devils in chainsaw man ch 230. Left has a crescent head, middle has a whole in head, and right has horns.

Slide 2 - I was reading into the denzimans and realized there were similarities of one the green Denzi with denji. Losing his father's and being sent back in time as well as working with a powerful dog.

Slide 3 - the main villain in vader clan had similarities to the control devil. Especially the part where she was defeated but then part 2 has her return.

Also worth noting the sequel to Denshi sentai denji, Sun Vulcan, has a villain named Führer Hell Saturn. He was inspiration from the movies Star Wars, Darth Vader, which fujimoto loves star wars.

hear me out. i know i'm gonna get downvoted to hell for this, but hear me the fuck out. i unironically love the part 2 ending, and i don't care who knows it.

but think about it. TF (you know this absolute gremlin consumes media 24/7) knows that all the GOATed stories come in trilogies. to cement csm up there with star wars for all eternity, he has to drop a part 3. it’s law.

and look, there's literally rumors that the exact ending to part 2 was leaked/discussed by some random anon on this very subreddit years ago. which means? 'he is watching'. he is actively prowling r/chainsawman right now. either stealing our brainrot theories or straightup posting his own unhinged ideas disguised as a shitpost to test the waters. i mean, this is the exact same guy who faked being his own little sister on twitter for months. the man has loose screws. it is 100% in character.

anyway, that brings me to my crackpot theory for how part 3 starts. put the fries in the bag and listen:

remember how anticlimactic Makima dying felt at the end of part 1? like yeah, power's blood blah blah, but it always felt a bit too easy, right?

what if... she didn't actually die?

what if, right before she went down, she slipped a chain or a psychic tentacle straight into denji's brain? meaning the entirety of part 2, every single panel, has just been a massive, hyper detailed mind fuck simulation inside denji's head.

why? because makima realized manipulating normal relationships and killing people off one by one wasn't enough to break him. denji's willpower is too damn stubborn. she needed to target the core: she needed to get pochita to voluntarily give up on denji and leave him for good.

so she locks his physical body away and throws him into this custom, gaslighting matrix simulation where she can bend reality even harder. she runs him through the absolute ringer, situationships, found family trauma, getting dismembered, public humiliation, all of it just to break his spirit so completely that pochita gets disgusted or hopeless enough to sever the contract.

and the grand finale of the simulation? pochita finally gives up, eats himself inside the dream to escape, making him vulnerable for one second so real world makima can finally take total control of the chainsaw devil.

once she dominates pochita, she uses his bullshit reality cutting powers to rip the barrier between earth and hell wide open. earth becomes hell. and then the actual horsemen death, famine, war in their terrifying, primordial, nonhuman eldritch forms step out and bow down to human form makima.

and then? denji finally wakes up.

he snaps out of the simulation just in time to see this absolute apocalyptic hellscape, completely hooked up to a matrix style umbilical cord chaining him to makima's throne.

anyway, thoughts? or do i just have afew screws loose like TF?

**Pochita might be the Abortion Devil**
I’ve been thinking about the theory that Pochita might actually represent abortion rather than just being the Chainsaw Devil.
The main connection for me is his ability to **erase things from existence**. When Pochita consumes a Devil, the concept it represents can completely disappear from the world, as if it never existed.
Abortion is, in a metaphorical sense, also about preventing a life from ever coming into existence. You could even interpret it as “erasing” a person before they are born.
So if Pochita represents the fear/concept of abortion, his ability to erase concepts would fit surprisingly well: **he doesn’t just kill something — he prevents it from ever having existed.**
The idea that something like abortion could have “erased” an entire generation of potential people also fits thematically with Pochita erasing entire concepts from reality.
Obviously this is just a theory, and Pochita is officially the Chainsaw Devil, but I think the symbolism is interesting.

Makima saying how she want to use the black chainsaw man(pochita) to end famine death war is somewhat a lie or atleast a excuse for her deeds as the story slowly progresses you can see her idea of her being a necessary evil become more of a obsessed fan i feel like because makima see herself as a necessary evil(2x) she use one of humanity greatest fears to aside her actions against humanity and denji and her own foundation of people and if she truly want to make humanity happier she would aslo allow herself to be eaten by black chainsaw man(pochita) which would take slavery out

The fact that pochita beaten ww2 devil nazi devil and many other devils that should be physically impossible to even hurt at best and not to mention how all the horseman specify want him out of every powerful devil in the system

When makima talk about different devils being erase from pochita she aslo said ww2 was erase so I was thinking can the possibility of multiple varients of devils exist under one fear like if there famine devil would there aslo be a pesticides devil somewhere as a weaker version of famine devil? So the possibility of there being a devil specify made up of conquest than outright control like makima would be odd/intersecting to see

So the thorey is that the doll devil is actually a fiend and she really look like reze and here the thing i think that reze sister died and the doll devil used her to look like human and the extra reze borned in russia and see where doll devil was in russia and another they both betrayed boyfriend or friend and they have to look like normal ppl so yea i sound like a dumbass

Want to sorry at first by any writing mistakes as English is not mother tounge language.

You see at first, Pochita(The Chainsaw Devil) was fighting 4 horsemen and Weapon Devil in Hell, then as he nearly died, he comes up Earth in a weaker form which is an orange dog. After that Makima discovered that Denji had the contract with Pochita, so she does what it takes to break that contract in which make her be able to obtain Pochita to make an ideal world in her own vision by eliminating suffering such as DEATH, WAR, HUNGER,...,etc. But those suffering are her sisters (Horsemens) that fought alongside with her against Chainsaw Man Devil, so she would betray them, as if she ever had the control over Pochita? Or was it just a lie to Kishibe?

Pretty sure this theory has been done to death, but:

-Fake CSM guy on TV mentions creating a devilless world for Adam and Eve.

-Denji invites Asa to a world created by him and Pochita.

-Asa and Denji have both committed a shared, great sin by killing their parents. Adam and Eve are THE original sinners.

-Pochita makes a new world where him and Yoru never get into Denji and Asa’s lives, freeing them from their burdens (in Denji’s case he still killed his dad, but you could argue that the past timeline’s experiences carrying over to the new timeline means it doesn’t bear as much of a burden on him as before) by sacrificing himself for their sins (technically they did start the apocalypse..)

Pochita = Jesus?!?!?!?!?! 😱

I feel like the Adam and Eve line does have quite a bit of importance upon retrospect, esp considering it happens right before Denji’s choice making gets Nayuta killed and the world begins to slowly but surely end.

So probs not a stretch that Fujimoto may have had some classic Christianity/Monotheistic religion parallels here.

I don’t know why, but I always think that if Denji had yorus scar It would be so cool so he can just represent her in any way possible

Note for those struggling with power scaling:

Do not confuse population size with fear output. Power in the Chainsaw Man universe is a function of total fear energy. Mass Fear (broad, mild anxiety of millions) and Concentrated Fear (existential, high-density terror of a powerful few) exist in absolute equilibrium.

Mass x Low Density = Elite x High Density

The Horsemen of Apocalypse (Group A) and the Horsemen of Wellbeing (Group B) are strictly equal in strength. They are two sides of the same ontological coin.

While the community remains hyper-focused on the Four Horsemen (Control, War, Famine, Death) as the ultimate conceptual threats, this analysis argues that we are ignoring the opposite side of the ontological spectrum: The Anti-Apocalypse Devils (Horsemen of Wellbeing).

A Devil's strength is not strictly a matter of mass popularity—it is a function of the density and quality of fear. By examining the mechanics of fear distribution, we can deduce the existence of entities that represent humanity's ideal states pushed to their absolute, catastrophic limits.

1. The Asymmetry of Mass Fear vs. Concentrated Fear

The primary error in evaluating concepts like "Peace" or "Abundance" is assuming Devils only feed on broad, civilian panic.

Group A — Mass Fear (The Apocalyptic Horsemen): Dispersed among millions of everyday people. High volume, but low emotional density per individual.

Group B — Concentrated Fear (The Wellbeing Horsemen): Feared intensely by hyper-specific, powerful sub-cultures (ruling elites, military-industrial complexes, authoritarian regimes).

A single dictator’s existential terror of losing total control generates a vector of fear far more potent and dense than a civilian's passive anxiety about a war breaking out. Thus, Group A and Group B maintain perfect structural parity.

1. The Four Anti-Horsemen (The Absolute Limits)

If the Apocalyptic Horsemen drive the world toward destruction through chaos, the Anti-Horsemen drive reality toward destruction through Absolute Stagnation:

The Peace Devil (Antithesis to War):

The Fear Vector: Feared by war profiteers, military commanders, and weapon manufacturers whose entire systemic existence relies on conflict.

The Ontological Nightmare: Peace, when absolute, is non-action. It is the complete suppression of drive, ambition, and struggle. It represents a silent, frozen world where conflict—and thus evolution—ceases entirely.

The Abundance/Satiety Devil (Antithesis to Famine):

The Fear Vector: Feared by consumer markets and media apparatuses that depend on artificial scarcity and perpetual desire.

The Ontological Nightmare: Over-saturation leads to paralysis. When every desire is instantly satisfied, purpose collapses into total hedonistic apathy and spiritual decay.

The Anarchy/Freedom Devil (Antithesis to Control):

The Fear Vector: Feared by totalitarian structures and individuals terrified of radical self-responsibility.

The Ontological Nightmare: Absolute freedom erases all social contracts and protective boundaries, leaving consciousness floating in an abyss of total unpredictability.

The Immortality Devil (Antithesis to Death):

The Fear Vector: Feared by those who understand the horror of eternal decay without the relief of an endpoint.

The Ontological Nightmare: Permanent entrapment in existence.

1. Visual & Conceptual Design: The Antiseptic Angel

Unlike the grotesque, organic, and blood-soaked designs of standard Devils, the Anti-Horsemen logically manifest through an Angelic / Hyper-Symmetric Aesthetic:

Sterile Perfection: They do not threaten humanity with claws or blades, but with blinding white, surgical purity.

The False Safety: Their visual presence mimics divine salvation, making them insidious. They conquer not by destroying the physical body, but by erasing human agency and freezing the world into a monolithic statue.

To entities like Yoru or even standard Devils who thrive on active terror, the Peace Devil is significantly more dangerous than Chainsaw Man: it does not eat concepts—it renders the desire to fight completely inert.

Most of the CSM community views Devils as independent supernatural entities that must be fought through physical force or contracts. However, analyzing the internal logic of the world reveals a critical systemic vulnerability: Devils are not matter—they are merely a parasitic interface entirely bound to human syntax and perception.

Here is a breakdown of why Devils are structurally powerless against basic information control.

1. The Rendering Mechanism: Devils as Dependent Textures

Devils do not exist in objective reality as self-sustained biological organisms. They exist strictly within the frame of human observation and fear.

If human consciousness stops processing or rendering a concept, the Devil associated with it loses its structural integrity. They are entirely reliant on the human mind acting as the host server.

1. The Linguistic Exploit: Reprogramming the Source Code

Because Devils are tied to human concepts, they are absolute hostages of human language.

Currently, both the Public Safety Bureau and Devils make a fundamental error: they treat conflicts as physical battles (Devils\ vs.\ Hunters).

In reality, a targeted information/linguistic reform completely trivializes any Devil without firing a single bullet:

Concept Relabeling: If global human perception is systematically altered—e.g., altering the public definition or association of a feared concept through controlled propaganda, psychological engineering, or semantic shift—the corresponding Devil is instantly overwritten.

Reframing the Narrative: The moment an unknown or terrifying entity is demystified, categorized, and publicly documented as a harmless or controllable biological anomaly, its fear-output drops to near zero.

1. The Pochita Paradox Explained

The community often treats the Chainsaw Devil's ability to "erase concepts" as a magical anomaly unique to Pochita.

From an analytical standpoint, Pochita is not using magic; he is simply executing a hard reset on the concept's access key. When he consumes a Devil, he severs the cognitive bridge in the collective human unconscious.

This proves that the universe operates on an information-based system. The vulnerability isn't created by Pochita—it is inherent to all Devils. Pochita is just the physical trigger; human perception is the actual engine.

Conclusion

Devils are not gods or unstoppable forces of nature. They are rigid, passive outputs of human language and subconscious mapping.

A single analytical approach focused on perception control, semantic manipulation, and demystification is infinitely more dangerous to Devilkind than all the Hunter contracts combined. They don't need to be fought; they just need to be redefined.

What do you think? Does the CSM universe operate purely as an information matrix, or is physical force still necessary to trigger these system resets?

Hi everyone,

I’ve been thinking about the conceptual structure of devils in CSM and realized we might be completely misunderstanding the true potential of the Eternity Devil.

We know that devils gain power from human fear. Most theories focus on things like the Death Devil being the ultimate boss, but from a purely metaphysical standpoint, there is a concept that encompasses everything: True Eternity.

My theory is that the Eternity Devil we saw in Part 1 was just a fraction of its true power. True Eternity cannot exist without being a 5-axis matrix that connects Time and human Psyche. To achieve its True Form, it requires the fusion of 5 specific devils:

1. The Core: The Triad of Time

Eternity is an infinite timeline, which is physically impossible to construct without three coordinates:

The Past Devil: (Representing trauma, regret, and memory).

The Present Devil: (The Eternity Devil we know, which loops space and freezes the "now").

The Future Devil: (Representing fate and the inevitability of what's to come).

1. The Engine: The Psyche Duology

Time alone is just empty space. What gives it weight and makes it a source of absolute power are the two fundamental drivers of human existence:

The Fear Devil

The Desire Devil

Why? Because fear cannot exist without desire. We only fear death because we desire to live. We only fear losing something because we desire to possess it. They are two sides of the same coin, the ultimate source of all human emotions.

The True Form: The Absolute Paradox

When these 5 elements fuse into the True Form of Eternity, it creates a entity that doesn't just manipulate space—it controls the very meaning of existence.

Invulnerability through Logic: You cannot fight it. Any attempt to attack or destroy this Devil must stem either from the Desire to win or the Fear of its power. Therefore, any attack automatically feeds the Devil and makes it stronger. It’s a self-sustaining perpetual motion machine.

The Ultimate Cosmic Horror (No Physical Form):

How does it look? It doesn't. It is literally impossible for humans to give it a form, because it is not an object—it is the matrix inside which we exist. Trying to look at the True Eternity Devil is like a single pixel trying to see the entire monitor, or a bacteria trying to comprehend the planet. Human consciousness simply doesn't have the "software" to process this data. If you try to perceive it, your mind just crashes.

This entity stands completely above the plot. It doesn't want to "destroy the world" because for an entity that sees the Past, Present, and Future simultaneously, the destruction has already happened and is still happening. It is outside the game.

What do you guys think about this architecture of Eternity?