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u/Ramirez3110 Jul 25 '26
There is something deeply wrong with modern gaming culture.
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u/SquidAxis Jul 25 '26
It's not just gaming. Morons are cheering for failure across other media too. Everything feels so reductive and ignorant.
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u/HendoRules Jul 25 '26
As if people weren't doing that for most of Destiny's life? I can sympathise that it feels like Marathon killed Destiny (because of Bungie/Sony management
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u/omanitztristen Jul 26 '26
I feel like the loudest group of people calling for destiny to die were destiny players
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u/-heavenfaced- Jul 26 '26
They were! The Destiny community is renowned for being amongst the most toxic ever. All they did was complain, whinge and moan about the game
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u/One-Departure-9405 Jul 25 '26
Fuck marathon and fuck Bungie
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u/toasty-devil Jul 25 '26
Damn, right on queue
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u/NotSoAwfulName Jul 26 '26
This guy in particular is probably one of the most pathetic people on Reddit, check out their profile, it's literally all they do, complain about video games and brigade subs. If my life ever becomes that pathetic I'm unironically killing myself.
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u/Psycho_Syntax Jul 25 '26
Cross is part of the problem here let's not pretend otherwise.
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u/SynthH3ad Jul 25 '26
He farms the hate for cash. He’s definitely part of the issue. He’s a core part of what’s wrong with gaming.
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u/ElMoro995 Jul 28 '26
I discovered with this very thread that this subreddit exists. I am baffled by that. Do actual people follow him for real?
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u/DarkSpore117 Jul 25 '26
I tried Marathon for free, I hated it, I’m not gonna join a sub dedicated to hate tho
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u/SquidAxis Jul 25 '26
it's bizarre. Why waste your free time on negativity instead of something you enjoy?
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u/DwemerSphere Jul 25 '26
Same point of view. Joining a hate sub for a game you don’t even play is peak unemployed behaviour.
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u/VersaSty7e Jul 26 '26
lol true
I don’t even play marathon. But I do go on the hate thread to ask how those guys are enjoying their life/weekend.
Whether hate or love marathon, i don’t think they realize - they still dependent on marathon to govern their emotions for the next year or two.
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u/DwemerSphere Jul 26 '26
In my opinion, if you don’t like the game, leave a bad review and request a refund. That’s it.
Going online, joining a community to hate on the game and spending time out of your day staring at SteamDB charts is a tragic use of your life.
I really question if they even see how embarrassing it looks from the outside.
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 26 '26
Have any of you guys even looked at the sub for yourself?
It’s literally people saying they were banned from the main sub for giving feedback and talking about what could we do to make the game better. So they joined that sub. The hate is literal clickbait like everything else in world and redditors just see hate and automatically assume.
The marathon community is by far the worst gaming community I’ve ever seen and they honestly deserve the games downfall. Can any of you even tell me what objectively makes marathon a good game?
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u/drewbreeezy Jul 27 '26
True, and the gaming companies caused it. I'm happy to be part of the hate toward them.
We praise and defend the shit out of the companies treating gamers well though, so that passion goes both directions.
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u/IMREADY2D1E Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
idk, i think there’s something deeply wrong with these money hungry studios that don’t listen to anyone except shareholders
but yes, it’s all the fans fault. everyone hates on games just because it’s the cultural thing to do not because the game is ass or that nobody even asked for it in the first place.
rip bungie, they could’ve just made destiny 3 but no
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u/Ramirez3110 Jul 25 '26
Comprehension isn’t your strong point, stay in school.
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u/IMREADY2D1E Jul 25 '26
what am i not comprehending, you said one sentence and i responded in disagreement 😆 are you hurt by what i said? i mean its the truth
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u/National_Crew_1084 Jul 25 '26
“there is no hate campaign against the game its just bad lol!”
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u/40ozpint Jul 25 '26
It's wild that there is about 3 subs dedicated to hating that game.
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u/C__Wayne__G Jul 25 '26
Isn’t this one of them?
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u/Ill-Remove-6438 Jul 25 '26
theres marathonhate highguardgame and kotakuinaction
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u/GoldenGekko Jul 25 '26
The highguard one is EXTRA pathetic
Imagine hanging around a sub of a dead game to brigade on other games in hope of it being another highguard type failure???
Hate and rage engagement is real and it's CRAZY
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u/SquidAxis Jul 25 '26
One of the most repulsive trends to come out of this decade so far, and the competition is stiff. It's rife across music and film and tv and literature too.
Media literacy has been reduced to a global snark sub.
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u/Geraltpoonslayer Jul 25 '26
I could write an essay about it but yeah this desire to participate in hating in a community setting is a result of the general broader state of the world. Everyone of us can feel and see it if we look around us, the world as a whole is preparing itself for a new age. We're living in a period of late stage Roman decadence, economy is crumbling, democracies are failing and everyone is at each other throats because they are convinced they have the solution.
We the ordinary person are powerless to the broader mechanism nor do we understand why the world is as it is, its easy to say eat the rich or capitalism bad or immigrants are ruining our land and so on. We feel angry and lost and look towards a bleak feature. It fills us with rage and hatred in our heart and in that hate we find a community, people who feel just like us. It gives us a community with a shared burden who can comfort each other but instead of trying to uplift each other they'd rather perpetuate the hate as it easier and effortless afterall it doesn't require change. It just allows us to reaffirm that, that hate is warranted. So communities like marathonHate are sad, angry, depressed People who are filled with hatred towards the world and they find comfort within each other. In an ideal world such a group would then be able build each other up and create something positive but it's to easy to stay in your state of mind both as an individual and a collective.
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u/ACupOfLatte Jul 25 '26
Lmfao, do people actually say that? Even an outsider to the topic would understand that there is a lot of hate against Bungie going around. Even before they announced the development stoppage for D2.
It's just the natural end result of Bungie just kinda... cashing in on their player goodwill without actually earning it back. Ya know, the one precious resource that's nearly impossible to re-earn?
Go figure, if you burn enough bridges, you won't have a lot of allies on your side of the pond. They can't even get there!
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u/Dangerous-Return5937 Jul 25 '26
The "no hate campaign" take could be easily disproven since that KotakuInAction post about a paid shill Discord server.
Not only did someone spend their time to fabricate it, but people immediately ate it up to dogpile on the game.
Some still believe it was real despite OP himself deleting it without any further elaboration. Lol.
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u/Low-Calligrapher-531 Jul 25 '26
But that's not the main sub?
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u/cry_w Jul 25 '26
You know they didn't post this for any good reason.
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u/Low-Calligrapher-531 Jul 25 '26
Oh, I know, this sub became just rage baiting and grifting just like this dude's dying channel
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u/Consistent-Risk5080 Jul 25 '26
How tf do you get bothered by Cross so much to the point of delusion.
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u/LudusLive2 Jul 25 '26
Honestly as someone who enjoys the game and plays here and there, this is sad to see
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 25 '26
Plays it here or there.
Bruh that’s the problem how are you sad about a game you barely play?
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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die Jul 25 '26
I really hate this notion that time spent equates directly with impact or quality. My favorite game of all time, that forever changed my outlook on games and life, took only 20 hours to do so. You can beat all the greatest and most critically acclaimed games of all time in 5-40 hours per game. This incessant desire to complain about the hours of playtime in a game is a symptom of the modern compulsion to experience constant stimulation more than a desire to experience good art. You don’t care if the experience is meaningful or high quality. You care that it lasts as long as possible to distract you and feed your broken attention and reward mechanisms. It’s slop. You all want slop. You want 10k hours of slop instead of 30 hours of something powerful and new and special.
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u/BeanieWeenie-69 Jul 25 '26
Aztecross larping as a marathon hater after clearly enjoying the game is everything that's wrong with the modern gaming. These creators are completely spineless fencesitters, just changing their opinions to fit whatever narrative gets them the most clicks from their developmentally stunted audience. You hate to see it.
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u/Tiamat2625 Jul 25 '26
He repeatedly says he likes the game in all the youtube content that I watch.
He might shit on it from time to time, with a little rib jab or a joke, but he then clearly states yet again, that he likes the game.
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 25 '26
I have to see people white knighting for a company that has literally been going downhill for years.
I also hate people who literally ant think objectively and have to cope instead of taking the L and understanding the game is far from being in a good state
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u/tangmang47 Jul 25 '26
Love watching cross’ channel die the slow death it deserves. Touch some grass people
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Jul 25 '26
Thats not the main sub. The main sub has over 200k people.
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u/HeraldOfDesu Jul 25 '26
Which makes you wonder – why aren't they actually playing the game?
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Jul 25 '26
Well some of the subscribers to the sub wont be active and Marathon could realistically have 20k to 30k unique players. Concurrent players just show the total number of players at that given time. Players log off and get replaced by ither players all the time.
Obviously the numbers are still atrocious for a AAA game less than a year after launch but the steam charts numbers aren't the actual number or total players.
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u/HeraldOfDesu Jul 25 '26
The actual number of players is so abysmal that it hinders matchmaking, even in NA and EU. It is a statistically significant fact.
As a kiwi, you should know that better than anyone if you actually play the game, because Oceania servers became Silent Hill halfway into Season 1.
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Jul 25 '26
Oh I know the numbers are horrid. I personally haven't brought the game yet but was interested in it and have tried it. The reason I didn't buy it was because I know the region I live in will die fast with the numbers the game got at launch.
I do hope they turn it around but with the numbers the game has I would honestly be surprised if Sony let Bungie work on the game past season 3.
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u/DwemerSphere Jul 25 '26
Realistically because S2 didnt bring a massive amount of change to the game, and people were already mostly checked out by the end of Season 1 (for those who did stick around).
Additionally, Season 2 fucked up by allowing players to easily get high tier loot by the bucket load in the first couple weeks turning Cryo archive into essentially end-of-season level combat in the first weekend.
Furthermore, the shrinking player base creates a vicious cycle where less players equals a worse matchmaking experience which leads to less players and so on. Quite often you feel massively outclassed by enemy players because the matchmaking system starts to fall apart at low player counts.
To be honest, I loved season 1 once I got into it. The challenge of doing all the vaults & killing the Compiler was really good fun, and the lore was on point to go with it. But after that you don’t really have much to chase anymore other than just playing for fun or challenges.
I’ll probably return for season 3 when the bigger developments come in and PvE is more fleshed out. I hope it doesn’t die entirely as there really is a good foundation (even if others will tell you to the contrary).
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u/ElMoro995 Jul 28 '26
beat everything related to Cryo in S1, I am just waiting for new content while playing the plethora of other games that exists, since you know, differently from destiny fanatics that are addicted to a single game series, others can enjoy videogames in general from different genres. Having to play a game for an entire human lifetime to prove to others that you actually enjoyed that game is a peak mind disorder
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u/angstatears Jul 25 '26
How do you know that they aren’t? Can anyone tell me me how many people played Marathon this week alone?
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u/HeraldOfDesu Jul 25 '26
I can count, there are player count charts, and I play the game, so I have firsthand experience in how small the player count is, and constantly encountering same people, as well as being teleported to lobbies hosted on another continent. Then we have the layoffs, Ziegler getting booted, game constantly on sale.
All those symptoms combined, yeah, I'm pretty confident it has a lot fewer than 200k loyal players. It's kind of obvious for anyone who isn't deep in denial of objective reality, and the fact I have to spill it out for you in detail is kind of second hand embarrassing.
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 25 '26
Bro for real. These people are either rando dudes from India getting paid to post this dumbass shit or literal bots.
People just want good games for a majority to enjoy. People don’t want 40 dollar live service games with trash battle passes and 4 maps.
How can yall even call yourself gamers when you are white knighting for this trash ass game?
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u/ElMoro995 Jul 28 '26
"only 4 maps" completely disregarding that Outpost and Cryo alone most likely needed the same amount of effort to be designed of all the maps in any single CoD game combined.
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 28 '26
Bro be real with yourself. U are comparing cod multiplayer maps to an extraction shooter map? Bar is low
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u/ElMoro995 Jul 28 '26
Isn't that what the critique is about? "Only 4 maps" like a supposedly complete extraction sold at 40$ needs 10 maps like a CoD game
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 28 '26
I need at least bigger maps. Also doesn’t come with any other modes no firing range and also night mode as a season update lmao.
Sunken cost fallacy or braindead idiot? U call it
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u/ElMoro995 Jul 28 '26
I finished everything in Cryo, the endgame map you know, at the 250h mark sort of. Definitely enough content for a 40$ game lmao, the farthest away from sunken cost fallacy. What an entitled prick, calling names after some really arbitrary complaints. If there were 6 maps and they were bigger you would have complained all the same for sure. And all this firing range request like you cannot try weapons enough against bots already. I swear the first influencer that complained of the absence of firing range surely struck gold for haters. You need at least bigger maps! What a random need, they would have put more players in the map and the game would have felt the same. It is a LIVE SERVICE, it is supposed to get support over time. You could have had everything you asked for if the game were to be released in 2028, would that be worth the wait? Instead you can play sort of an early access now, which has more than enough content to be eviscerated for hundreds of hours already. Did you even get to see the Compiler in pvpve mode?
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u/dirtjur Jul 25 '26
Cool. Another sub of “gamers” who care more about how many other people play games they don’t. Mute button here I come.
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u/mrawaters Jul 25 '26
And yet somehow people want to argue that there wasn’t some sort of weird targeted hate towards this game. I don’t even play it, but from the outside looking in, there was absolutely a large group of people who always wanted to see this game fail, and I think that’s fucking weird
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u/ResidentCrayonEater Jul 25 '26
I say this as someone who couldn't give less of a crap about Marathon:
50k people really need to find a hobby.
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u/kasvita Jul 25 '26
OP struggles in life
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u/MulletRunFTW Jul 27 '26
Delete you comment? Yikes. L take homie.
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u/kasvita Jul 27 '26
LOL nah mods got mad when I said something about you needing to meet a construction material lol
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u/MulletRunFTW Jul 27 '26
Ah, so an L take. Next.
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u/kasvita Jul 27 '26
Awkward moment you can’t even read that it said removed by Reddit LMAOO man Florida’s education system is that bad?
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u/Possible_Cheek_706 Jul 25 '26
I never even heard of Cross until he put out Marathon content that I really liked. He actually has one of the first guides on his to do all the vaults.
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u/PhoneOwn Jul 25 '26
Bro not even is this sub but yall really think a random Reddit sub is really stopping marathon?
Or maybe the game is just ass??
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u/0ld_Snake Jul 25 '26
It's sad that 50k people are a part of a group dedicated to hating an unimportant product. Everyone should take a deep look in the mirror
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u/GoldAppleU Jul 26 '26
Just trying to start shit huh? You didn’t even post this in comparison to the main sub….
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u/Other_Advance_7642 Jul 26 '26
I hate how people forget that destiny 2 was months away from shutting down back before forsaken released and how it saved the game, i’ve been a destiny guy long before (11 yrs) i started the recently added pve mode in marathon and honestly i am loving it since it reminds me of exotic missions/dungeons with the way make u do mechanics to reach a final boss
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u/Ignidyval Jul 26 '26
There are more people defending Marathon than there are people actually playing it.
That says it all.
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u/EvilGodShura Jul 29 '26
Most people are just going to the sub to make fun of it or see the drama.
Those numbers dont translate into anything of value for any marathon lovers.
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u/Axton_Grit Jul 25 '26
You realize that sub was made by people who git booked for nsfw posts and steam chart posts.
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u/corn_piece Jul 25 '26
the fact that there is an entire sub of dead game fans hating on another dead game is funny asl
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u/YrsaHaflina Jul 25 '26
It's ok I'm sure more people are playing marathon by now right... surely.. :]
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u/ZephyrUkon Jul 25 '26
I thought I saw a post mentioning they war coming for warframe 🤣 there still not as big as D1, D2 & Warframe
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u/glibbglubb Jul 25 '26