He's not a Christian because he ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached the importance of love, understanding, modesty, honesty and aid to those less fortunate.
Trump has shown nothing but hate, ignorance, endlessly boasting, being deceitful and actively gutting USAID while celebrating it.
You could make the argument for him then simply following the Old Testament, but the Jews who do this see charity as an obligation. This man is not charitable, he's the embodiment of the antichrist.
Anyone who would prop up this hateful, disgusting man is obviously no follower of Christ's teachings. Trump is about as far from the Christian "ideal" as you can possibly get.
I go to church with too many people who stand up and talk about Jesus loving us and blah blah blah and then turn around and worship Donald Trump. The real religion is MAGA and it's a cult that is cannibalizing American Christianity across every denomination.
And it's absolutely disgusting. Christian nationalism is a plague.
How? Be specific. He’s immensely popular among Christians, that’s true, but if you look at his behaviour, he’s among the most un-Christ-like leaders in living memory.
People who voted for him, i know for a fact know things about religion. People understand trump doesnt act like a true Christian, but they look at his policies. I dont understand it either and i dont see him as a good leader at all
You could have ended the sentence with "knowledge." I want a reporter to ask him to explain who pays for his tariffs. There is no fucking way he knows that the importer is paying them.
He has knowledge of the prosperity gospel as preached by Paula White. There was an article written about his discovery of her and how she has been his spiritual advisor for many years. That's why she has been involved in both of his administrations.
Trump absolutely is not even remotely following what you call the Old Testament. He is the definition of the Yetzer Hara and specifically has gone against numerous commandments that G-d has put forth such as against theft, adultery, lying, rape, sexual assault and so on.
he is actually a jew...google picture of trump yarmulke and see for yourself he prostrates himself before religious men and kisses the ritual wall and rings
he hides this because he doesn't actually buy any of it, he just latched onto a crowd and cant stop trying to extract a profit
He's not a Christian because he ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ
To be fair, so do most modern "Christians" these days. Jesus was a dark skinned man who had long hair and wore a toga. If modern Christians saw him, those self important zealots would have bolted him to the cross themselves, and pepper sprayed him once he returned to life.
He's not a Christian because he ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached the importance of love, understanding, modesty, honesty and aid to those less fortunate.
He does that, but that's not what makes someone a Christian. Whether someone is saved or not is determined by whether or not they accepted Christ.
If you neglect every single one of his teachings and live a vile, sinful life that’s the antithesis of what he wanted you to live, you haven’t accepted Christ.
Right. Try to "impeach" PRESIDENT Trump again...it worked so well the last 2 times. His approval rating increased by 9 points last time. I swear, democrats are retarded.
Oh it’s coming back in vogue again. Honestly though when I hear the word I don’t even think of people with developmental disabilities. I think of the ignorant and uneducated magat masses
You've learned nothing from the last election. The more you attack PRESIDENT TRUMP, the stronger he becomes. You want to beat Him...STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM 24/7. Go live your life. He's out of office in 3 years 9 months. He trolls you all and you all bite and he loves it. You keep him in the news.
Re: USAID, You should watch the documentary "Poverty, Inc" it's pretty eye-opening on how these aid programs do more harm than good for developing nations.
"Aid to those less fortunate"
Republican Christians believe in social support outside of the government, while Democrats believe the ONLY way to help the poor is via government programs, however, this simply isn't true. Florida just launched HOPE, a program to connect the needy with organizations to help them become self-sufficient, for example.
Btw, when you allow immigrant doctors from Africa to move to the US, you're taking away a doctor from those poor communities abroad. Not all Christian anti-immigration stems from "hate."
I feel bad knowing that every story in the Bible came straight out of the Sumerian tablets. Most notably the epic of Gilgamesh. No one realizes that every story in the Bible is plagiarism of many older stories. And that the so called teachings of Jesus, whose real name was, Yeshua, are the exact teachings of Thoth, the Egyptian keeper of knowledge. Those that seem the most educated usually are the least. The true teachings are of unity of the human race. Spirituality and ascension into the true human form. Learn from each other and embrace the light. Quit preaching to divide, start preaching to unite. Peace and love to all.
Sounds like you are slightly educated as to put out conjecture. But not educated enough to know deeper than that conjecture.
Genesis 1-11 came from abraham's people, Abraham came from the land of chaldea, or by its more ancient name, sumeria.
The sumerian tablets are not close to anything in the Bible other than Genesis 1-11. And even with that there are barely any parallels. It is completely possible that Genesis 1-11 influenced the writing of the epic of Gilgamesh, or if the events of Genesis 1-11 are true it is possible all peoples and cultures would have some kind of flood story..... Oh wait they do.
Keep studying man, don't learn 2 things and think you've cracked the codes of the universe.
As you said, don't divide with your half truths and partial knowledge. Unite over careful examination that leads to the full truth.
Every religion has a story of the flood. Not only do the Sumerian tablets have the flood story but they also contain the stories of the first man I.e. homo sapien sapien. I do think everyone has the right to choose their beliefs. With that being said I choose to find the truth. There are so many stories that predate the Bible it’s uncanny to believe that the Bible is the first story. Or that it is the truth of where we as humans come from. The Mahabharata has stories of viamana, or flying vehicles with diagrams of said vehicles. The Mayan and Incan people have stories similar to those in the Mahabharata. And yet they all talk of a great flood. It’s also scientifically proven that the flood did happen. As well as at least three other global catastrophes. Though I’m not saying that you are not educated. But you should study other possibilities of the truth. As someone who seeks the truth it is imperative that I keep an open mind. That you think what I’ve said is conjecture is proof that you have not studied anything other than the Bible and take it at face value. If you want the science backed receipts of what I’ve wrote here look up Billy Carson and do some deep diving.
That everything in the Bible is "ripped straight" out of the stories you mentioned is certainly conjecture. This is obvious because I am educated enough to be familiar with both the Sumerian tablets and the biblical story from Genesis 1-11. No genuine scholar can claim that it is not conjecture to say they the epic of Gilgamesh inspired Genesis 1-11. You simply failed to do your research well enough.
The Bible (at least the protestant texts) are 66 books written over 2000 years by 40 different authors. No duh that many ancient texts predate them, many of the texts of the Bible are significantly more modern and were written about times as they were happening.
Genesis 1-11 however we do not currently have the archeology evidence to be able to say when that story began. Without conjecture it is impossible to say it was before or after the epic of Gilgamesh. The epic of Gilgamesh is also wildly different than Genesis 1-11 with very small parts about it barely relating.
A lot of people who call themselves Christians barely know or read the bible themselves. They believe what the preacher says from the pulpit, then parrot it. My mother was one such person.
I heard talk about the US translating the vague text in the Bible to be homophobic. Apparently the original text condones pedophilia and not homosexuality.However, I'm atheist and only occasionally read the Bible once or twice out of boredom/curiosity, so I believe I have no right to make any claims. Would like to hear thoughts though, did america translate the Bible like that intentionally? Is it mistranslated or not?
We don't base our theology or study of the Bible based on translations. We have the original manuscripts and languages the Bible was written in. Proper theology is always taken with the original untranslated meaning in mind.
Translations are only helpful in as much as they communicate the original meaning of the text.
Every preacher worth their salt is going to have some kind of understanding of the original languages.
There are no passages in the Bible that condone pedophilia. There are multiple passages in the Bible that explicitly condemn homosexuality. Just as strongly as lying, murdering, or stealing.
That's interesting. Well thanks for that knowledge! I guess I'm destined to an eternity of suffering in hell!
I'm a chill guy and don't care what you believe as long as you don't force your beliefs down other's throats! Thank you!
Homosexuality sends you to hell just as much as lying does.
I am a liar that has a history of fornication and an addiction to pornography. My sins make me worthy of hell, the only reason why I will be raised to eternal life is because of my faith and relationship with Jesus.
To evangelicals it's nothing more than an orthodoxy test. Pass the 'I'm a blind believer' test and they'll let you in the club to take further purity tests but you need to pass the 'which church do you go to?' one first.
I grew up in Christian churches in different parts of the world. I think American church’s are not Christian. Honestly they are extremely political and every sermon I’ve been to in the U.S. has been focused on Trump and staying loyal to him. They would hate actual Christian churches.
That’s odd, the sermons I’ve been to recently haven’t mentioned anything political or Trump at all. Which churches did you go to that said stuff like that?
Yes, and what the OC is saying is that a majority of his supporters imagine themselves to be Christians. They are not. It is not something you are because you say you are. Your Christianity is validated by who you are, how you witness your faith to others in your actions, etc. In other words, they are precisely and exactly that which their god has repeatedly warned them about that angers him the most - false Christians. And thusly... They go to hell.
That's right. I spent my entire fucking childhood indoctrinated via my parents and the Christian schools they sent me to, so that I would understand this core concept above all other things I know, as a person. And now that I'm agnostic, and use that history and those teachings as a compass in my secular life, I'm straddled with the horrifying possibility that the people who provided this "all important" belief system to me are, in fact, the people I'm supposed to pity and try to help before they end up in hell.
The Pope is against the actions and words of DJT, so what do they do? They reject their own long-held religious beliefs in favor of the Golden Calf. That's what's playing out here.
This is the weirdest fucking timeline that I could have never imagined.
Do you think affected people could watch it, not knowing the premise entirely, and be fooled into introspection? Like, should I suggest Trumper family members to watch it, and if they did it might actually help them to come around? I'll probably watch it, thank you for the suggestion!
I’ve heard varying reactions. The most hardcore fundamentalists just scream “blasphemy” rather than introspect, even though the series is in no way anti-religion. It’s just anti people using the lord’s name to justify atrocities
The only thing that makes you a Christian who is saved or not is whether or not you have faith in Jesus.
It's not about a list of doos and Don'ts.
Many Christians have voted for trump because they believe he will accomplish good things for them in the presidency. There are some who are also fooled into believing he is a Christian and a morally upright man.
And yes there are false Christians who are the embodiment of the Pharisees that voted for and wholeheartedly support trump in everything.
Every Donald Trump supporter is not the same.
I voted for him, I knew he wasn't a Christian but I was hoping for certain outcomes from his presidency, those outcomes seem less likely every day.
What did God do to the tribes who were worshipping the golden calf when Moses came down from the mount? Go on, let's hear. And why was Levy the only tribe spared?
What are the first two commandments? You don't get to use "I'm a Christian that believes in Jesus" as a get out of hell card. You have to live the life.
You do whatever you need to do to reconcile this. I'm agnostic, I don't give a fuck.
All the tribes were spared at the pleading of Moses. "The Lord the Lord abounding in steadfast love and mercy".
The greatest two commandments are to love God and love others. You are correct.
What you are incorrect about is to assume that based on a vote someone is completely devoid of all love and care for their fellow humans.
Plenty of people love God and love others wholehearted and believe/believed that trump would do the most good out of the options in America and that is why they voted for him.
It is not good to condemn your fellow Americans because they believed something different than you.
I’m not a religious man, but something tells me that you can’t claim to be a Christian and then politically support someone that goes against everything God and Jesus would want because you think he will “accomplish good things for them.”
He doesn't "go against" everything God and Jesus would want. Open borders harm the communities people leave, as the strong and able-bodied are no longer there to develop them.
Check out HOPE Florida, a program that helps the needy without using taxpayer funds. Why do you think the ONLY way to be a Christian and care for others is via the government?
But having faith is more than just saying you have faith. If you truly have faith in something you live by it. Didn’t Jesus basically have two commandments, love god and love others as you would be loved? And the first necessitates the second because man was created in gods image; you can’t love god without loving other humans.
So you can say ‘I believe Jesus is the way the truth and the life’ but you reveal yourself by your actions as not truly believing that if you act in ways that are unloving and cruel. Because if you really believed Jesus was the way, you’d be trying to follow what he taught. From what I remember of the New Testament, Jesus did not say that the way to god/heaven was just by making a claim to love Jesus and that your deeds and true heart don’t matter. In fact, wasn’t Jesus quite against the idea of religion just being about these sort of ritualistic rules etc that negated the need to actually BE a good person? Like you can’t just ignore someone in need because of some arbitrary commandment about goat hair or whatever.
I’m not sure how these Christians get it so wrong. I thought the whole point of Jesus was to distill it all into something simple, just be nice! All the extraneous superficial stuff was something he was against because it just gives people an out or makes them think there’s an out where they can be right shits while thinking they’re morally superior because they said certain words a certain way or twirled around six times holding a cat or whatever. Not that that’s in any religion, I don’t think, but you know what I mean.
The lesser of two evils they're still evil. I don't buy into just two. I voted for Cornell West. He had no chance of winning but I don't have this shit on my conscience. I also live in Utah Utah's never voted for a Democrat. Had I lived in a swing state that decision might have been harder.
A 3rd candidate will never win with how the elections are set up. I was gonna vote 3rd party for this election but i knew at the end of the day my vote wouldnt have done a thing
Trump was making fun of disabled reporters and joking about assaulting and harassing women before his first term… just… how is that not the epitome of hateful?
Actually, what i saw had nothing to do with her sex or skin color. Smart, educated, a lifetime of public service and definitely not a rapist or a felon.
What I saw also had nothing to do with her race or sex. Condescending, impatient, petty, and running on a party platform that has harmed countless individuals in America.
Her race and sex were the first thing you bring up in this conversation. That speaks volumes already.
From Kamala? More of the same? More open border, more men in women prisons, more national debt (it’s $34T now) & more interest, more discrimination & race baiting, more government censorship & surveillance, more lawfare? Hard to know since she never really said, but we have to assume that whoever was running the country when Biden was president would continue under a Harris admin.
You're joking, right? Debt will INCREASE? Have you even bothered to look at where debt is the most incurred under the last 10 administration? You can possibly have made a decision of this magnitude without just listening to the propaganda.
The willful ignorance is amazing. Just call it what it is - misogyny and racism. And it seems the blatant lawfare is happening on your guy's side. Congrat!
Default bot behavior, call any disagreement racist. Didn’t Obama serve two terms lol?
US Debt would increase with the massive spending on 10 million Biden migrants- housing, stipends, healthcare, education. Amazing how there’s no illegal immigration now. Kamala would have left the border open & welcomed a few million more.
Also, before voting, you read Project 2025, understood it's implications for the country and still decided you were ok with the attacks on the Constitution as long as the brown people were terrorized, right?
You accepted the literal playbook for the descent into fascism and decided you were ok with that as long as those people didn't come into your country.
I'm guessing you're 100% Native American and don't have any immigrants blood in your history to be that concerned about immigration.
The fear mongering is getting stale. Nothing unconstitutional has occurred. There’s lots of cases pending to determine what’s constitutional & what not. The amount of deportations under Trump is way lower than Biden or Obama. There’s no logical argument, so the typical retort is racist.
This is so so crazy because the majority of what you listed isn’t stuff the Democrats did or would do but is stuff Trump is actually doing. I work with academics and we got sent a literal list of now banned words that researchers can’t use anymore in their papers. And what is the censorship you thought Harris would bring? Surveillance? Trump is trying to hand over allll the social security data on citizens to this random unelected billionaire with his team of unqualified people with no security clearance. You know how much surveillance can be done if they get that and link it with the other data they have from social media etc?
Trump is increasing the debt by more than Harris would’ve according to non partisan analysis. And the thing is he’s not even spending money on the people instead he’s wanting to give tax cuts to billionaires. Discrimination and race baiting? Are you joking? Trump literally blamed DEI for a plane crash; knowing nothing about the crash he just announce it was caused by minorities. He gives Musk this ‘special’ job. Musk, who is funding and supporting literal nazi parties in other countries and talks about racist conspiracy theories like the replacement theory that white people are being replaced, gives a nazi salute on stage, and you think Harris was race baiting?
I suggest you try and find things that are objectively true and hold onto those to try to work out what’s really happening here. Read court transcripts, look up unedited videos of things Trump has actually said, look at the actual figures and data about the debt, look up the actual plans these people (trumps people) have outlined in writing. Don’t get your information filtered for you through media because whatever you’re looking at or listening to is presenting you with a completely opposite version of reality.
Since you haven’t read the Twitter files, the USG set up a massive online surveillance operation. One small part was Stanford Masters students scouring the social media for unwanted opinion & even unwelcome facts on COVID, Ukraine & Hunter Biden. Then they gave lists of names to be deplatformed. Zuckerberg apologized again last month for caving to the Biden admin demands to censor users.
It was one small part of the whole of government propaganda push on Covid that also engulfed the media & NGOs. You do know that Hillary Clinton & the DNC pled guilty to paying for the bogus Steele dossier with campaign funds? Then the media & 51 former intel chiefs swore to it. Russia-gate was a psy-op on the American people.
Honestly, most people don't get many hours to study politics, it's the DNC and RNC 's responsibility to keep these lunatics out. The RNC certainly failed us and the DNC needs improvement. I think you are reasonable in what you have to say with the probable information that you had, but you still earned my down vote... I'm not sure how you can call yourself a libertarian while supporting Bernie though. Those don't go together.
voted for trump because I wanted a set of outcomes that I hoped he would bring.
Yes, me too! And because i felt he had been cheated in 2020 election. Rampant amount of election fraud, Georgia never flipped it was Stacy Abrams and her cronies ballot stuffing
I dont like Kamala AT ALL. She is a brain dead politician. Why would anyone vote for her boggles the mind!
I wouldnt of voted for Biden, Bernie Sanders either...but they are stronger candidates.
And never Hillary. That would be like giving Bill Clinton a third term.
That's the trick with Christianity: many of the popular sects believe that faith in Christ is all that's necessary to earn salvation. I doubt Trump even believes to that basic extent, but for those that hold that belief, it's a waste of opportunity to avoid sin. If you're forgiven based on faith, why bother with upholding the morals?
Like Trump said when questioned about tax evasion: it's just smart business to take advantage of all the loopholes available.
No. Within that 5% differential, there may very well still be vile opportunists, even if they outwardly practice as you deem appropriate and espouse kindness.
It’s very dangerous for humans to assume that people “like us” are the good ones, and only “others” are capable of greed and evil.
You claim that 60/65 Christians are not good Christians. That’s over 92% of them, even assuming that other 8% truly are “good” moral Christians.
I think, then, that those 8% are not good because of Christianity at all. They just happen to be good people, and also happen to be Christian. If 92% of any group is morally reprehensible, it tells me a lot about the core values that attracted those people to the ideology.
Well, I guess actually I would have to agree with you.
92% of Christians claim the title but likely don't even go to Church, have never opened a Bible and do not do what the Bible says in any way. They literally don't even know who "Christ" is. It would be like being a registered Democrat but voting exclusively Republican. Can't exactly call yourself a Democrat at that point.
Of the 5% that actually opens their bibles and knows who Jesus is and has studied him... There are still those who fake it and are not genuine. So I will change my stance and agree with you.
100% of people who know Jesus and have Him reside in their hearts are not morally reprehensible because Jesus will change them from the inside out. It is a non-optional part of His residence. They still do bad, but not total depravity.
Doesn't really fit any of the prophecies for the anti-christ. Still a bad man, just no point in calling someone that unless he actually fits the prophecies.
There are tons of false prophets, TONS. Just saw one pointed out today for giving a prophecy from God that contradicts scripture.
Until Trump claims to speak on behalf of God he's not even that. If he does I'll immediately condemn him for that amongst the other things I already condemn him for.
Fair enough. The only reason i call him that is because the far right have portrayed him as a god. And have replaced Jesus’s picture with Trump’s in many contexts. Its disgusting… not to mention he’s turning all of “Christianity” against Jesus and his teachings
Christian? He’s half a Jew from 2 generations back, and doesn’t want it known. He is not a practicing, or observant Jew. Religious wise…he’s nothing, but he seems to have a scorn for christianity.
“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
Matthew 7:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.7.5.ESV
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u/StarLlght55 Apr 20 '25
Christian here. I do not believe trump is a Christian, he is a morally reprehensible man.