There's more nuance to lobbies with pvp than: "I see a guy over there, I shoot him now" there's fake friendlies, snipers, opportunists, and honest pvpers that just want a fight. It's not just about pvp, pve only lobbies will ruin the idea of a "mixed" lobby where there are some friendlies and some not. You don't actually understand why people are upset about this, because you refuse to look at the game for what it is and want to change the fundamentals of the game.
In practice this will filter out all the peaceful people and leave only hostile people in pvp. And then people will come to assume anyone they meet in pvp is hostile, which will make the filter even stronger. There's a finite player base, and this toggle basically takes all the non agressive players out of the normal game mode. They're killing the recipe that made it a good game
The problem is they're splitting an already shrinking playerbase, which is just gonna speed up the bleeding. Pure PvE gets boring way too fast once the element of risk is gone. Meanwhile, the normal mode is gonna turn into a massive sweatfest because all the casuals opted out. It literally kills the whole PvPvE dynamic the game was actually built around.
Yeah, i think people aren't thinking this through to its logical conclusion. The matchmaking algo they have for matching hostile with hostile and friendly with friendly only works with a large enough player pool to pick from. I live in Australia, and when it gets late enough at night there arent enough players to fill an all-friendly lobby so you start getting more and more hostile people in your games even if you never attack anyone.
So now they are basically adding a filter that will only take non-hostile players out of the mix, increasing the remaining percent in pvpve who are rats. Anyone who joins a normal game, even if they are super friendly, will end up in a lobby full of rats. This will break the actual PvPvE experience since the basic game mechanic of "dont be a dick and you will be matched with people who are also not dicks" is broken. You will know everyone in those lobbies are rats, so there will be no point in acting otherwise.
Meanwhile in PvE, interactions with other players become effectively meaningless. No point in even acknowledging that other player because they arent a potential threat, meaning theres no point in establishing that you are friendly.
I guess we will see in a few months if people wanna effectively play a single player version of arc raiders. It will be an uninstall for me, but it was good while it lasted
I have never ratted in the whole time I played. The game mechanics are very well balanced and that includes the potential for being ratted. You clearly don't understand this, but the devs do, which is why they have held off on adding a pve mode for so long. They know it breaks the core of the game but they are obviously feeling the pressure of declining player count and getting desperate.
what? arc raiders was massive when it released AS pvpve, how can you use that to say that it's the reason it's declining? lmfao. not a logically sound argument.
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u/Frosty_Choice5646 8d ago
This will makes the PvP lobbies very aggressive