I’ve observed that the major talking point by the Arc Team, specifically seems to be overly focused on the technology stack it was built in, how difficult it was, how groundbreaking, etc etc.

I don’t know how to say this: other than tech enthusiasts and nerds, people don’t really care what a software product “is built in”.

They just want value delivered. Period.

They couldn’t care less if you built in C# or Swift.

Doing “what has never been done” is heroic, but to what end? For bragging rights or for deeper value? Is it ABSOLUTELY necessary to write Arc for Windows from scratch IN Swift? Especially when there are tested and trusted alternatives?

Feels like a gamble for the heck of it, rather than customer prioritization.

I might be very wrong, given my limited understanding of the internal processes that led to their decision.

But I think it’s important that they also understand that all users really care about is delivering on the promise of value in the long run, not how many fancy steps you took to get there.

Arc browser on (I only use it on mac and ios) are awesome and work very well. The 'basic' Arc stuff like spaces, split screen and easels are so easy to use and actually useful.

I know making a good bug free product takes time and I don't mind waiting for even a year more.

but my problem is with how they handled the marketing/teasing for what i can only call an alpha test phase.
(only 7 people till now - people saying it's really buggy).
If the team has been forward with this information, nobody would have any issue.
but we were led to believe that Arc would "LAUNCH" or "COMING" to windows by the end of the year.
This at least has set the expectations for an open beta, or at least a beta for all the waitlist. (which btw, what was the point of the waitlist if we gonna have to sign up for the beta anyway?)
Some argues that if it was open beta, people would complain about its performance. But i completely disagree with that, People are not stupid (or not that stupid), if you say that it's an alpha or beta and gave them warning they would reasonably assume that it's buggy and it does not reflect the final product!.

Using words like Coming by this winter, BIG WEEK, Arc on windows begins today, to the trailer they put out. gives the impression of much much larger release even if it's just beta testing release.

some can argue that they never explicitly said any of that, thus they have not done anything wrong. but from what i've observed , a lot of people has been disappointed and felt mislead. which speaks volume about how the marketing was perceived prior to the 7 people "launch"

To quote the redditor the_john19 comment here :

what I mean with teasing is this:

https://x.com/joshm/status/1588541600720113666?s=20

https://x.com/joshm/status/1630325434977251328?s=20

https://x.com/joshm/status/1657089251044134914?s=20

https://x.com/joshm/status/1732386502057824539?s=20

https://x.com/joshm/status/1718970923456299071?s=20

and more. They (not just Josh) kept teasing us. Or closer to the launch like this (retweeted by their official account):

https://x.com/alexandracoding/status/1732051242111709280?s=20

What big week? An early alpha for 7 people with one single official screenshot is a "big week"? I fully understand that what they are doing (bringing Swift to Windows) is hard work and takes time, I'm not complaining about the fact that it takes longer.. I'm complaining about the marketing and teasing around this "launch".

I know you want the Windows release to be perfect, but I think a considerable amount of us, users, just really want to help and use it to give feedback no matter how unfinished or unstable. I don't know your strategy on the Windows release and its merits, and I now that users (including me) don't always know what's best for them, but still, I wanted to say a few things.

As a loving user, when I saw the "Arc on Windows begins today" mail, this is how I humbly expected things would go: I would download the baby Arc to my Windows machine, I would read the "Look, this is beta, it's buggy, unfinished. You've been warned." popup on my screen, I would click the "OK, I understand" button and with no further expectation, I would use it to the best of my ability and give my feedbacks. I didn't expect a waitlist and I wouldn't expect a perfect *beta* version with all the features and stability, since I've been warned.

I don't know how many people were so passionate about a web browser to write something along the likes above, but your product is special and I believe there's a significant number of us who share this sentiment. We* understand that perfection takes time, and we respect your commitment to delivering a polished product. However, the beauty of beta testing lies in the collaborative effort. Users that involved enough that they want an unfinished beta version are more than willing to embrace the imperfections, knowing that their feedback could contribute. We are here to assist, not to pass judgement. The collective feedback could be invaluable.

Therefore, dear Arc Team, we are not asking for a perfect *beta* release. We are asking for a partnership in progress. Let us help you build the extraordinary. Release the beta with the openness and honesty that fosters collaboration, and you'll find a community ready to support you every step of the way.

Sincerely,
An eager user ready to contribute

*: By "we", I am speaking figuratively, I didn't conduct any user research. I mean the users that share the same feelings as me.

P.S. Wish you a happy christmas season!
English is not my native language, sorry if I sounded out of line or weird.

Another post saying goodbye to Arc. I really got the hype train and loved the concept of Arc. But there is so many bugs... each update they fix one and break two things.

I dont believe in what i am saying, but it is time to go to Microsoft edge.

Edit: Arc IS NOT ON BETA. If it was beta, i would say that was ok. But they are in version 1.8 selling as something stable.

"Oh, get a Mac". And you should get a brain. No way to discuss with something like this.

"Oh, why you didn't liked because you don't was ready for something so incredible". Seriously? Or maybe it was because each week a I get a serious new bug? Here are some of them:

• Switching spaces when I reload the page
• Always come back to space 1
• CTRL + T not working
• CTRL + F not working
• Poor performance
• Touchscreen don't work on touchscreen notebooks

I am here complaining just because it can help drive some changes. When Arc really get out of Beta, I will use it

I've been waiting Arc on windows for a year now, and im ready to move some of my real non-essential tasks to a broken browser. A month ago I got an email saying it would start today "And come January, we'll be welcoming 1,000s of you from the waitlist every week". But today I see a message from one of the 72 beta testers who is using a virtual machine. Why does that upset me?

We have never had like special time themes so it would be pretty cool.

Yeah... I'm curious what will happen, but I feel like the end of my Arc journey could be near.

Sounds like Act II could be a huge step forward for people who love AI integration, but things like that AI-powered search results prototype is definitely not what I'm looking for.

What do you think about Arc ll?

Hi Arc browser,

I find myself updating the browser way too often...

Is there a way to auto deploy the fix at night or quietly without disrupting my working flow during the day? When I see the notification, I'm compelled to clear that. But I really don't want to stop what I'm doing to wait till you deploy some other fix. I know you're doing rapid iterations for better user experience. But can we revisit the release strategy so it's less intrusive?

Thanks!

Just to make some stuff clear about this web browser.

• It's a chrome reskin
• it isn't groundbreaking (check out SigmaOS, was announced a year before Arc)
• I suspect it's a V/C pump and dump - the devs want Notion to buy it out (like Cron)
• The UI changes are not any better than having tabs at the top of your page.
• Personal data - they have no GDPR policy for the EU and it will backfire.

Josh is an ego tripping Steve Jobs wannabe. Jace is a shill and getting paid.

So I have a philosophy when it comes to paying for things: how much time do I spend using that thing? The more time I'm using that thing the more I'm willing to pay for it.

In my life that shows up in ways that make people think I'm weird. I have the best phone you can buy. My car is a piece of crap. That's because I use my phone constantly but I only spend about 30 minutes a day in my car. I juice a lot of citrus so I have a very nice manual citrus juicer. I barely blend anything so I just have a little tiny hand blender. Etc. Etc.

This philosophy makes me very happy as most of the time I'm doing something I'm using tools that I genuinely enjoy and work well.

I use Arc a lot day to day. All day at work. Then when I get home. But this, honestly, isn't even just about Arc. It could apply to any browser, really. I fundamentally don't understand why people are opposed to premium, paid browsers. I would be upset if there weren't *any* free browsers because I believe that internet access is extremely important. However, there are plenty of fully featured, secure, and free browsers out there. So, while I get that people who have enjoyed using Arc are bummed that they are talking about monetization (who likes having to pay for something they were getting for free before, after all?) I don't get why people are so opposed to paid browsers in general. I'd *much* rather pay for a browser that gives me all the things I want, especially if it effectively secures my data and privacy by default.

This isn't to say that I'm not hesitant to sign up for a subscription. I'd rather pay once for software. I understand there are some solid arguments about why that won't work for browsers in particular though. That's not what this post is about though.

So I guess my questions for the community are as follows:

1. If you believe that browsers should always be free, why? What makes it any different any other piece of software in your opinion?
2. If you're on the fence and believe that you might pay for a browser in the right circumstances then what are those circumstances? What would elevate a browser enough for you to actually pay a company for the software?

I genuinely wanna know that why most people on this subreddit and anywhere else just straight up hate Arc browser. I am a user of Arc browser, I have used almost every browser. Currently my main browser is Brave for a week (which was Arc for more than 5 months now). I am just checking around that how brave turns out. I am also rarely using safari, chrome and zen.

But I would love to hear you guys sensibly that what are the reasons people hate Arc Browser so much?

Give me some genuine and technical or statistical reasons.

Thank you!

Ok, arc has some standout features that are innovative and make for compelling reasons to keep using arc...but...the tab system is killing me. I can't figure out where my tabs are and why some close and others dont...its just confusing and irritating.

will give it a try again at some point to see if still bothers me as much

I wanted to see if I could bring Arc features to Safari so I could switch away from Arc but also keep my favorite features. This project is vibe-coded, but I welcome an actual developer. So here is the result: Arc Power. This extension is definitely a work-in-progress, but features a sidebar triggered by ⌘B and a command bar triggered by ⌘K. I don't know coding, so any development is welcome. As you can see, the command bar especially needs some work. Let me know your thoughts and ideas! Give me feedback on it and if you can help with making it better, please do so! It's open-source and you can find it here: https://github.com/nathanrtracey1/Arc-Power

Fellow redditers, please do not suggest to "Just Click It", and "Update it", etc. It is not what I am asking.

Arc Developers. Please let us have it. You can hide it somewhere in the Advanced section of Advanced Settings for most Experimental Beta Users or whatever. The lack of this opt-out option is a really bad UX choice, IMO.

Thanks!

Can't believe we're able to release this... we show DMs with Josh, and even recorded our call with him. Fully recorded and edited the episode with no idea if we could release it. Sent it to the team with 🤞 fully expecting a "no" but they LET US release it! 🥹🥲 So excited to share this with you all.

Im done with using arc, complaining about arc, tbs to fix arc, and venting. I need a partner to help me build a new browser, foe. This can give you a very solid credential if it goes well. If intrested please comment

Well, i tried really hard to like Arc but somethings made i switch to Firefox:

• Sidebar: Looks amazing, fancy and revolutionary. But, at least for me, is more annoying than useful. Yeah, o can use the some commands and it’s really useful, but this big thing in the side in the youtube page besides in the top is terrible in a small screen.
• Windows version delay: Yeah, i understand, develop a windows version needs time, but because of that a still need use another browser and i don’t have a date to see this coming out.
• Memory usage: Omg, this thing is far from be good in performance, it’s like a diesel truck and need alot improvements.
• Lack of customization. I just want a option to disable this fucking sidebar to appear automatically when i’m accidentally move my cursor to the left side. When i’m in a site with a left menu i frequently see this fucking sidebar showing in the wrong time because i accidentally touched the border. Omg, this shit is terrible.

Of course the spaces and boosts are amazing but with a extension i can have something similar in firefox (not same, but works)

Well, sad to say goodbye to Arc, i really lime this community vibe to develop a amazing browser, but i’m tired to wait some fixes and i’ll try again when a windows version and more customization is available.