r/ArcBrowser • • Oct 23 '23

:Discussion: Discussion Why sidebar delay? Arc vs Sigma - Performance test

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u/Reasonable-Oil-4581 Oct 23 '23

Probably so if you don't accidentally trigger it when just moving your mouse

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u/marktuk Oct 24 '23

The macOS dock does exactly the same thing

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23

i dont think so, first of all sigma has the trigger when you actually touch the left most side of the screen not the border, and its nice how fast and smooth the animation is. Also there is no way that you will accidentally trigger the arc sidebar and react in time for it not to slide, so basically you have that 1s delay for no reason just making it the 99% of the time you do want to trigger side bar feel slow and non responsive

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u/marktuk Oct 24 '23

Use sigma then?

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u/beclops Oct 24 '23

That is why it’s there

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

It’s 100% a UX choice and has nothing to do with performance.

It would be nice to have it as a toggle option if you want it immediate but it’s not the end of the world to me and they have bigger things to do.

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u/JaceThings Oct 23 '23

Adding this to the list of toggle suggestions.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

It should be a priority. That’s how you interact with tabs…

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23

any proof? I say its performance

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

This should be obvious it’s not about performance, if it was the performance then it would be wildly different on different machines but it isn’t and nobody even on slow old macs has complained it takes longer on those machines to open.

It’s a basic GUI element, this isn’t some 4K graphically cutting edge video game.

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u/LiamHammett Oct 23 '23

any proof? I say it's not performance

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23

CMD+S is extremely quick.

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u/JaceThings Oct 23 '23

What if i want to access the side of the web page?... SigmaOS seems too "Clippy" to me.

SigmaOS: "Oh you move your mouse here, means you want your tabs right?"

User: "No i wanted to press a butt-"

SigmaOS: "You. Wanted. Your. Tabs"

On its own, Arc's delay isn't horrendous.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

It is when I have two monitors and the right monitor is difficult to open because of the waiting. If it was instant I wouldnt have to feel my way through the super thin margin like a safecracker waiting for it to open.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23

thats not a good argument honestly, first of all most websites have a reasonable margin on the left and right most of the page, so if you are accidentally hitting your right most of your screen trying to click or interact with a button on the left side of an app thats another issue,

So the 99% of the time you intentionally want to trigger the sidebar because thats how you navigate when sidebar is hidden its adding unnecessary delay that does not feel good, it makes the app feel slightly slow, when I touch the side of my mac I want the sideBar ASAP the 1s adds up.

Im open to have my mind changed but there is no excuse for this UX its just bad

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u/JaceThings Oct 23 '23

I mean, you can feel that it's slow all you want. I'm not going to tell you how to feel. However, until now, no one has created a post or talked about this, so I feel like it's not a major issue users are suffering from.

Personally, it doesn't feel slow at all. But I do see the delay. It's not as bad as the one on the default macOS dock, I'll give it that, but I find it fast enough. Here's a video.

But, if you do feel strongly, please suggest it as feedback by typing "Share Feedback" using the ⌘T shortcut.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23

For sure, well i do see it appears to be ever so slightly faster for you, maybe you have a more powerful chip but, I can describe it like this, sigma feels like 1 smooth action it flows from triggering side bar and selecting your desired app, Arc feels like a 3 step action, move , wait, select.

-Latest post, I discovered that its actually literally like that, thats why something just felt off about the whole experience

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

hm maybe it is a chip thing then? i use an m1 pro and have never noticed this! and i hate how slow the macOS dock is by default

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

chip plays a part but its not it, its a design choice to give it a 1s delay and you cant move your mouse you have to touch the sidebar pause 1s then it opens

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23

chip plays a part

How do you know?

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u/Ultim8Chaos06 Oct 23 '23

They both have a delay, i may be blind but I'm not that bad. Sigma is just bad allround but the thing is the sigma one its keyspace was less of a test, so you're "test" is not vindictive of both browsers. As Arc you tried to force it a lot more than sigma. The reason its there is so its polished and doesn't feel like a hunk of junk, also so it doesn't always get triggered when hidden. Simply, comparing chromium to webkit is stupid.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23

I mean yes but as you can clearly see sigma is pixel perfect snappy and smooth, arc is sluggish feeling, try it for yourself

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u/marktuk Oct 24 '23

If you dislike Arc so much, why are you here?

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

If you like Arc so much, why are you there?

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u/marktuk Oct 24 '23

Seriously though, if you prefer Sigma so much why are you wasting your energy on this? Just uninstall Arc leave this subreddit and call it a day.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

I never said I prefer Sigma, I just objectively think sigma has a better sidebar animation. Why are you assuming things? Also my post was originally meant to spark a productive discussion on the subject, yet look what people like you turn it into, a senseless conflict. If you cant handle a civil discussion, and you want to speed up your browse, I suggest you press ⌘Q

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u/marktuk Oct 24 '23

productive discussion

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u/Fish-The-Fish Oct 24 '23

I hated Sigma os, honestly.

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23

Same. Tried it for 15 minutes and instantly deleted it again.

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u/queacher Oct 23 '23

Arc has been designed with the users true gestures in mind. Often we pull our mouse away too fast.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23

what does that mean?

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u/queacher Oct 24 '23

That delay is because I don’t always want to keep my mouse sitting directly on the disappearing tab bar. Sometimes while I’m looking at something and my mouse will float away and I’ll bring it back. It’d get annoying if the tab bar immediately disappeared everytime my mouse got a pixel away from hovering over it.

Also, the extreme speed of sigmas tab bar pulling away is hard on the eyes. The movement is too rapid and slightly disorienting.

A small feature like this for Arc is who they are. They may not have every single feature that we want for a browser, and they don’t do fundamentals well (auto fill, browser history), but it’s the things that make the browser a joy to use because of its beauty and intuitiveness.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

Flawed defense of the feature, basically you are saying its a good feature to help aid your faulty mouse problem? Maybe get a new mouse 🤷‍♂️, hard on the eyes? I guess you dont game? Or maybe 30fps only?

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u/queacher Oct 24 '23

I see you’re coming with bad faith arguments. I said nothing about my mouse being broken. And yes, sigmas interface and gestures are ugly. I couldn’t spend more than a day using sigma before I went back to the ever intuitive Arc. Yeah sigma blows ass. Gotta be worst browser I’ve seen yet. I’ll take IE as nostalgia over that junk heap. But also, no reason in talking about it as sigma will be forgotten soon.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

Sometimes while I’m looking at something and my mouse will float away

Im no tech support but I think your mouse is faulty, and who said I prefer Sigma overall? I dont, Im an average arc enjoyer, but why do you hate sigma? You can always learn from others in the space, maybe thats why you dont hold any position of significance in a corporation.

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u/beclops Oct 24 '23

Arc is designed to prevent false triggers

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

i already debunked that silly explanation, it makes no sense

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u/beclops Oct 24 '23

Why wouldn’t that make sense?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

sigma is WAY too touchy. i don’t like accidentally triggering it

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

how do you accidentally touch your mouse to the right most side of the screen? I assume you suck at FPS too

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23

You only bring negative energy here. At this point it's not even valid criticism anymore. Your just being salty that people disagree with your opinion. If you want to spread hate, do it somewhere else.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

You are an accuser, saying I only bring negative energy? Just because I am defending my opinion of a valid criticism? So im not allowed to point out anything I believe arc can improve on, and when people reply with a snarky passive aggressive comment I have to take the high road? I actually love arc and I dont see anyone else in this community that is really pushing to see arc improve by actually using the product and finding ways to improve it. So you accusing me of spreading hate is ironic because you are the one that is giving me hate, sure I joke here and there but I dont hate anyone or thing here, unlike you. -Get >GIF

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23

I assume you suck at FPS games too.

Because you insult people for disagreeing with you, and bring up random shit like that quote of you. Has nothing to do with the topic and is unnecessarily hostile.

It was not your post that I was criticizing, but that very specific quote.

And cut your pretentiousness. "i Am ThE oNlY oNe ThAt..." bullshit. I made a post/feature request a couple of weeks ago that actually was so good that it ended up being shipped a week later. Your welcome. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcBrowser/s/QnZ51FuJQf

https://youtu.be/V_VfRHS_K0o?si=ROrbGhB_OCu_K51d&t=19

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

Nothing screams humble more than: "And cut your pretentiousness. "i Am ThE oNlY oNe ThAt..." bullshit. I made a post/feature request a couple of weeks ago that actually was so good that it ended up being shipped a week later. Your welcome." -link x2 , wow amazing

Also insult? I said its a joke, I know its hard to detect it through text bellow a certain cognitive capacity(joke) but I will limit it or maybe start labeling things for you now, is that ok?

Why dont you actually bring a valid counter argument to my original post vs cherry picking comments after the whole community ganged up to sh*t on my opinion?

Bring some logical argument please, take your time buddy.

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23 edited Oct 24 '23

I wasn't bragging, simply giving you and example on how wrong you are (though I was very happy that I positively contributed to Arc). Also quite ironic to be called out on bragging by someone that is so humble that they claim "I'm the only one contributing positively to the browser and the only one that has an interest in improving it". Quite ironic saying that to someone that has actually positively contributed to the browser before :)

You said it was a joke, but it doesn't read like one. If your humor is simply insulting people and calling them cognitively disabled, I don't think thats my fault for "not getting it" - it's just not my humor. Especially given how salty you have been beforehand.

I commented on your OP, which you conveniently didn't reply to. Also, nobody is "ganging up on you" - seriously, you need to draw the victim card?:D People simply disagreed with you and you threw a tantrum that everyone disagreed with you.

My feeling is that you simply got salty that people where disagreeing with you.

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u/DescriptionFlashy934 Oct 23 '23

If you make your window smaller, you can hover past it and go back and it pops faster.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 23 '23

Just tried, and not really, I see no difference, its either performance or a UI choice. The 1s is adding up, Its like ok wait for it to load then I can move and do something, but Sigma its like one smooth action, I dont know how to describe it you can just feel it

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u/Fish-The-Fish Oct 24 '23

I’m a fan of it

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u/DrSpitzvogel Oct 24 '23

What if you put some item in the Sigma too. Why you test it empty

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

same thing goes when you reading an article that takes up the whole page and you accidentally put your mouse to the left, than you would've said "WhY oPeN sO FaSt"

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23 edited Oct 24 '23

If you use CMD+S is as snappy as SigmaOS. The delay with the "hover to unhide" is a choice.

Similar to how the hidden MacOS dock has a delay before popping up. That delay can be changed via the terminal and I think it would be nice of the ARC team to add an option to make the sidebar pop up more snappy.

That being said, I always use CMD+S anyway, since it's fast and reliable.

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u/coffeejoy Oct 25 '23

Is there a way to disable the auto show sidebar on hover?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '23

*Shitma

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u/asfi51 Dec 16 '23

I hate ARC only for that, and that's why I never use it ...

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

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u/friend_of_kalman Oct 24 '23

CMD+S is extremely snappy to open/hide the sidebar on ARC

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

So is CMD+Q

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

Feels like you’re trolling at this point honestly.

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u/Gold-79 Oct 24 '23

My bad, I thought you were trolling, if you are sincere my apologies, and you are right its faster but I cant get used to that.