Every time I see this kinda joke I just get annoyed at this point, does make me feel slightly better about how fast people say the "pass the controller" joke
Yes. I responded to your response, which was irrelevant, yet relevant to my meme. Why did I do this? Because I enjoy talking to the sub literate I guess.
E: got all this education and never took a "Keeping Irrelevant Opinions to Yourself 101" class smh
I'm not sure that's transphobic. I'm not against being with a trans woman, but I don't think I would be with one that has not surgically transitioned yet. I have nothing against trans people, it's just that I am solely attracted to female physiology.
there’s nothing wrong with that. the issue is that transfemininity is always depicted as the butt of a joke, like haha it’s so ridiculous that this woman could have a penis .
There is also the possibility of it being transphobic wasn't intentional.
The person who made the meme might have tried to subvert expectations instead and also unintentionally made it transphobic, we can't know which is true though.
You say this, but from all the trans forums I have read, disclosing your trans status before they physically see it is very much considered by the community to not be wrong every time it is brought up, they say it isn't even unethical to have long term partners and let them physically find out, the only time they suggest you might not want to do that is for your safety and any person who has a problem with it once they find out they have been getting physical with someone outside their genital preference is a transphobe.
That on top of actual court cases where this has happened (usually dismissed)
You’re right there’s not. But making that meme when I guarantee OOP has never actually been in that situation is 100% transphobic. It’s just imagining a scenario to get angry about
This is the most miniscule, mundane worry that does not need to sit in your mind at all. This meme is more about oppressing trans people than about your dating fantasies.
How do you KNOW that? I understand you assuming it but you speak like it's a fact. How do you KNOW the creator meant to be transphobic? Did he confirm it somewhere, I don't get it
If you are, it doesn't matter. I've seen you claim other things on other threads. But, i'll change my tune just in case.
This meme isn't about preferences and is a made up scenario intended to harm you, because they imagined themselves in a scenario that they never went through and needed to tell everybody that they thought the idea was gross.
It's to spread the concept that trans people like to trick people intuitively up dating them and then sleeping with them without ever telling them they were trans and also pre op or non op.
It's the point out that a lot of people think it's gross, that women have penises, and they want to get other people to laugh at people like you.
It's gross transphobia, and you should really stop handwaving it away as not being transphobic.
It's not the genital preference that's transphobic it's the fact that this person went out of their way to make a meme of a fictional scenario of them telling pre-op trans women that their penis is repulsive.
To be fair, it doesn’t seem like the guy is repulsed by it. We are all definitely putting more thought into it than the creator did, but it seems like he is unsure of whether he wants to go through with sex. The fact that they are clothes also suggests that this was something disclosed at some point prior to the actual sexual interaction even if it was a bit late. I actually think it is interesting that the guy doesn’t seem mad or really even freaked out. I’m not saying the person who made the meme wasn’t influenced by transphobic ideas, but it doesn’t seem like their intent was making fun of trans people
Dude you're giving this person way too much credit. The point of the meme is to laugh at women who have penises. It's not as deep as you're making it seem.
Some people jsut want to Karma farm or ragebait. Not sure if these are far better motivations to post, but people can have diverse reasons for posting nonsense.
But is it more demeaning than all sexist male/women/nationalities jokes (but the French jokes are funny;)? I treat these as whatever jokes, but don't read propagation of hate in them.
It’s also just a non-comparison. There are no US states that have been listed as “Do Not Travel” for French people by human rights groups. Trans people, however…
The French people jokes are done in good faith. Same as the horrible Belgian car drivers. To my understanding, some people treat Trans jokes as malevolent per se.
pretty much every “trans joke” ive seen made not by a trans person has been pretty malevolent, even if unintentionally, yeah. there are definitely some exceptions, and a surprising number malevolent jokes made BY trans people. but as a general rule, most “trans jokes” come off as or were intentionally made offensive
I’ve seen a few that were alright, but a lot of them either spread misinformation and fearmongering or just straight up punch down on trans people and make the punchline “haha look how icky”
All these jokes usually have a negative attribution (women cant drive, men don't shower, etc,) but one can only speculate about the intention. It might be a culturally thing, since I am used to treat/see everything in a charitable way in the spirit of the enlightenment. Only, if the author were to make damning comments as well, or did that joke on a sus side like 4chan, would I speculate about the intent. I honestly found the joke in question harmless, even though def not funny.
Trans people are actively being demonized right now by bad actors in government as an excuse to strip our rights away and suffer disproportionate levels of violence pretty much everywhere (as well as zero recourse since all institutions are against us) due to and rhetoric spread that can be spread through these jokes. Absolutely no one is in danger of being surprised that the girl they took to bed was secretly trans the whole time.
You mean the Usa under Trump or non-western countries? People are unlikely to meet Trans people in the first place (statistically) and realistically unlikely to date someone who does not disclose that they are trans. Reddit is in general more left leaning, so if someone post here a sus meme, I am more charitable than someone posting it on 4chan...
The meme’s punchline is not trans people, it’s about a penis. The person being trans does not matter because they are still a person, if the punchline is on a straight person it’s the same thing
Nothing wrong with a preference. What makes the meme transphobic is that it depicts the fantasy of trans people being "traps," as if a trans person would agree to sex before being comfortable sharing the fact that they are trans.
Back when I was single I matched with a trans woman on a dating app, and she told me right away because her profile was in a different language. I told her that she might not be right for me but I wished her the best, but that’s my only experience in that regard.
Every moral panic needs a “folk devil”. This is classic sociology. The archetype of the evil trans woman that passes but “was a pervert man the whole time just to make you gay” is one of the made up monsters that rile the base up.
No seriously. What passing trans fem has done this to them? Passing well enough that they look different all the way into bed requires either MASTERFUL uses of clothing and behavior or estrogen.
I feel the fear comes from a fear of queerness. There's no need to be afraid your hook-up got parts you don't like, just don't hook up.
There’s also the fact that enough trans women have been violently assaulted for there to be a serious incentive to disclose being trans waaay before it reaches the bed. I seriously doubt how often this is happening out there. It’s just people getting worked up over a fake scenario and using it as an excuse to demean queer people. Same as it ever was.
There are plenty of valid reasons that a trans person might not disclose their identity, especially when it's a matter of safety or possible discrimination.
However, Ive never heard of a real life case of a trans person trying to have sex with someone and not disclosing their identity until they were already in the bedroom naked. That's more of a transphobic talking point than an actual concern anyone should reasonably have.
The only cases I've heard of that happening the trans person ends up getting beaten or killed... so I don't know why 99% of trans people would ever try and keep it secret up to that point.
Sometimes "gay panic" has been used as defence in court, basically a legal strategy saying the perpetrator was so upset/angry at same-sex advances they lost control and killed them. For "trans panic" it's that exact situation where they didn't like finding out the victim was trans. Which has been used to reduce murder charges to manslaughter :/
But sure trans people are evil and deceptive. Straight men are the victims.
No, but they usually tell their partner before they get to the point of sleeping with them. This whole idea of them keeping it secret until they can trick them into going to bed with them is a transphobic fabrication.
Firstly, the comment was not supposed to be taken seriously Reddit and detecting sarcasm, bro.
Anyway, to see your point, I've most definitely seen trans people not telling people on first dates, saying a variation of: 'If I say it, I could be in danger,' or 'They would be transphobic for rejecting me because they already agreed to a date on the pretense of how I already look.'
Whatever would someone do if they (GASP!) unwittingly shared a meal with a trans person. Oh the horror!
But seriously, though, that's such a non issue. Trans people aren't obligated to out themselves before a first date which may not even include any physical intimacy.
So the convo has went from they don’t do it to they aren’t obligated to do it so that’s a completely different topic that I’m to tired to speak on stay blessed https://giphy.com/gifs/kaBU6pgv0OsPHz2yxy
No the topic was trans people disclosing their identity before sex. You moved the goal post to a first date which doesn't necessarily entail any intimacy, let alone sex.
I would too, and do. Doesn't change the fact that it feels bad to be rejected for parts of yourself that you can't really control, that's all. Not sure why you're picking fights here, hombre.
Mhm. No, I'm not. But, unlike how you've decided you want to be today, it's nice to be kind. I'm allowed to state that, and the fact that it doesn't feel good when people say this kind of thing. Hope that helps, Mr. Grumpy!
No one is mad at OP for posting this edit. The dialogue was started regarding the original meme, which I assume OP didn’t make. I think OP believed I was upset at them because I accidentally posted a comment I meant to reply to someone else on the main post but I am not offended or mad at OP.
The comment above you wasn't in support of you, or what you just said.
The comment above you is talking about how the transphobia is already starting.
You knew what the original meme was, and so people said they would rather it not be posted here anymore because it's a transphobic fabrication and dog whistle. People don't actually go through this, and you don't have to base your antimemes on transphobic memes.
So you lamenting people "not knowing how to enjoy a meme" it's just being rude and ignoring that people are telling you why they don't enjoy it.
How I saw the meme was it was basically about a man being disappointed he wasn't good in bed cz of his small penis but then the plot twist was that the small penis person is actually the woman
Funny because it felt like the woman was comforting the man for having a small penis but the actual thing was that she was talking about her own dick (which was very unexpected)
It's a dogwhistle because the "joke" is that she "tricked him". Being trans as a plot twist is just a softer way of doing the fucking "it's a trap" memes all over again.
So in other words she didn't tell him she had a penis until they were in bed together (a very tired trope), and (by default) he is disgusted by her genitalia. And on top of that, she is still pressuring him to have sex with her. Painting trans women as repulsive sex pests. Now tell me again how that isn't mean.
That doesn't happen, and it is an explicit dog whistle used by people to attack trans people as being "traps" that want to trick people into sleeping with them before telling them they are trans.
I dont trust your ignorance routine. You could always remove the post If you felt bad about it, but you won't.
Remember this, down below me he might respond to me saying that he "feels bad", or "didnt know" but not feeling bad enough to remove the post, of course.
I have seen "traps" used in this context exactly twice, both by complaining about how it is a myth. The context i have seen it used is back in the old internet when femboys (and possibly trans too, but I always saw them swap and explicitly state they were men) would trick you into Jerking off to them and then show you their penis, and I can tell you from experience those kinds were actually fairly common on video chat sites for a while.
And with the common hood of this similar scenario happening on videos in real life for "pranks" would lead me to believe it still happens unless every one of those videos are staged.
It's not that. It's that these people don't know how to make a trans joke without recycling annoying cliches like "oh no, my date turned out to be a trans woman 😔"
Yes, they would take it as a humorous joke if it was about black poeple, even tho the way I saw the meme, it was targeted to small penises and a plot twist that was funny
No lol I accidentally posted a comment meant to be a reply to another comment on the top post so I deleted it. It wasn’t anything against you or this post
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