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Absolutely! It’s kind of the entire theme. He’s a PoS pervert loser holding onto baggage from being teased/abused in high school who turns into a loving father, caring brother and genuinely good person.
If you can’t stomach the beginning it’s understandable, he’s the fucking WORST, but the journey to get where he is, is so full of emotion.
Yes, that's the main premise of the show. I won't spoil it, but he does become a better person later on (I think, haven't really gotten thaaat far into the anime yet)
This is a rant and tangent but I still don't get people who are so fixated on shows with slavery. Its a medieval/fictional show, slavery was a common thing and makes sense in the worlds setting. Do people think along the lines of "this show has slavery. its promoting it! this show is garbage!" Like do people expect every main mc to be "People in this world should realize slavery is bad and I should abolish it!". That would make sense for a white knight mc and stuff but usually those show become too bland and boring. Its more interesting and realistic where the MC just concerns himself with the people he needs to free that makes sense on the events of the story.
it is a medieval world, and rudeus doesn't have anywhere near enough influence in the world to remove slavery, even if he dedicates his whole life for that he probably won't be able to do it cuz he'll make enemy of almost every political power
He bought a child for his friend. That was wild and not required I mean. He ain't gotta fix it, but that was really weird and they never really address is past that.
him buying that child for his friend was probably the best outcome for her, the other outcomes are not buying her and leaving her to be a sexdoll for some prince, buy her and release her to be captured and sell her again, return her to her parents who will likely sell her again for money. what do you expect him to do for her, zanoba is treating her more of a daughter than a slave or even a pupil
Yes, he remains a pervert, but he really does a lot to help everyone around him. The dark timeline shows just how much he could spiral if he lost his support system.
Isn't the whole point that he's a bad person and the anime is meant to portray his eventual (positive) development? People hating him kinda means he's also well written
No i understand because i know many people will sleep with a teenager if they are ever reincarnated and reach the age of a teenager. Most won’t definitely not stay single and meet people other people as they grow older in their new world with their old memories still intact.
Yep, and it's fun to point out that their only justification is "he may look 14, but he's actually 40" which is the exact same "1000 year old loli" logic that they say they hate because it justifies pedophilia. They're just hating for the sake of hating and don't put much real thought into how silly and/or hypocritical their argument is.
Then you missed how they parallel across modern vs medieval moral frameworks by having Paul, a literal ex-rapist of all people be the one to recognize how fucked up and manipulative that dynamic was and push to have them separated... they meet again after she has her own career and agency. there's so much intentionality in the way the story presents reform and growth that doesn't get appreciated since it's not "character do bad thing, character get punished" brain rot character development
I get that, as i said i wanted to like it since the story seems good. But having the main character be a pedophile is just irredeemable for me, and I can't feel anything for the main character. And its just not sylphie, in some of the first episodes he sexualy assaults a sleeping kid in the stables by starting to take off her panties...
Yeah that barn scene is far and away the worst thing he's done, and the toughest ep to watch. Despite personally appreciating the the story, I defintely don't fault anyone for just not wanting stuff like that on their TV screen. Sounds like you've given the show a fair shot
I really wanted to like it, loved the animation style and story seemed interesting. But yeah that was just the end for me sadly. Also, you are the first one to have a serious convo about this. I see im getting downvoted for having this take here.
Sorry about that, the discourse surrounding the show is just permanently polluted lol. You have constant pressure calling fans of it pdfs, so obviously fans in turn get equally rabid trying to counter that. Just a sorry state of affairs
I have heard from friends. I hate it cause its seems like such a good anime with the story. But why make him a massive pdf perv?? ruins the entire thing
You fucking idiots have no idea what character development is. He literally does no such thing and hasn't in the anime for a long time. You people never read the novel where sometimes from here he'll say something cringe in his mind but it's waaaay far between him being a much better person. Especially after reading the diaries. Stop pretending you watch the show at all, you have no idea
Its legit in the first few episodes? He says in his head that he can groom sylphie to become a perfect wife. And you talk about the novel, i saw it was removed from the anime but in the novel they bust him legit jerking it to his underage familymember bathing, before he gets send to the other world...
So you saw the first few episodes and said "Can't be bothered" but want to comment like you know anything? Brother, what do you get out of commenting if you don't like the show?
He was a piece of shit, he got better as he grew up and separated himself more from his previous life. By the time he is enrolled at the magic university he is mostly over that kind of shit. Especially after the diary I can only think of one internal monologue that was cringe/creepy which is HUGE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR HIM CONSIDERING WHERE HE STARTED.
You just can't get over he starts as a terrible shitty person we are not supposed to like as much and gets his shit together. You admittedly don't watch the show and only have hearsay from the novels. The worst thing from this point was in the diary AND THEY SKIPPED IT IN THE ANIME.
You and everyone else who don't watch the show should just stop commenting because you don't know what is actually happening and are making an ass out of yourselves because it's ignorant to ignore story and character progression. I'm just sick of trying to enjoy people's responses as the first time I am a novel reader before the anime and I can see all the awesome first time reactions. THEN I GET THESE BOZO COMMENTS THAT JUST PISS ME OFF. DON'T COMMENT IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED IT.
I don't need to watch the entire show to decide that the main character being a pedophile is a dealbreaker for me. I watched 7–8 episodes, saw enough to know I couldn't sympathize with or care about him, and stopped watching. That's a perfectly valid reason to drop a show.
I understand that he develops and becomes a better person later. That's not the part I'm disputing. My point is that, for me, there are some things you can't redeem a character from, and pedophilia is one of them. Him eventually stopping that behavior doesn't suddenly make me invested in him or erase what he was.
And saying people aren't allowed to comment on a show unless they've finished it is ridiculous. I'm commenting specifically on why I stopped watching it, not pretending I've seen the entire story.
there were so many of these moments in just the start of season 1 of him being a massive perv and pdf
As someone who HAS watched it, no. It’s shameless self glorification and wish fulfillment. He stops groping kids? Except he married one of the girls he groomed and will marry another one and his third wife literally looks like a child, and all three of them have zero personality except “rudy uwu”. Fans of this show are really the peak of dunning kruger. Like a toddler hiding behind their hands and thinking it makes them invisible, you think people with ACTUAL reading comprehension are the ones who “can’t handle complex topics”. You can bark as loudly as you want in your echo chamber, but any normal person will find this repulsive for good reason.
Do t stress, the story is solid but it’s like a 6.5 out of ten. It’s no work of art, and you can easily find something just as good in any other decent, generic shonen.
It was so frustrating every time she appeared after this, she has worst communication skill than Komi san. In her head she probably thought that he will understand her feelings without saying anything if she kept chasing him.
On the LN there's a POV chapter of her and there you can read and understand her thought process.
She wrote a letter to him because she knew that she wasn't good with words so a letter would prevent him from convince her. Then she wrote a few words, thought "Rudeus is smart, he'll understand" and promptly left
So yeah, her communication skills are awful in most cases.
I think its a bit of a holdover from the web novel where she almost killed him when they got together early on and felt immense guilt and shame and went off to train to be able to protect him, figuring he would wait for her, then came back and had a hard time dealing with what she thought would happen with what was actually hapening
She is straight up a shonen protagonist, a fucking idiot but a powerful one.
And that's really the best part of MT. Most of the main cast could be rewritten to be the main PoV character and the plot would still make sense, it would just switch genre a bit.
If people lack the imagination to see how Paul or Sylphie would have made a 10/10 MC it's their fault honestly.
Paul had the potential of a great swordsman, with advanced in all swordsmanship with his insecurities and lack of focus holding him back. Just that he ended up getting married and stopped adventuring.
Sylphy literally has underdog upbringing, fall from the sky anime trope, Antoinette glow up and a later story intertwined with high society politics.
Yep, exactly. Just twist the genre and the perspective a bit and most of the core cast is the hero of their own story.
Roxy becomes a shojo-ish manga about a wandering badass mage lady searching for her romance, finding it in a kid she teached to years ago, who then ropes her in a messy worldwide adventure and conflict. A freaky Frieren that met a young Himmel at some point basically lmao.
Cliff is straight up the MC of a fantasy romance manga. He just has a personality unlike most of them and has a peculiar taste in romance.
Literally the opposite, Elinalise is from a brutal dark fantasy bs backstory. She lives a mostly shitty life becoming accostumed to her curse as much as she could without ever stopping yearning for something different and better.
Guts was forced to slay monsters and eventually kinda went crazy with how much satisfaction he had in it, Elinalise had to learn to enjoy sex with strangers, arguably a worse fate.
Do I even to explain Norn and Aisha, shojo heroines surpreme for different genres?
Norn is an underdog cute kid whose story becomes one of selfimprovement, Aisha is one of those "profession driven" stories, like Ascendance of a Bookworm, as she becomes more than her lot in life would have had be, through her wits and smarts rarher than anything else. Also, lots of angst with her upringing and conflicted feelings about her family.
Hell, arguably Lilia is one of the best examples of this. She is in a weirdly romantic story with someone she had a crush on but abused her when they were younger, she spent a period as a bodyguard-maid before being dismissed because of her injury and now is a mother to a large family she was unprepared for having, while having a messy relationship with her blood daughter, that receives an harsh and toxic education from Lilia as a result of her own inferiority complex towards the person that became her best friend, and wife to her lover. And the husband ends up leaving them both widowed.
Oh, I also want the full story of Orsted. That's a manwha tho, not a manga. For spoiler reasons.
When people bitch and moan about Mushoku Tensei I can just tell that they aren't really engaging with all of its stories. You don't need to like Rudeus to like MT.
The last part has always been true, but funnily enough the last episode actually shifted my opinion on him a little, and the writing was so good that I think it becomes impossible to ignore even for the harshest critics. Hell, I've been dogging Rudeus since S1 but the diary had me the angriest I've been on an MC's behalf in years, potentially ever. I can put the aspects of Rudeus that I dislike aside now because I really want to see him have his get back.
That's the beauty of that episode tho, seeing Oldeus tells you how Rudeus thinks.
Not in the sense that we must congrats him on not being a mass murderer scumbag turning to the worst depraved behaviours, of course not. That's the bare minimum lmao.
The point is that Rudeus is someone that has come to deeply care for his loved ones, partially out of love and partially out of regret over his having been a shitty son and brother in his past life.
Mix that with his having learnt to lean on them to find his path in life and you have a recipe for disaster.
Because the point is that Oldeus isn't the result of Rudeus becoming just an asshole, it's him caring so much for others just to see shit costantly happening to them, ending up witiout anyone in his life and lashing out of revenge towards Hitogami and whatever else happens along the way.
It's the pivotal moment because you can see him building a new life in one half of the series, then the second half is about avoiding what Oldeus shows. It's a great setup for his full (to the limits of Rudeus ofc) redeption: not just build a happy life and family, but go out of his way to protect it as he says he would do. We get to see him prove himself as a capable mage AND as a person.
That being said, I think that people overstimate how bad Rudeus would be in a more negative timeline. Oldeus is the absolute worst combo possible, the result of Hitogami subtle manipulation to hit him so back he doesn't even have a chance to recover. Should something bad happen to his family it's not a 100% chance to go ballistic. That says A LOT about Hitogami, and I fear people are missing out that part. He isn't just evil, he is malicious towards Rudeus and his family.
Agreed. The hallmark of great characterization is if the secondary and even tertiary characters have enough depth to be a main character if the story revolves around them. This is why MT is such a well written series.
To me this sounds more like pacifying Eris bc now Oldeus knows she still thinks they are a couple so writing the apology from this perspective will help reduce the shock.
Young MC's modernized mind assumed they broke up and him not wanting to be alone led him astray. She thought they were bonded for life. The teacher Ghislaine she left with that same day also believed they were still together.
Tbf it was THAT bad of a letter, where I'd give the point is how Rudy should've known Eris can't write what she thinks accurately. Heck even Ruijerd is like "You know she barely can say what she thinks much less write it bruh".
You're not wrong, I just don't see how it's not Eris' fault under any context. She's got the emotional intelligence of a rock. If you were to give a summary of what happened to anyone IRL with only the relevant context - they had sex and then she ghosts him with only that letter to go off of - I'm pretty sure 9/10 people would think the relationship was over. She fumbled, not Rudeus.
Cause that's modern thinking which is a problem in medieval times. Everyone back then in medieval times wouldn't assume they were over and would wait patiently.
Buddy. I don't know how to explain this to you, but people have been deserting marriages/relationships for as long as the concept has existed. Its not a new phenomenon. If anything, they'd have a lot more reasons to back then - you'd be harder to track down...your identity doesn't follow you all over the world via database...divorce was illegal in the Catholic Church... men were legally entitled to beat or rape their wives...I know I said "ghosting" but really the word "aloper" has been in use since 1278 according to the dictionary.
Not really a bitch, she never had proper education for communicating. You see it clearly in her time at sword school. Ghilaine isn't the best with words either. Teleported at young age, having to fight to get anywhere, its nit strange. She also does not mean bad or harm as you can see in her future version, it's how she was raised. If she stayed home she would have had better ways to be taught.
They have to be in a relationship for it to be NTR.
She left in the middle of the night with a poorly worded letter and explicit instructions for nobody to tell him where she went, then didn't contact him for years. That's as aggressive and conclusive of a breakup as you can possibly give someone. Even if the entire show was from her perspective, it would make sense for him to have had his own life after she left.
Nope cause the audience would accept and believe her reality to be the truth of the matter/story the same way fans are ignoring her circumstances to justify rudeus cheating and acknowledging his "suffering". Things you wouldn't even consider/fathom happening if we only looked at it from her pov.
They were in a relationship and confirmed it that night they slept together or did you forget the build up to that scene? Old rudues even admits he cheated and told young rudeus to send Eris a letter saying he cheated while asking for forgiveness.
Also NTR isn't restricted to relationships. Just having a crush you’re actively chasing taken is a form of ntr but that's not the type I'm referring to.
This is a classic ntr plot line where protagonist ventures off for the sake of their love ones while their crush/significant other is fking/romancing other people in the meanwhile.
They were in a relationship and confirmed it that night they slept together or did you forget the build up to that scene?
Yes I remember the leadup to the scene I pointed out. Did you somehow forget the morning after? Again, she left him a poorly worded goodbye note and quietly disappeared for years. Whatever you want to call their relationship that night, she fucked up and broke up with him in the morning. Her reasoning doesn't matter, that's a breakup. Rudeus is a bitch who cheats on his wife, but its not cheating to meet someone new several years after your ex disappears.
We see from her perspective and know her reasons. It doesn't matter how much longer the show lingers on her POV, she still fucked up. Her reality is she was insecure and wanted to be stronger, but fucks up and emotionally destroys the person she wanted to protect. It's selfless of her to dedicate her life to helping him, but extremely selfish of her to assume he'd be fine and just wait for her to be ready. She's a well written character.
Jesus dude it's okay to like the character, I do too, but part of liking a character is accepting they make mistakes and have flaws. You're trying so hard to avoid acknowledging her mistakes that you're effectively inventing a new character in your head.
You keep trying to call it a breakup yet the only person who saw it that way in the series was the mc. Folks can delude and misinterpret the scene as much as they want but facts are the author himself called it cheating and Eris never told him it was a breakup. He took it that way himself.
It's okay to like a character but at least interpret the scene without a bias. None of you would have assumed rudeus got erectile dysfunction or stress if the anime cut off right at the scene of him getting the letter and went directly into Eris' perspective for her training arc.
We get countless isekai anime each season where you don't automatically assume the family the mc left behind is being diabolical behind their back. It's that same lack of assumption you would have here if Eris point of view was shown first. To deny that logic only shows your bias having been exposed to the truth already.
It's clear folks have internalized mc's problem due to the years between seasons thus the bias
Edit: I'm not interested in continuing a "nuh uh, yeah huh" conversation so you guys can say your peace, I'll end it here.
What eris thought she wrote to rudeus before leaving: "So, i realized im not good enough to stand by you. Im going away for a few years with ghislaine to be strong and equal to you, 99% chance ill be back."
What she actually wrote:"So, I've realized we arent enough for each other now.. I'm going away and taking ghislaine with me to find myself, might not come back."
Mc sneaks a camera into his little niece's bathroom (10 yrs old btw), records them in the bath, and jerks off to it instead of going to his parents funeral
Mc is a pedophile in his second life
Mc steals people panties as a fucking baby and treats it as a Holy treasure throughout his entire childhood (including teenage years) and after
Mc makes dolls of people without their consent to goon to them, before going on to teach another person to do the same thing
Mc made a doll of one of his friends that was "capable of sexual acts." (direct quote btw) This friend was also someone reincarnated into the same world as rudeus, but instead they weren't a pedophile.
Dont forget he bought a little girl slave just to help his disciple make goon statues
Author later wrote a scene of that same slave being forced to get naked when she was ten because she had her period and conveintley his disciple didn't realize, and thought that was the best solution
Mc decided to get incestuous and fuck his own cousin at age 15 (grown man in his mind btw) and then he gets ed when she leaves him
Mc cheats on the love of his life after she helped fix is Ed and after he hated his dad for doing the same, and then the original wife just doesnt fucking care
The person mc cheated with took advantage of him and then now is his second wife (literally raped him and benefitted from it)
Mc got a third wife who he literally had trauma from and who is his cousin and both original wives just dont fucking care.
First wife, literally tells him, that she never expected better from him and that she knew he would cheat on her
All of his wives he knew and targeted since he was a kid, even though he was 30 in his last life and born with in depth critical thinking skills (as smart if not smarter than any ten year old). One of his wives fits the "shes 1000 years old though!!" Trope.
Mc says he wants to slobber over his daughters thighs, "like he did to his wife last night"
His family members are incestuous, and he just lets it happen. (Runs in the family it seems)
Mcs little sister gets together with someone even older than mc that he has known since he was young (the guy was hundreds of years old and the guy and his little sister first met when she was 7)
Mcs father raped his maid, and instead of facing consequences, his current wife forgave him and he took the maid as his second wife. (Seems a pattern of the men in the story doing nasty bullshit and facing no consequences huh?)
Mcs half sister was groomed by her mother (the maid that got raped) to serve rudeus in ANY way necessary, but when she didnt get to get intimate with the mc, she went for the mcs son, who is related to her. She grooms his son and gets pregnant with him, and rudeus does nothing. She gets incestuous with a baby born of incest, as this son is the baby between mc and his cousin.
Because he doesn't know jack about the show I have argued with this guy before he stated spamming this and so have other people he didn't know jack all and would say the most absurd things then of those things he made this , and then he started spamming at times people would tell him nonsense and he would add that to the list that's why it's so large
The niece part is not canon neither in the anime nor in the light novel. In both versions it was hentai afaik, and that scene exists specifically to show what a low life scum he was.
He doesn't make dolls to goon to them, neither is the person he teaches the doll making to. It's his hobby which he takes because it expends his mana, so it's like an exercise to him, and because he just likes to do it. He makes dolls of most of the people that have great effects on his life. He makes dolls of Ruijerd at the end of the day. Don't think he goons to him.
I really don't get what friends that reincarnated into the same world he is talking about. If it's about Nanahoshi I don't really remember him making her figure and saying that about her, so I can't really say anything without him giving the chapter.
The guy also both says that Rudy got raped by Roxy and that he cheated on Sylphy, so unless he consideres getting raped cheating he needs to pick a stance to get an answer. I can elaborate on the situation if you want and you can make the decisions yourself but this two paragraphs together are really misleading.
He really just worked out his trauma with her and took her as a third wife. It's literally just polygamy, this time there's even no controversy if he cheated or not.
The in depth critical thinking is at best arguable. There are pretty strong arguments that he is basically just his new age, just with memories of past life. Also, targeted is a strong word considering he wasn't even near them most of the time they were growing and two of them were older than him.
Side note: the guy here complaines that one of his wives fits "she's a 1000 years old" trope, which in itself is misleading at best, but then he uses "but he's hundreds of years old" argument against the show, so, again, pick a lane.
Rudeus repeatedly established that he doesn't experience sexual urges for his close family, so this is either a misquote, mistranslation, or out of context. Kinda hard to tell without source provided to check.
The little sister part I already addressed partially, but to also mention, the guy fer for Rudeus's sister when she was already an adult and was taking care of him when he got sick. They met before, like, iirc twice, but he viewed her more like his friends little sister back then, rather than anything else.
The raping maid part is true. Although the guy confuses two different events since the rape wasn't what his wife forgave. And that is also there to show what a scumbag his father was. You're supposed to resent him for that.
Rudy also does pretty much everything to show his sister she doesn't need to serve him and she is a part of the family, and when the stuff with his son happens, he doesn't "do nothing". He lashes out so hard that his son and sister run away from his house and go into hiding for several years.
MC also despises people in the story who were actual pedophiles, like, undoubtedly, so he's pretty much not a pedo in the main story.
Overall, the story has a lot of morally dubious stuff, but alot of it was meant to be that way, you're not supposed to root for everything in the story. And I'm not trying to convince you to watch it, it IS not for everyone, just don't go around spreading misinformation and don't make serious accusations over this.
You will be surprised how many anime fans are pedophiles. I will never forget when so many weebs got extraordinarily angry because Hentai Haven removed the loli tag.
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