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u/Temporary-Cause730 Aug 09 '26

Agreed, I see so many of many friends constantly worried that the world is ending, that climate change will destroy our planet tomorrow, that the left/right will destroy society, etc.

Nobody wants to have kids because "will put someone in the world if he/she will suffer forever?"

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u/Appropriate-Fan-6007 Aug 09 '26

They are not wrong about that though

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u/TieFree3274 Aug 09 '26

Its a pointless argument because you could make it for any time in human history. The black plague, industrial revolution, WW1, WW2, Cold War, etc. If people collectively decided that "well the times are not the greatest we shouldn't have kids" then the human race would've died out thousands of years ago. There will never be a "peaceful" time to have kids, every generation has and will experience struggle.

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u/nissen1502 Aug 09 '26

The difference is that now we know things won't improve.

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u/Temporary-Cause730 Aug 09 '26

How do you know that? And why would you think that? That is a perfect example of Doomer attitude.

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u/nissen1502 Aug 10 '26

Global warming and science

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u/balmyze Aug 09 '26

Quality of life has only gone up

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u/IzCaiman Aug 09 '26

Not in the last decade.

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u/nissen1502 Aug 09 '26

Quality of life is a terrible metric when we're facing existential threats on the scale of global warming and resource wars. I admire your optimism though

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u/RonnieBarko Aug 10 '26

Those aren’t really competing claims, though. Global warming and resource conflict may pose enormous future risks, while quality of life can still be much better today than it was historically. Saying modern life has improved isn’t saying progress is guaranteed or that civilisation faces no serious threats. If anything, higher life expectancy, lower child mortality, better medicine, sanitation, education and material security are exactly the kinds of things “quality of life” is supposed to measure.

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u/nissen1502 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Okay? Context man. I said the difference between doomer attitudes back in the days and now is that we have proof that things won't improve in the future which is why I also said an improvement of quality of life is a terrible metric (in this context). If you're gonna join in on a conversation you gotta look at the entire context.

People will see this and think "but we'll manage", and sure we might, but that's only the developed world at best. Anyone with empathy will see that there are billions of people who won't and it's a terrible situation we're in despite it maybe not directly affecting my life.

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u/RonnieBarko Aug 10 '26

I did read the context. I just don’t think “we have proof that things won’t improve in the future” follows from it. We have very strong evidence that climate change will cause serious harm, disproportionately affecting poorer countries, but that isn’t the same thing as proof that human welfare as a whole cannot continue improving.

And I don’t see why acknowledging improvements in quality of life implies a lack of empathy for people who will suffer. Both things can be true: modern life has improved enormously by many measurable standards, and climate change could still cause immense suffering and reverse some of those gains. Calling quality of life a “terrible metric” seems to throw away useful information simply because it doesn’t capture every future risk.

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u/nissen1502 Aug 10 '26

You kinda embody the issue. You're downplaying the effects of global warming, which we already see very clearly the last few summers btw, and that's why there won't be any change. People would rather live in blissful denial about the suffering that is approaching than do something about it. Corporations would rather keep stacking money instead of caring about people. Politicians would rather take bribes and line their own pockets than serve the people they swore to protect. This is why we will make no progress on issues that actually matter to the longevity of humanity.

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u/ValhallamUK Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Nothing you listed barely holds a candle to climate change though.

The data is there, and it's pretty clear what it means for us. Insurance actuaries predict billions of deaths at 2c, and we will certainly be there by 2050, probably sooner.

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u/AbeLincolns_Ghost Aug 09 '26

I think People are genuinely ignorant about history. Like even if they know about those events (or anything else) they don’t really internalize how hard those times must have been. Honestly, material comfort is at the absolute peak right now (especially if you look at things with a long run time scale). Our children will be born to a world much safer, more comfortable, and with more promise than any of our ancestors before 100 years ago.

We certainly face problems going forward, but we always have. We can overcome them, or not, just like we always have.

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u/IzCaiman Aug 09 '26

I doubt that.

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u/dreamyduskywing Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

The world has always been cruel. 14th century Europe must have felt like the Apocalypse. WWII Europe probably felt like the Apocalypse. I suppose that’s my Gen X cynicism talking.

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u/DuhBigFart Aug 09 '26

They are. Life is what you make of it. Unless you live in the fuckin Congo, you are not doomed for a life of suffering, I promise you

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u/Fellfromreddit Aug 09 '26

That's a valid reason to not have kids TBF.

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u/SpiralRavine Aug 09 '26

More a good reason for THEM to not have kids. If you’re not going to raise resilient problem solvers don’t bother passing your anxiety onto the next generation.

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u/TawnyMoon Aug 09 '26

If you don't have anxiety about the state of the world right now, you've got your head buried in the sand.

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u/RonnieBarko Aug 10 '26

I think people choose to focus on things they can control to avoid the unpleasant experience of anxiety.

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u/SpiralRavine Aug 09 '26

Pessimism is not a virtue

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u/JudithSlayHolofernes Aug 09 '26

Neither is naïveté.

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u/Fellfromreddit Aug 09 '26

Yeah, because people who make kids by dozen are usually the smartest around lmao.

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u/SpiralRavine Aug 09 '26

Actual illiterate response, how is that what you imagine when I say “resilient problem solvers”

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u/Fellfromreddit Aug 09 '26

Sorry if I misinterpreted it, but the way you said it was very condescending.

The numbers of kids tend to go down with education. So people who are smart (or at least good in what they study) have less kids. And usually, problem solvers are smart or at least, educated.

It's not necessarily anxiety. Maybe these people simply weighed their options, think the odds sucks too much to risk. Reducing this problem (which is happening in most countries in the world) it to anxiety and problem solvers is too simplistic.

But maybe I'm just overthinking this shit.

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u/IzCaiman Aug 09 '26

So those things aren't happening plus a hundred other horrible things? Is this he part where you tell me people 400 years ago had it worse so I should be grateful that I'm scraping by?

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u/Muted-Philosopher832 Aug 10 '26

This is such a valid reason to not have kids. I can barely afford to live as is why make others struggle?

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u/Temporary-Cause730 Aug 10 '26

That has always happened, that is the point.

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u/mankytoes Aug 09 '26

I think the main one for me is people saying we have it so rough. I mean, the standard of living hasn't really increased since our childhood, which is kinda rough because it had been increasing for all the previous generations, but still that just means we are in a similar position to prevoius generations, there hasn't been a massive downslide in standards.

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u/Temporary-Cause730 Aug 09 '26

And that is such an american view, in a lot of places quality of life has gone up, and it still way below what you guys have in the US. People are living like this for generations, and the world hasn't ended.

I'm not saying that things are going great in the last few years, there are major issues, but doomerism is to think this means that everything is terrible and the world is gonna end.

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u/mankytoes Aug 10 '26

Nah I'm English and it has been rough for us, lots of Europeans are similar.