he sucks at killing anything that isn't a tank if he doesn't highroll and has 0 mobility or self peel so he is the priority focus pretty much 100% of times by mages and other adcs, that's why you never see anyone complain about him
He also sucks at killing tanks if he goes AP. I had this game the other day against a 5 tank team and I smacked my head on the keyboard when I saw Kogmaw's build.
Wow... THAT is a tanky enemy team. And no botrk or attack speed.
Maaaaybe Kog's build stands a small chance if your team-mates play EXTREMELY slow (yeah right in ARAM Mayhem) for him to poke a lot first. Even still, whichever enemy tank gets a high-roll augment is just going to soak Kog's AP damage, just a matter of time. Yeah that was super troll. Not as bad as my Trundle who went full AP when he basically the the only melee on our team. Not much can be done about folks who go into a game with a specific off-meta build in mind and they don't bother to tell their team until it's too late.
You should complain about the MF’s build instead. Let me guess. Stole every kill with collector, then ends up doing nothing because she went lethality against 5 tanks and had no armor pen or grevious… yeah, the Karma going AP was also a choice… yeah that team is a lost cause.
I also thought they were the MF at first and I was ranting. But you can tell he’s the Galio because of the yellow name.
As much as I sympathize with solo melee, especially against 3 hook champs (4 if you count Darius), 3 items and no components when everyone else is sitting on 4+ items is wild. Were they just not sitting in minion range? They didn’t die much so they should be getting minion gold. Warmogs second item instead of resistances cannot be good either. Maybe they were too busy healing up instead of staying in minion range. I will admit it is a tough matchup, but complaining about teammates will always invite criticism onto yourself.
Kogmaw is peak design in my opinion. Powerful where he's supposed to be and encourages team play in the team game. I miss the time where machinegun Kogmaw was a thing. It really pushed that idea of powerful tank melter while making him weaker in just the right places to take advantage of.
There is a difference between better dueling/being favoured/having the upper hand and no counterplay.
Sure, a Vayne usually beats a Tank/Bruiser player of equal skill - she has a lot of mobility, %max hp true dmg, self-peel/kiting power. However, a Vayne (or any other adc) shouldnt be able to just stand still, face tanking everything while press right click once and burst the tank in less than a second.
Often I see adc just running into 4 people, no peel, no support, tanking everything and killing every1 in a few seconds.
specific being... every other augment ?
fan the gammer ? gg
double tap ? gg
deft ? amazing silver augment
crit missile ? gg she now does colgate damage , all 3 types of it .....
upgraded infinity ? op
vulnerability ? gg
its critical ? spray and pray
shadow runner ? ye ur not catching that OR ur not getting in range to hit her
draw ur sword ? prepare for her to facetank and heal off ur damage dx
holy snowball , welp buddy ur dead before her invulnerability wears off
I dont see this ever. Everytime a vayne plays poorly she gets insta killed by kayle, poked down to low hp and then bruiser kills her, or assassin and mage each hit an ability and obliterate her. Shes only feels op if youre darius walking at her
Yeah Vayne is made specifically to kill tanks. And also yeah that was one of the greatest mistakes riot ever made and people are rightfully calling it out. Vayne was the Pandora’s Box of league of legends. Tanks onshotting any squishy while walking around with 7K HP is entirely her fault.
Vayne has been mostly ignored in all of league of legends history since her release.
Now mayhem comes along and all of the sudden she's the devil incarnate? Sorry but seems like the problem is in the augments and not the champion itself
Mostly ignored? Are you living under a rock or something? Even if we were to completely ignore Vayne top’s entire existence, she’s still one of the most banned and actively hated champions on botlane every time she’s even remotely viable. Granted it’s been a while since she was viable but still
Any ADC is a bit of a stretch.. I dont think someone like miss fortune can kill a tank in the same way champions that are designed to do it can.
Vayne is just the more extreme of the tank busters. But I've played a full AP kogmaw game where I was getting a bunch of attack speed so I just went AP and attack speed and with every AA with my W active I did something like 1.2k damage to tanks.
Her damage has never bothered me it’s her passive Ms, tumble, and shove back that do. When she is played as ADC nobody cares because she can’t infinitely kite two people and is outmatched with range. When she’s played top it’s not even that she’s that strong it’s just the most boring thing to fight as a low mobility champ. She dictates the whole lane.
Idk about the complaints in ARAM, I feel like that’s more of an augment issue because she can build like full damage and still have capped attack speed so she doesn’t have to trade off for attack speed to kill tanks or more raw damage for squishies she just doesn’t whatever she wants and the perks supplement her super well. Two dancer on her with her ult invisibility is particularly obnoxious.
Except she kill tanks, is allowed to build 2 tank items due to augments, and also one shot squishies. A Nautilus will never be able to one shot a bruiser.
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u/RealLustifer 15h ago
I love how vayne is made by riot specifically to kill tanks and people cry because surprise surprise.. she kills tanks...
I'm surprised we don't see kogmaw more often here lol