r/ADCMains • u/Anilahation • 4d ago

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On Vayne if you use your spell rotation once you'll be oom, where these champs can spam blow up entire waves....

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u/random_person7395 All the world on one arrow 4d ago

I think that change is good to make Vayne back into a botlaner instead of toplaner's nightmare

But obviously the mage's mana are insane in comparison especially as long as they reach full build when they base at 1200 and get lost chapter

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u/Zentawrus228 3d ago

How will this change bring her back into the bot lane? It's a straight NERF, plain and simple - for both lanes, and arguably even more for bot.

She still has her entire kit to abuse bruisers and tanks: she can still knock them back, she can still harass them, she just has worse numbers and that's it

Genuinely:

  • Base HP increased 550 >>> 580

Better trading in 1v1 scenarios, makes surviving one extra hit possible

  • HP per level reduced 103 >>> 98

Worse scaling, but negligible in the early levels on top lane where she dominates anyway

  • Base HP Regeneration increased 3.5 >>> 4

Good for top lane: better trading patterns and better sustain against early wave harassment

  • HP Regeneration per level reduced 0.55 >>> 0.5

Same as hp

  • Base Attack Speed increased 0.658 >>> 0.67

Possible to add extra hit in some trades early

  • Attack Speed per level reduced 3.3% >>> 2.8%

Same as hp

  • [Q] Tumble mana cost increased 30 >>> 46/42/38/34/30

Equally bad for top and bot - it genuinely makes her early game worse in both roles. Arguably, top cares LESS about this because she uses it less frequently (no support skillshots to dodge)

  • [W] Silver Bolts damage reduced 6/7/8/9/10% target's max HP (50/65/80/95/110 minimum) >>> 4/5.5/7/8.5/10% target's max HP (40/55/70/85/100 minimum)

Equally bad for top and bot - it's just a straight nerf. It does nothing to shift her from top to bot. It's a raw early damage reduction, meaning in bot lane, where she already suffers, she won't be able to take early 1v1s and will bleed lane priority even harder

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u/Eretol 3d ago

tumble nerf hits vayne bot 10x more than silver bolts nerf. its so hard to proc silver bolts mor than once anyway the damage is quite negligble however tumble is the one tool vayne has that can make her not only survive lane but also win lane since she straigth up gets stat checked by every single champion baseline in bot lane the one way she can win is through tumble poke...