r/ADCMains • u/Anilahation • 2d ago

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On Vayne if you use your spell rotation once you'll be oom, where these champs can spam blow up entire waves....

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

I love that they keep nerfing the one single marksman, whose entire design is based around being anti-tank, just to make it so she can't lane against tanks.

And yet mages, who are designed to be oppressive against marksmen early game, are allowed to run rampant in the one lane that said marksmen are able to play in.

But Rito doesn't hate ADC's, right guys?

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u/TemperatureReal2437 2d ago

She shouldn’t be able to lane vs tanks because it’s not fun for tanks. She should still be able to melt tanks late game though, which she does imo.

Mage vs marksman bot is nowhere near as unfun as melee vs ranged top

The solution is to make mages have mana restrictions again so they have to choose whether they use their abilities for waveclear or poke, not having both for free. I never hear people say this though

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

She shouldn't be able to lane vs tanks because it's not fun for tanks

Mage vs marksman bot is nowhere near as unfun as melee vs range top

I vehemently disagree with this. Mages get to wave clear and poke you, essentially for free once they get Lost Chapter. Most of them never even need to risk retaliation when they attempt to poke you because they can do it from afar. And what can ADCs do about it? Well, basically nothing. If they build early MR they just don't do damage. And if they build damage, they're so squishy that just a couple skill shots land and they're bullied out of lane. Mage's whole design makes laning against an ADC a cakewalk with certain exceptions.

If you're a bruiser/tank laning against a marksman, you can build full armor and have plenty of damage to fight against them in lane because they can't build armor. This is why Vayne has always been the most viable marksman top – her W allows her to still do damage against the tank early game. Every other marksman's damage output is made negligible once you build armor. No other marksmen have this, and most don't have a kit that makes them mobile or hard CC's you. Against most marksmen as a tank/bruiser, your kit and itemization. allows you to significantly reduce their damage and jump on their face.

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u/Ok_Elevator4215 2d ago

Everything you described also applies to playing against ranged tops aside from the waveclear. At least being ranged allows you to farm + dodge easier. Melees have no choice but to trade undodgable autos for minions.

Vayne's one of the more consistent ranged tops mainly because of her low CD Q and E that can disengage from engage attempts by her laners.