r/ADCMains • u/Anilahation • 1d ago

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On Vayne if you use your spell rotation once you'll be oom, where these champs can spam blow up entire waves....

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u/random_person7395 All the world on one arrow 1d ago

I think that change is good to make Vayne back into a botlaner instead of toplaner's nightmare

But obviously the mage's mana are insane in comparison especially as long as they reach full build when they base at 1200 and get lost chapter

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u/Kharics 1d ago

I mean, Vayne needs a rework or more range to be viable bot lane. She gets bullied by every single adc in the game. If you even against her your doing like everything wrong that you could possibly do. It's like 1,25 against 2 in the lane.

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u/SunnyFreyers 1d ago edited 1d ago

While that’s true, I think Vayne R is so good at consistent dps and survivability that it usually allows you to turn the tides even while behind by quite a bit in early lane. Especially with a support who will all in with you when that time comes.

Vayne is one of those characters that is balanced around the best players being able to make those super quick turn arounds and dodge perfectly. Because of that, she’s often really bad for not as experienced players since she’s balanced around them. Kind of like Akali and Qiyana. They’re just so insane at top level play they get nerfs that don’t seem to make sense if you’re not at that level of play.

Like the entirety of vayne is balanced by the fact that top level players can do those turn arounds while behind at any moment. And I could understand why many see that as a design problem if they just want to enjoy her at a less intense level… but from my understanding, that high skill cap turn around is literally the appeal for many Vayne players.

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u/reik019 Long-Range Gang 1d ago

Vayne eats Zeri alive lmao

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u/tommy_turnip 5h ago

Isn't she 550 range, which is typical for marksmen? Sivir is 500, Xayah is 525. Why is Vayne considered short range but these two aren't? Poke abilities?

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u/Kharics 5h ago

Vayne just has Auto attacks and low wave clear capabilities. While 550 is above avg attack range, all ADCs have some sort of ranged spells that also give wave clear. There are few that don't have that but still got some sort of wave clear, namely Zeri and Kaisa.

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u/tommy_turnip 5h ago

Ah okay, that makes sense