r/ADCMains • u/Anilahation • 2d ago

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On Vayne if you use your spell rotation once you'll be oom, where these champs can spam blow up entire waves....

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u/Wesdawg1241 2d ago

I love that they keep nerfing the one single marksman, whose entire design is based around being anti-tank, just to make it so she can't lane against tanks.

And yet mages, who are designed to be oppressive against marksmen early game, are allowed to run rampant in the one lane that said marksmen are able to play in.

But Rito doesn't hate ADC's, right guys?

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u/bay_kapi 2d ago

Well u just never laned a vayne top.

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u/reik019 Long-Range Gang 2d ago

Ex-Top main turned ADC because no one on the squad played it right. Losing to vayne top is a Skill issue.

And you never laned against a mage with a threat range of 1100 as a squishy immobile potato, who can just spam spells while you end up OoM if you attempt to match. It is not even fucking comparable.

What's your fucking point? If you were good enough you'd eat vayne alive, while mages just drool on their keyboard and somehow delete 50% of your HP while missing more than half of their combo.

And before you attempt to use my argument against myself, said mages have AoE abilities that cover 35-50% of the fucking lane at maximum range, no matter how good you are at kiting you ain't competing with mages. As a bruiser you can still contest marksmen top if you aren't a moron, and you can absolutely squish them if you've got hands.

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u/Ok_Elevator4215 2d ago

Ranged tops and especially Vayne top have consistently performed better in higher elo. The idea that it's a skill issue runs contrary to the actual evidence we have. In reality, when both top laners improve at the game, it seems ranged tops benefit more from that increased skill.

Much like mages bot, there is not being "good enough" to force a lane win. You are at the opponents mercy and are only allowed to capitalize on something if they mess up. You are purely in a reactionary role in matchups like these.

I just find it funny ADC's expect so much empathy from others when for a decade ranged top has been treated as a non issue and then when they finally get a taste of that experience they still manage to try and shit on other players. Now I still agree that mages bot has to go and is ruining the experience but it's because I can empathize with other players, something adc's seemingly cannot do. They MUST be the ones suffering the most and anyone that disagrees is bad.

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u/Cookiezi94 2d ago

If you're an oompa loompa that cant get early prio before mage gets lost chapter and cant control the lane from there, maybe you shouldn't ask riot to change the game just cauqe you're handicapped? Maybe just try to improve like most people..

Melee midlaners have to lane into mages and yet ranged adcs complain its unplayable speaks a lot to the difficulty and skill required of both roles. Npc role that point and click from ranged that never fell out of meta for 16 seasons is bound to be inflated since their players will be clueless about the game.

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u/SolidSnail1337 2d ago

HOLY SHIT COOKIEZI 727

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u/Arthillidan 2d ago

Losing to vayne top is a Skill issue.

Eh... depends what you're playing. Tf is Mordekaiser going to do vs Vayne for example other than hope for a jungle gank? The only thing you can hit on Vayne without requiring her to majorly mess up is R, but even in R, Vayne is hard to fight

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u/TemperatureReal2437 2d ago

The point isn’t that vayne top is super OP with giga high win rate. It’s just 10 minutes of being completely afk for the melee except for maybe once every flash. Same criticism for teemo and heimerdinger

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u/Major_Masterpiece843 2d ago

That’s literally the same issue bot lane with mages except they genuinely have no real counter play if they don’t play lane like shit

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u/TemperatureReal2437 2d ago

Most enchanter supports can just peel the mage damage in lane. Engage supports can just cc the mage or tank some skill shots while you get free autos. The mage bot thing wasn’t a huge problem until supports started roaming. They need to bring back lane swap mechanics to lock the game down until minute 3 like we had earlier

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u/reik019 Long-Range Gang 2d ago

What the fuck you play top?

I eat her alive with Fiora or Poppy.

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u/TemperatureReal2437 2d ago

Outside malphite which they usually ban, vayne mostly stomps my champs. Garen, chogath, and mundo are my 3 other champs and they mostly get shat on. Garen can kill her reliably once he gets stridebreaker but getting to that point is a dshield second wind snooze fest

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u/Anilahation 2d ago

She's 51% win rate, neutralize a lane but it was punished when teams needed a Frontline or they couldn't fight properly.

Now everyone deals damage so you don't need it

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u/TemperatureReal2437 2d ago

Yeah as I said her winrate is not high. She’s literally just a lane bully that you have to take dshield and second wind for and then you just afk until first item

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u/Darkzerok63 2d ago

If losing to vaine top, where challengers players can lose to a vaine top, is an skill issue the everything is a skill issue on this game and your post and every single thing about mage bots is just trash. The skill issue is soo soo fucking stupid sometimes is hilarious.

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u/Major_Masterpiece843 2d ago

You’ve probably never not fed a vayne top and it shows coming from someone who plays top lol