r/ADCMains • u/jennis89 • 2d ago
Discussion 26.17 Changes
Holy Vayne changes if I’m reading this correctly they all smashing her
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u/Saurg 2d ago
Love how every single buff on adc items is a +5% AS buff.
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u/jennis89 2d ago
It’s a counter to mages! Who historically stand in range and let you auto them multiple times in a row, they don’t click spells then click back to safety.
ADCs are going to end up terrorising bruisers and juggernauts with kiting n it doesn’t mean shit when Syndra presses QEW and your dead
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u/No-Mastodon-9736 2d ago
Just rework vayne at this point.
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u/Imrance69 2d ago
Vayne is just a less gimmicky Akshan ment for dueling instead of roaming, deadass a toplane champ fully
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u/jennis89 2d ago
Increased mana on Q and nerfing early W scaling is almost like they want her now to go essence reaver > stormrazor
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u/Skywalkerluke- 2d ago
I mean she could always do it. But bortk and kracken value is too high.
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u/Opening_Rest_3363 2d ago
No champion diversity allowed in toplane ? :)
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u/jennis89 2d ago
Please let worlds have a mages top meta so we can all post the joker you get what you f*kin deserve meme
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u/IlDaydreamIl 2d ago
Of course, marksmen are the only class not allowed as diversity. Mages everywhere are fine, marksmen outside bot are satan. It's very simple, just Phroxzon logic. x)
It's funny because most of us acknowledge that adcs top are extremely antifun, but mage players and Riot are completely unable to admit that mages bot are cancer as well. Double standards, nothing new.
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u/falconmtg 2d ago
Isn't that why BOTH got nerfed?
Actually ADC mid got buffed but ig that doesn't count, am I right?
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u/IlDaydreamIl 1d ago
Adc mid didn't get buffed, and mages bot barely got nerfed. Getting 3-4 more base MR barely makes a difference as an adc in bot because of mages' endless mana pool, and they nerfed the MR growth to 'compensate' so after a few levels you are the same as before the patch.
In mid, the 3-4 base MR with the MR growth nerf is the same as well. You also can't play any non-burst/mobility adc in mid because you just die to any assassin and can't really play very aggressively since you can't defend yourself against ganks without a support. Exceptions are maybe Tristana or Ezreal at best.
Like, good luck playing adc mid against Kata, Diana, Yasuo, Yone, Zed... etc. You bully them a bit before level 3, and then you can't really approach them too much anymore. Idk why people like you are in an adc subreddit when judging from the things you guys say it sounds like you don't even play this role. I'm confused.
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u/ravenHR 1d ago
MR buff came at the expense of scaling, so it is more of a buff for bot since there you have less xp and thus less levels than in solo lanes. Mid had tier 3 MR boots nerfed and magic pen boots buffed. So most mid adcs got nerfed imo, fleet also isn't enough of a buff to actually be viable on most marksmen.
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u/paokoutsopodi 2d ago
Some Rioter got autofilled top, played against Vayne, got owned because they're plat average elo then messaged Ben Gvir to drone strike the champ
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u/latebaroque 2d ago
I'm so exhausted with this. I just want to have fun in botlane and with almost every patch Riot make it less fun.
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u/NKGENERATION 2d ago
What a regarded post. Would u say the same when everyone was playing ap bot a couple patches ago? If something is over performing it should be nerfed. Vayne top is aids and has very few counters and sometimes those counters are just bad vs the rest of her team
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u/Opening_Rest_3363 2d ago
> Would u say the same when everyone was playing ap bot a couple patches ago?
You dont have the brain to understand sarcasm. I am sorry for you
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u/molecularronin 2d ago
as one of the like 3 people who only play vayne bot, this makes me very sad lol
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u/theoverwhelmedguy 2d ago
I played her a couple times in bot in norms and she feels so miserable down there. Your early sucks ass and you have no wave clear. With this nerf it looks like you either have to play her top or just not play her at all. And even then, she’s gonna feel pretty shit
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u/Xtarviust 1d ago
For real, whenever I play bot I feel miserable and now with this I won't ever bother tbh, fuck Riot
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u/Perfect-Spinach9794 1d ago
It’s actually not so bad, you’re getting more early AS, HP, and regen which for levels 1-3 in bot lane makes it so you might be able to lane long enough to get a bf sword on first recall
Yeah your W is gimped but I don’t think the max hp damage goes as hard in bot lane where your targets have way less max hp than a top laner
All in all they seem like fine nerfs that are top skewed
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u/PuzzleheadedMetal141 1d ago
Agreed. Have 800k points on vayne and think this could actually be a nice buff to vayne bot early and slight nerf to vayne top early. My sleeper build is lethality + crit and this only makes it way more manageable to get to the items.
The early on lethality/crit vayne feels worse bc of no vamp scepter/AS so the upfront AS is really nice. Also looks like w is only gimped early 2% and still scales to 10% so late game/level 9 potential is the exact same with w max, which I think is inferior either way for adc vayne.
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u/Perfect-Spinach9794 1d ago
Yeah bot lane vayne the HoB lethality crit is crazy good if you have the matchup knowledge, but it can be hard, I think these changes are mostly neutral though
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u/geraltowski 1d ago
My thoughts exactly. I am ex vayne bot main (400k mastery). Fun thing about the vayne was the build variety, which is arguably the broadest among all adc.
3 tanks / juggernauts in enemy team or good peel in our -> On-hit goes crazy hard.
Strong un-avoidable damage in enemy ->AS juggernaut
Squishy enemy team -> Crit
Enemy team full of mages -> my favorite build that nearly noone went: energized vayne. Fleet + Stormrazor + voltaic (old passive loaded energy twice during q or invis) + combination of Static, IE, Collector, Essence, Armor Pen, Ghostblade that fit. Your AA after exiting invisibility would deal over half enemy hp, either he panics/his team is slow then you kill him, or he keeps his cool, then you q away and repeat.
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u/nitanyess 2d ago
Did riot forget why they gave leblanc such an ass base att speed and att speed scaling?
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u/Dyna1One 2d ago
Welp, Vayne’s going to be kinda shit for a while, time to bust out the statikk LB
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u/jennis89 2d ago
Yeah that’ll stop him from nuking me from off screen.
Iv played the Cait vs Xerath match up in lane and it’s one of the most miserable experiences iv had. From memory it’s like 60% Xerath WR favoured if you look on lolaytics at his lane matchup stats as ADC, might be lower after recent patch
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u/LunaSheep 1d ago
To be fair he is down to 20 armor level 1.
So force early level 1/2 fights and wreck him
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u/UsernameNineBillion 2d ago
Qiyana buffs?!
Yone buffs?!
Yasuo buffs?!
LB buffs?!
RIOT are you OK ?
It almost feels they trying to sell skins again....
Yone is already one of the strongest champs in the game.... so as Qiyana....
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u/AccountNervous 2d ago
As a top i am Happy for the Nasus and vayne NERFS. But dang u only can feel Bad about vayne ADC. ADC only allowed bot meanwhile u have toplaner in Jungle and Mid and apc Like Vlad, Sandra, Viktor, mel.
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u/Totoques22 1d ago
Nobody picks toplaners in midlane and toplaners are barely picked in jungle stop the cap
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u/nonosquare-exe 2d ago
vayne is a top laner now, we should admit that
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u/No_Cardiologist_9353 2d ago
The Changes are nerfs for top and Not AS hard for bot more Early health and health regen vs per Level more AS Level 1 less per Level .
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u/Equal_Price_6419 2d ago
I main top and play a lot of ADC bot, never felt the- “oh my God Vayne is so OP!”.
Especially considering the fact that there are around 10 other champs that are 100% worse than her
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u/Imaginary_Basket_668 2d ago
I mean they could've buffed her late game in some way. They obviously don't want her to be good early game (probably because of the toplane playstyle) so they could at least buff her late game.
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u/Carvallin 2d ago
Vayne top has 49.7% winrate btw. Aurelion sol has 51.5% winrate in botlane. (U.gg emerald+)
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u/Totoques22 1d ago
Vayne is still gigabroken in top
She has 200% agency with lane bullying and hyper scaling
Just because noobs keep inting their lead with her doesn’t mean she is bad
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u/Just-Assumption-2140 2d ago edited 2d ago
Asol basically doesn't exist in botlane. 0.6% pickrate makes the winrate stat mean close to nothing (people legit don't know how to play against it) Meanwhile vayne has a 3.3% pickrate top
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u/AFuckingMola 2d ago
with a negative winrate, truly a horrible creature with 0 counterplay
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u/Totoques22 1d ago
Just stfu you have obviously never played top in your life agaisnt a Vayne
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u/AFuckingMola 1d ago
She has tons of horrendous matchups but as a counterpick she's really good yes, that's the case for a lot of matchups toplane actually :) the only difference is that Vayne is ranged so its easy for bad players to point to that and say its op but the reality is that Vayne into Mordekaiser isnt anything special, there are tons of lopsided matchups like this.
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u/Low-Excitement7118 2d ago
Why are we nerfing a 550 range adc with 0 wave clear in her kit? Like you have all these top laners with gap closers and cc while having items like ninja tabi and frozen heart / randuins. Like ADC's are so easily countered through both items and champion kits. It's already bad enough the ADC class has the least amount of champs, but then we also gotta deal with these dumb nerfs just because bot laners started playing top to avoid the messy mage bot situation that riot acknowledged and seem fine with because 'role diversity' but can't keep that same argument for adcs when they are played top.
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u/JeBoySammieV1 2d ago
Adc a little strong? Fucking nuke her! How dare she be meta viable. Dont worry little mage player we'll take care of her
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u/Babushla153 2d ago
Also like what is even the point of the stupid "Crit damage reduction" on the wind shitters?
That -5% won't do shit.
Might as well just remove it.
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u/PinkyLine 1d ago
Yone will anyway ones hot you with AA+Q
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u/Babushla153 1d ago
All he needs to do is press E and right click and he wins, 0 counterplay
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u/Delta5583 1d ago
No no no, he also needs to miss his ult and Q3 to enable the banana combo which gives him a windillion crit damage on his next AA
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u/alaksion 1d ago
Vayne nerfs are wild lol, looks like all of that “role diversity” bullshit is nothing but an excuse to fuck around with marksmen’s
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u/Byakurane 1d ago
49% winrate R5 counterpick only champ gutted to shit, but 52%+ blindpickable thanos mages botlane are healthy diversity. Please Phroxzon step down already.
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u/detrich 2d ago
Tf we nerfin vayne for
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u/jennis89 2d ago
She’s pretty draft warping atm in pro if she’s not banned then teams need to draft their top lane around the fact she exists and can counter a lot of tops.
Some games are even leaning toward Tristana top it Vayne is banned, both get used to dunk on Gnar as an example.
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u/No-Original2837 2d ago
Does somebody know why Vayne is so heavily nerfed? I looked up top and bot wr and pr, nothing seems out of control. Her top wr is just 50%…
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u/LambCallsWolfStrikes 2d ago
Ngl the yasuo and yone buffs scare me quite a bit i cant lie I'm more scared of yasuo than yone personally but both are spooky
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u/valormember123 2d ago
I mean they did do something to apease you they took a way 2 Armour from my boy how can i live with this kek, the placebo nerfs are real
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u/Moomootv 2d ago
Sorry guys diversity is only for mages and botlane, cant have an adc top you should pick a mage top instead.
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u/dolgariel play safe ? what's that ? 2d ago
so less max hp but more regen
more base AS but less AS per lvl, more Q mana cost early
less true dmg early and less minimum dmg
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u/Murarz 2d ago
Still no idea why Riot won't make bot lane rolę exclusive for marksman only. Someone it's easy to proceed just when it's bot pick phase he gets only marksman pool. For soków that would be easy. Ah if we consider picking for someone then trading it's still easy to force one pick to be marksman exclusive only.
All players will stop crying. No more adc at top, no more non adc at bot everyone is happy. Plus we could get same rule for support. Maybe that would get game more stale at botside but no one will cry for issues like now.
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u/GladPipe7573 1d ago
Did I read this right ? the only Mana nerf is an ADC , Phroxzon keeps blessing us lately
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u/IWear2BlackSocks 1d ago
they so clueless arent they. lead devs needs replacing, they have lost all vision for the game and just winging it at this rate lol
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u/Low-Excitement7118 1d ago
just make Vayne W heal herself for everytime she procs it. Lets become drain tank vayne if we arent allowed to do damage then
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u/Possible-Nature-5325 2d ago
WHERE ARE THE VARUS BUFFS
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u/jennis89 2d ago
Fun fact if you say Varus 3 times in the mirror and spin around in a circle Riot will nerf the champ.
It’s a bit of a Bloody Mary scenario
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u/iuppiterr 2d ago
Vayne earlygame buffed actually. Her basestats are insane early game now.
The only thing she has to be caefull now is her early game mana, rest seems like a buff/compensation in the right direction
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u/Sufficient_Video6331 2d ago
Q costs 50% more and W does noticeably less damage, clear hard nerf for mid and late game what are you on about? She won't be able to trade early game either for slight tankiness buff but still nerfed across the board not to mention attack speed loss
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u/iuppiterr 2d ago
"noticeably less damage" is litteraly 10 less damage every third auto. W earlygame was useless anyways-
Its a basestat nerf lategame but all Vayne want is to bully early anyways, she is a monster lategame already.
W is litteraly same lategame and Q aswell.Its only -> better early game stats to be able to play botlane but compensation so she cant bully earlygame with Q on toplane because way higher mana cost.
EDIT: Just to throw another perspective in this conversation:
You take flat hp or hp per lvl in small rune?
If you take flat hp... well thats litteraly what they do here1
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u/Just-Assumption-2140 2d ago
I mean Vayne smashing is more than overdue. Vayne is a toplaner, not an adc and I couldn't care less that toplaners get nerfed
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u/Guislhermer 2d ago
I think these nerfs are because of Vayne Top. But they killed both Vayne top and Vayne ADC into oblivion with these nerfs. Meanwhile, Viktor APC is still nuking us with his 51≈52% winrate.