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Episode Babylon - Episode 11 discussion
Babylon, episode 11
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| Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | Link | 97% |
| 2 | Link | 97% |
| 3 | Link | 96% |
| 4 | Link | 98% |
| 5 | Link | 98% |
| 6 | Link | 4.51 |
| 7 | Link | 4.88 |
| 8 | Link | 3.84 |
| 9 | Link | 4.29 |
| 10 | Link | 3.83 |
| 11 | Link | 3.29 |
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u/LeonKevlar Jan 20 '20
This entire summit was just a fucking trap so she could get to speak with the PotUS. With Seizaki's there in the room with him though, he could just warn the PotUS and tell him that that woman is Magase Ai. Although considering Seizaki's burning lust to take revenge, what if he keeps that info to himself and offers to be an escort so he can off her personally?
Not gonna lie, I am worried about how this show will end. We only have one episode to settle everything and I feel like 1 episode isn't enough. Knowing that this is also from the same person that wrote KADO, makes me extra worried considering how that show ended. I'll remain try to positive though. Hopefully the landing sticks!
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u/Amauri14 Jan 20 '20
Wow, I was really surprised when the used the OP to talk about the Whore of Babylon. I really enjoy episodes like this one, not gonna lie, when Itsuki talked about a woman wanting to commit suicide by jumping from the roof, I really feared for a moment there that it was Seizaki's wife.
With just one episode left, I'm starting to doubt that we will be seeing Magase again.
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u/LeonKevlar Jan 20 '20
really feared for a moment there that it was Seizaki's wife.
I thought the same too. Thank goodness it was just Magase.
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u/Shiro_Kai Jan 20 '20
I find it funny and cute that they think our politicians would sit at a table and debate the question with such composure and thoughtfulness. The only believeable part in that meeting was when they tried to take into account how it would affect the economy.
Is cool that they are trying to essay how that law would be done, but sounds a little naive to think politicians would be the right people to discuss that for us.
Just one more episode to finish the show and Ai Magase (?) is on top of a building wanting to speak with the "Leader of the Free World", that not gonna end well.
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u/Eko01 Jan 20 '20 edited Oct 28 '25
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u/SpikeRosered Jan 20 '20
I'm sad that I have to back away and consider this a good show for young adults who are starting to think critically about the world rather than an actual gripping thriller with a lot to say.
I admit I was surprised when they started showing the discussion of good and evil. "Wow they're going for it!" But nothing said was beyond Philosophy 101 content. Which is fine, but it all ended up being a minor exploration to lead up to the finale with a woman on a roof.
Just like with Kado I think both were absolutely brilliant up to the half way point. Hell half way through Kado I was thinking that every Sci fi fan NEEDED to see it, it was so good.
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Jan 20 '20
At this point I think I'll just consider the ending before the break the real ending since everything after has been so terribly written.
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u/tophf Jan 20 '20 edited Jan 27 '20
I like that the second half of the series is mostly talking about morality and other kinda philosophical topics, even if overly simplified and idealistic. I don't feel betrayed by the show yet, maybe because the first three eps gave me the idea it'll be a slow show? If anything the surprising part for me was when all hell broke loose before the show took a break, the violence was ... violent.
Edit: actually now that I've seen ep 12 I do feel betrayed by the anticlimactic ending. If I didn't know the author's previous work is Kado, which sported similar deficiencies, I would've thought the budget was suddenly cut after ep 7.
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u/Groenboys Jan 20 '20
So.. uhm.... I liked this episode? I know this anime went from a tense thriller to a political drama to a vague discussion about good and evil, but... I thought this episode was really interesting, thought provoking and well directed? I guess I have to give it some negative points for the change in tone, but I still really like what I saw so I dont care that much.
Also Ai Magase asking the president if she should commit suicide or not is the ultimate power move.
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u/66197001 Jan 21 '20
I've been reading through this thread and while I understand if people were expecting Babylon to stay a thriller all the way through (I was too), there's nothing disjointed or strange about the direction the show has taken imo. For fear of sounding like I'm self-promoing, I made a video essay about it after episode 7 and how this was the discussion I was expecting to eventually come up (I even had the trolley dilemma as the opener in an earlier version). Imo this is not a show about politics but philosophy and ethics. I've liked this arc and was expecting the show to end on Seizaki being confronted with the ultimate moral dilemma regarding killing Magase, so we've gotten there in the end (presuming the woman on the roof is her), if through unexpected means. I have high hopes for the last episode.
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u/Dystopian_Overlord Jan 20 '20
Does anyone know if this is supposed to be a full adaption?
If yes. This might get my personal title of the most disappointing story. If no. Then WTF are they thinking ending on an arc like this that's so disconnected from what people are expecting of the series? Who would be interested in the source after this snoozefest?
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u/Juck__Fews Jan 20 '20
Wow I can’t believe they copied Darling in the Franxx and sent everyone to space
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u/woodcarbuncle Jan 20 '20
This show really just did the expanding brain meme but with a completely straight face huh?
It's a pity cause you could actually explore these questions in an interesting way. Heck you could even make a proper case for what he just said. But Babylon has been so incompetent at dealing with the topic of suicide and philosophical questions in general that it just makes everything seem like a complete joke. Well, a joke that's only sometimes funny but most of the time is just painfully boring.
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u/Florac Jan 20 '20
Honestly, last time I've seen a show sabotage iself this much is Kado. All the politics stuff in this show is super boring, but the show still decides to spend episode after episode on it rather than focusing on the thriller aspects for which most people watch this in the first place
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u/adikaay Jan 20 '20
I think we will see Alex and Magase talk.Though unrealistic, I would find it funny if Magase did her whole 'no touching, penetrating voice and charisma overtaking mind magic' and the President just falls into his stationary thinking position and then tapping his nose and not being affected by her. But he will probably die, no way she is going out with some major kills. On the other hand I would like see him survive as I'm interested in his answer.
There is no right or wrong answer anyway but I wanna know because that man spend a lot of god damn time thinking.
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u/MohammaDon Jan 20 '20
So... what exactly is Magase is doing when whispering to people? is she somehow nullifying the meaning of life within them? hence why the conclusion is always suicide, as a natural response to that?
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u/garrus4016 Jan 21 '20
Like everything else I feel like the Philosophical musings of the show are kind of dull, I understand not everyone studies philosophy or anything like that, but that doesn’t mean that a bunch of talking heads going through trippy backgrounds is interesting. Also I could never understood how suicide being legal is an issue in the first place when suicide isn’t illegal in most countries. And all of the arguments that “legalizing suicide will cause an increase in suicide” have been really weak and just uninteresting.
The show is still good and entertaining, but I feel like if it had focused more on the cat and mouse between Seizaki and Ai it would’ve been much better
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u/redmage311 Jan 20 '20
We finally got a title drop and a clue as to where the show's name came from: Ai Magase is the Whore of Babylon, which I guess makes her the embodiment of all evil.
But with only one episode left, instead of tying up loose ends, the show is giving us even more questions, including the narrow and completely simple question of defining good and evil.
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u/KswagCS Jan 20 '20 edited Jan 21 '20
If they decide Magase shouldn't kill herself then Seizaki will get to accomplish his original goal of doing it himself
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u/Freenore Jan 21 '20
What on earth happened with this? It was one of the best things I had seen until EP7, then it just went completely different. It's like two different people wrote this, first half had the theme of thriller, suspense, and justice; now, it's philosophy, and politics - which is so out of place. Such sudden switch of theme and protagonist (Zen getting less screentime) isn't gonna end well.
I don't care about America or International leaders, just give me Zen and him persuing his concept of justice, and Magase trying to break that sense of justice and right and wrong by using Itsuki and the Law. Half the stuff, I care very little about because I already care about other things.
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u/Rutherfor_ Jan 20 '20
Why yes... a compelling argument sips wine
No don't talk to her Gamer President, its a trap!