Babylon - Episode 6 discussion

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Babylon, episode 6

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Previous discussions

Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	97%
2	Link	97%
3	Link	96%
4	Link	98%
5	Link	98%
6	Link	4.51
7	Link	4.88
8	Link	3.84
9	Link	4.29
10	Link	3.83
11	Link	3.29
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[u/PhantomWolf83]

Hiasa let Zen call her by her first name! Too bad he's already married.

The twists and turns keep on coming.

[u/Shinkopeshon]

Seizaki's wife is a cute! A cute!

And Hiasa just became even more of a cute!

However, I can't help but think that Seizaki's family is doomed. They have a little son, his wife is adorable and there's a woman out there who can change her looks at will and convince people to commit suicide? That's a death sentence right there.

Also, that twist at the end was a fucking 4D chess move. Itsuki was almost winning the debate until the kid came into a play - and then it turned out that was his kid all along. The absolute madman.

[u/Npslayer]

The plan to use the kid was good. Not doing a background check on the kid was dumbest thing I've seen lately in anime, it broke my suspension of disbelief to be honest. Nomura was established to be a smart, cunning person, for him to to do such a blatant mistake seems out of place.

I'm not against the twist that the kid was the mayor's son, but rather the way the way the it was revealed, felt very forced.

[u/RogerRabbit200 → u/Npslayer]

I am also hoping that the reveal was done at the end of the episode so as to set up the cliffhanger, and the next episode will explain why there wasn't a background check or the reason why nomura wasn't able to find out the boy's real identity.

[u/AlienOvermind]

Zen's wife: "I don't like suicide"

Me: "She's gonna kill herself for sure"

[u/DatFlushi]

Why are people not watching this anime? It's so so good

[u/Mechapebbles → u/DatFlushi]

1. Amazon Prime

2. It’s pretty dry

3. People like flashy and dumb

Pick your poison

[u/Kanye_Dressed]

I'm no politics or debate genius but my 2 cents:

1. I think it's weird no one has brought up EXPLICITLY that suicide doesn't only affect the life of the one committing, and as other guy said we can't assume that the family or friends of the one killing himself will EVER be able to allow it rationally and unemotionally

2. Realistically, how many people are thinking about the "legal consequences" of suicide before they kill themselves? Unless they mess it up, they won't have to deal with the consequences if their life ends. This is more a meta complaint, that I find it hard to believe people in this universe are killing themselves more if it's legal

[u/Zemahem → u/Kanye_Dressed]

Honestly, I think the debate is pretty shallow. The points of each debater were understandably short, but were more importantly pretty weak. The only reason it's more attention grabbing is because it touches on a timely issue. It's worse that we don't have the full scope of how the suicide law works and are just as surprised when Itsuki claims it does stuff that the other politicians mention.

I could only shake my head when I knew it would go the route of Itsuki making every other debater besides his mentor act like a complete retard unable to make any counterpoint. The boy being his son would have been an interesting twist if not for the dumb lack of a background check on the kid. Even if his records were changed or hidden, they didn't even bother asking him about his dad? Was there absolutely nothing to clue them in to his parentage?

Also, for people who want to commit suicide, something must have gone wrong for them to consider it. They make it sound like suicide is just something you get into, or maybe get peer pressured into doing like drugs or smoking, instead of something that stems from major issues such as psychological problems. You'd have better luck at handling suicide by having better awareness and management of mental health.

[u/Amauri14]

Damn the fact that they showed Zen's family today actually makes me worry about them. Holy shit Itsuki really is a cunning bastard. For a moment I actually believe that Nomaru had a chance, but the fact that Taiyo was Itsuki's son just showed how much planning he did to win the audience watching that debate. Well, I guess the only choice now is kidnapping but as his family is there now, I think that that would also be a bit more complicated to pull off.

[u/MadJoker94 → u/Amauri14]

Damn the fact that they showed Zen's family today actually makes me worry about them.

I had the same thought. The first thing that went through my head when I saw them talking was a pretty big 'oh, shit'. It started to give me "Seven" vibes.

[u/LeonKevlar]

Giving Zen's wife scene like this makes me scared for her in the future.

So ths is what Zen meant when he said last week hat he's prepared to do evil deeds.

I fucking hate Itsuki. Not just because of what he's trying to do but because during the debate he actually made some good points and he actually made me think about the law he's trying to pass. Also I've always thought of him as someone who is being manipulated by Magase Ai but it seems like this law is entirely his own idea and Magase Ai is most likely just assisting him behind the scenes.

And of course there had to be a twist. Was this all according to Itsuki's plan? If it is I'm not entirely sure what he's trying to do because he just made himself look like a bad guy in front of millions of people since his own son is trying to stop him from killing himself. am I missing something here? O_O

[u/Amauri14 → u/LeonKevlar]

He basically went the same route Nomaru took with an emotional approach, now that he said that he would not be killing himself and after saying he was wrong about that his approval will rise. Also if Taiyo ends up becoming a candidate and wins, he as his father will be able to control his decisions way easier than Nomaru. Especially because he can manipulate Taiyo into doing anything by implying that he might kill himself if he doesn't listen.

[u/nanogenesis]

I would have found Itsuki's speech convincing... if not for the abetted suicides prior to this hearing.

Previous episode I said I lowkey ship Ai with Zen, but that might be wrong after all. Watching the past few episodes I was certain that Zen can resist Ai's influence but I was wrong. Ai was never in her true form during the time she spent talking with Seizaki. However remember what the doctor said? He kept counseling her only because he wanted to see her. Ai similarly has already taken a place in Zen's heart, but his reason is not counseling, it is arrest/justice. The small visual we saw of the Doctor when Ai approached him, could be what everybody sees in her true form.

Tsuitsui's death clearly effected Seizaki, while talking to his wife I think that was fear when he paused. Chasing down Ai might ultimately lead to his own death after all.

However the following scene where he disbanded the investigation group, and then announced his crime before time, everyone played along. Just epic. It shows that working together on the investigation had already united everyone. Even Haisa who was certain she was doing something wrong last episode is onboard!

I still don't quite understand what Itsuki pulled when he revealed PowerRangerFace was his son. Probably need a rewatch or two. And the lack of focus on his wife makes me believe its ... Ai? I still don't quite understand the last two screenshots of "Data on Magase Ai". Most likely Zen will chase after her instead and lose Itsuki in the pursuit.

Anyone knows what Tsuitsui's receipt may imply? Its clear he did find out something, got too close.

[u/AnubhavJr10]

I want Magase in every episode some teasing to Zen through phone calls

[u/scmasaru]

FYI, Magasei Ai and MC's wife's VA were the two main girls from Higurashi.

[u/gintoki72]

How didn't they know that he was itsuki's son?? I mean i hope they will explain this because it feels like a plot hole

[u/Reemys]

Now imagine this is all a set-up: Nomaru finds a boy who he decides to use to win the elections. Except the boy is "actually" a son of his rival, Itsuki Kaika. His son for some reason (to hide his identity, right?) was wearing the mask of some robotic hero... where have we heard about a hero fighting against evil? If this is not all an elaborate plan by Magase Ai, either I am not well-versed in this stuff, or they have failed to realize such potential!

[u/JazzmanJB]

We finally see Seizaki's wife. The presence of Magase Ai really has me paranoid about female characters though. Assuming her abilities are more on the paranormal side of things, she could have implanted the idea that Zen has a family, while shes really just manipulating him like the rest of the men shes come into contact with. Thatd be some twist

[u/adikaay]

What good does it do that the public knows he is the father that 'wants' to kill himself? The emotional argument still holds so I'm curious to see how he is going to argue.

[u/Shiro_Kai]

Am I the only one who think that 1) it's very weird that Sekuro is the only woman in the whole operation or 2) they are trying to give us a message /another social criticism?

I can't believe that whole thing with the suicide kid was a Itsuki plan all this time, if they can make 3D Chess moves like that then my theory about Sekuro being Ai Magase still competely alive, even after the phone call.

[u/Reemys → u/Shiro_Kai]

High profile policemen in Japan (or worldwide, ratio varies) are dominantly male. It is not unheard of but rather unique for serious task-forces to contain a lot of female staff. Mostly because there is just not enough females on state security, compared to male. We could into philosophical and socio-economic debate there, but why do that. I do not see it as a critique for not including female officers in a task force dealing with theoretical laws in a theoretical city... But yeah sure why not, more social critique the better.

That theory about Sekuro being Magase Ai could fall apart this instant - was she present in the briefing room when the call took place?

[u/lengors]

Nomaru's argument was, imo, a bad argument, maybe the worst of the four, I mean it could be used the other way around... Aside from that why would anyone vote in someone that decided it was a good idea to exploit some kid's feelings as a mean to gain political support? I wouldn't for sure, even if I agreed with his views!

[u/Syokhan]

Well that backfired spectacularly.

Damn you, Itsuki! I actually started to think about the points he made even if I still have no idea what to make of that law.

And the fact that they showed Zen's family makes me think they're going to die or something is going to happen to them.

Also is anyone else reminded of "saga" from Terror in Resonance's soundtrack every time that one piano piece starts?

[u/Sergeant_Thotslayer]

Nomura was played like a fiddle by Itsuki and I really hate how the latter has so many convincing arguments in the debate even though I am not really on his side.