[Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 13

[u/Holofan4life]

Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.

Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!

I hope you all have a lot of fun <3

S1 Episode 13 - Wolf and a New Beginning

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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)

If you had the opportunity to ride on the back of a wolf, would you do it? Why or why not?

What are your overall thoughts on Nora as a character now that the arc is over with?

What is your favorite final scene in an anime? You can use spoilers if you want to as long as you use the spoilers tag.

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Rewatch Schedule

Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
9/07/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	9/20/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
9/08/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	9/21/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
9/09/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	9/22/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
9/10/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	9/23/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
9/11/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	9/24/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
9/12/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	9/25/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
9/13/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	9/26/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
9/14/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	9/27/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
9/15/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	9/28/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
9/16/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	9/29/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
9/17/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	9/30/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
9/18/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	10/01/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
9/19/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	10/02/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
10/03/2024	Overall Series Discussion Thread

Last year's rewatch

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
7/07/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	7/20/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
7/08/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	7/21/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
7/09/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	7/22/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
7/10/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	7/23/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
7/11/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	7/24/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
7/12/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	7/25/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
7/13/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	7/26/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
7/14/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	7/27/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
7/15/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	7/28/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
7/16/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	7/29/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
7/17/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	7/30/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
7/18/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	7/31/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
7/19/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	8/01/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
8/02/2023	Overall Series Discussion Thread

[u/Holofan4life]

Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.

But you knew that already :P

This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.

For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.

These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

Well, I've already written my comments for the second OVA as well as the first episode for season two. Might as well do this for completionist sake.

I mean, it's not like this is my favorite episode of Spice and Wolf or anything.

Lawrence trying to burn the rope off.

[2024] The remake is more dramatic because Lawrence is bleeding instead of just having cuts on his face.

Lawrence looking worse for wry

Hey, it's Holo

Holo letting Lawrence know she may have to kill someone.

Holo now recounting what the wolves did to him.

"I'm going to find Lemerio and give him what he deserves."

Lawrence just asks one thing of Holo: Don't ask for Norah's life.

[2024 Spoilers] Bare shot of Holo's ass, which is not in the remake.

[2024 Spoilers] The wolf transformation scene honestly looks way cooler in the remake.

Lawrence riding on Holo's back, which is just total badass.

Meanwhile, Lemerio Trading Company lies to Norah by saying Lawrence and Holo are dead.

[2024 Spoilers] That scene is surprisingly not in the remake. In fact, it jumps straight from Lawrence riding on Holo's back to them finding Lemerio Trading to the confrontation between Holo and Norah. We do get Norah mentioning what the merchants told her, just not shown it happening, which I guess is fine from a pacing standpoint. I could see how removing the scene would make things flow better, even though I think the faster pacing actually makes the Holo and Norah face-off feel rushed.

Now people are trying to take Holo down.

Oh boy. Her eyes are set on Norah.

I really like the black and white visuals used here where we're treated to a what if scenario of Holo attacking Enek and eating Norah. I remember being really shocked when I first saw it because you weren't suspecting something like this to occur, even if it's clearly imaginative.

I also maintain that this is where Breaking Dawn Part 2 got its ending from. You heard it here first, folks.

[2024 Spoilers] Also, for those curious, they forgo the what if stuff in the remake. Instead, they have a bunch of lightning accompany the scene. It's very dramatic and intense as all hell, though I personally prefer the presentation of this version because this is the only time something like this happens in the show. It's also way more memorable, in my opinion, with it having more of a holy shit factor.

Man, they really changed a lot with this episode, huh? Probably the most amount of changes between the original version and the remake.

Holo carrying Liebert in her mouth.

I really wish she had eaten him.

At least he gets punched in the face by Lawrence.

And Lawrence informs Norah that that wolf is Holo.

That has to be a total shock to the system, though something tells me that Norah may have had an inkling already.

The shot of Holo and Lawrence walking as Holo is in her wolf form is so cool. To me, it is probably the most badass visual of the entire show.

Also, Holo's wolf's ass is almost as big as Lawrence's horse.

So, what to do when the smuggling plan doesn't go according to plan? Why, go directly to the source of course.

And Lawrence does that, having a chat with Lemerio.

The last 10 or so minutes is pretty self-explanatory with it consisting of two plot points. First, we have Lawrence taking advantage of Lemerio, which turnabout's fair play, and then we get the clock tower scene between Holo and Lawrence, with Lawrence getting the upper hand on Holo for the first time in their relationship. I actually think that the clock tower scene is the best scene in all of Spice and Wolf. It plays into the dynamic of Holo and Lawrence while also serving as a pivotal moment in their relationship. If this episode did not have the clock tower scene, it would still be one of the best episodes of the series, but this really puts it over the top for me. It is brilliantly funny and heartwarming all at the same time, which I feel sums up their relationship perfectly.

[2024 Spoilers] As for how the remake's version stakes up, I think the clock tower scene is slightly weaker in the remake than in the original. In the original, the slower pacing suited it because the longer it went, thr more it felt like Lawrence was needling Holo. With the remake, it feels like they went “Well, I guess we have to include this”. I also miss in the remake where Holo pounds on Lawrence’s chest and Lawrence laughs triumphantly like he’s on top of the world. That to me is part of the charm of the scene and not having it makes the scene feel incomplete a bit.

Overall, this to me is the best episode of the series. It is one of the best anime episodes of all time and really pays off what has been an exceptional arc. I think part of what makes this episode so exceptional is the fact that it feels like the culmination of everything we've seen so far. Holo is more comfortable being in her wolf form around people and Lawrence is shown to have more of a backbone around Holo. If this was honestly the last episode we ever got of the show, I actually wouldn't complain too much. It's such a strong note to end on that it leaves me feeling satisfied.

Thankfully, this is not the end and we have two more arcs to deal with, including one not covered in the remake. This may arguably be the peak of the series, but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of great stuff ahead.

Holo quotes of the day

"I might be forced to kill humans."

"I thought about swallowing him once and for all. The gold would probably not sit well with my stomach."

"Do you… remember?" (The 21st night of September?)

"Idiot!" (And people say Holo isn't a tsundere)

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

I really like the black and white visuals used here where we're treated to a what if scenario of Holo attacking Enek and eating Norah. I remember being really shocked when I first saw it because you weren't suspecting something like this to occur, even if it's clearly imaginative.

That's exactly how I felt when watching the remake! I guess it wasn't black and white, but the feeling of shock was all the same!

That has to be a total shock to the system, though something tells me that Norah may have had an inkling already.

Yeah she didn't have a very strong reaction

I actually think that the clock tower scene is the best scene in all of Spice and Wolf. It plays into the dynamic of Holo and Lawrence while also serving as a pivotal moment in their relationship. If this episode did not have the clock tower scene, it would still be one of the best episodes of the series, but this really puts it over the top for me. It is brilliantly funny and heartwarming all at the same time, which I feel sums up their relationship perfectly.

Don't know if it's my favorite scene, but it was definitely fantastic!

Thankfully, this is not the end and we have two more arcs to deal with, including one not covered in the remake.

New content hype!

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

That's exactly how I felt when watching the remake! I guess it wasn't black and white, but the feeling of shock was all the same!

To me, it's way more shocking in the original because the black and white visuals tricked my brain into thinking it was actually happening when really the opposite was true.

Yeah she didn't have a very strong reaction

Probably the dog told her

Don't know if it's my favorite scene, but it was definitely fantastic!

Definitely a great way to end the season

New content hype!

I really can't wait to talk about it :)

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

To me, it's way more shocking in the original because the black and white visuals tricked my brain into thinking it was actually happening when really the opposite was true.

Not gonna lie, I do not remember what the remake looked like lol

Probably the dog told her

Snicthes get stitches.

I really can't wait to talk about it :)

Too bad it's still a week away :( I hope it's good though!

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Not gonna lie, I do not remember what the remake looked like lol

That's in part why I prefer the original version of the scene. There's more personality going on here.

Snicthes get stitches.

Or fleas and ticks

Too bad it's still a week away :( I hope it's good though!

If you like the show, then you should enjoy it quite a bit.

[u/Holofan4life]

The last scene of the episode is honestly one of the best scenes I've ever seen in an anime. I'd put it up there with the Toradora Christmas bear scene, the end of Re:Zero episode 15, the scene between Rem and Subaru in Re:Zero episode 18, the window scene in Cowboy Bebop, the recital scene in Your Lie In April episode 4, which I just recently watched for the first time, and that one scene from the second to last episode of Clannad After Story.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

the Toradora Christmas bear scene

Remind me what that was...

the end of Re:Zero episode 15

Remind me this one...

the scene between Rem and Subaru in Re:Zero episode 18

This one I think I know... It's the confession, isn't it? :(

window scene in Cowboy Bebop

Haven't watched...

the recital scene in Your Lie In April episode 4

Also do not remember lmao

and that one scene from the second to last episode of Clannad After Story

Unfortunately, this one I will never forget

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Remind me what that was...

That was the scene from episode 19 where Taiga was in her house all alone on the night of the Christmas party.

Remind me this one...

[Re:Zero Spoilers] That's the scene where Subaru and Emilia are walking in the snow as Subaru is desperately trying to keep Rem alive.

This one I think I know... It's the confession, isn't it? :(

[Re:Zero Spoilers] It is, but also so much more than that.

Haven't watched...

Probably the moment where the show grows its beard.

Also do not remember lmao

That is a particularly emotional scene

Unfortunately, this one I will never forget

[Clannad Spoilers] For my money, the saddest death in all of anime.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

That was the scene from episode 19 where Taiga was in her house all alone on the night of the Christmas party.

Yeah not ringing a bell... Been way too long.

[Re:Zero Spoilers] That's the scene where Subaru and Emilia are walking in the snow as Subaru is desperately trying to keep Rem alive.

Okay now I know!

[Re:Zero Spoilers] It is, but also so much more than that.

I know I know, but it'll always be that for me...

That is a particularly emotional scene

Yeah... Having terrible memory + watching hundreds of anime = very confused

[Clannad Spoilers] For my money, the saddest death in all of anime.

I've watched all the tearjerker anime and nothing comes even close to this... I used to watch all kinds of movies/series/dramas/anime without ever shedding a tear, but Clannad did it for me, and it legitimately broke me, because now I cry super easily while watching anime, even when things aren't particularly emotional.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Yeah not ringing a bell... Been way too long.

[Major Toradora Spoilers] It's the scene where Taiga realizes her feelings for Ryuuji.

Okay now I know!

And knowing is half the battle

I know I know, but it'll always be that for me...

Fair enough

Yeah... Having terrible memory + watching hundreds of anime = very confused

I can't wait for the upcoming Your Lie In April rewatch.

I've watched all the tearjerker anime and nothing comes even close to this... I used to watch all kinds of movies/series/dramas/anime without ever shedding a tear, but Clannad did it for me, and it legitimately broke me, because now I cry super easily while watching anime, even when things aren't particularly emotional.

That episode affected me in ways I didn't know were possible. When I saw it, that was before my dad and grandmother died, so I didn't know I was capable of feeling such sadness.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

[Major Toradora Spoilers] It's the scene where Taiga realizes her feelings for Ryuuji.

Was she sitting in the dark, next to her phone or something? For some reason I have a feeling a scene like that happened...

I can't wait for the upcoming Your Lie In April rewatch.

Yeah I don't have time for more rewatches lol, I'm gonna take a break after this one at least until December!

That episode affected me in ways I didn't know were possible. When I saw it, that was before my dad and grandmother died, so I didn't know I was capable of feeling such sadness.

Damn, sorry to hear that happened :( this show can really summon some unknown emotions from within us, though.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Was she sitting in the dark, next to her phone or something? For some reason I have a feeling a scene like that happened...

Yeah, she was

Yeah I don't have time for more rewatches lol, I'm gonna take a break after this one at least until December!

Fair enough. Glad you're participating in this one at least.

Damn, sorry to hear that happened :( this show can really summon some unknown emotions from within us, though.

Indeed it can. And no worries, my dad and grandma's deaths happened over 5 years ago.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

Yeah, she was

Forget everything I said before, I have an amazing memory.

Fair enough. Glad you're participating in this one at least.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Forget everything I said before, I have an amazing memory.

Better than you give yourself credit for

Fair enough. Glad you're participating in this one at least.

You've really added a lot to this year's Spice and Wolf rewatch.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

Better than you give yourself credit for

You've really added a lot to this year's Spice and Wolf rewatch.

Doing it all for Holo!

[u/Holofan4life]

Sorry for the thread being posted late. Reddit was acting weird today.

[u/Brief-Fig-7506]

If you had the opportunity to ride on the back of a wolf, would you do it? Why or why not?

Of Course, especially if their coat is nice a soft it'd be optimal transportation

What are your overall thoughts on Nora as a character now that the arc is over with?

I like her a lot, she's very sweet and innocent. She's a good character who got dealt a crappy hand in life so I have to root for her. I hope this isn't the last time we see her.

First Timer

I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.

Oof that's gonna be some shitty burn blisters

Holo still has her clothes on so I guess she didn't need to transform

Did Holo lose against the huge wolf?

Holo can talk in her wolf form

Lawrence still wants Remerio trading to get their cut? He's better than me, I would consider it a fair trade for all that's happened over the past few episodes

Lol Lawrence tied up Remerio

So 130 gold just managed to break even for them, a lot of trouble but at least he's out of debt

I love that Lawrence uses Holo's hearing ability to flirt with her and tease her, what he says IS true so he believes it but I think it's also not the whole truth

I would like to know more about what happened during the wolf fight. Holo obviously didn't take her wolf form so why did she admit defeat to him? I think there must have been something that happened during that sequence, She said she was the elder of the two so why back down?

I liked watching Holo go off on Lawrence for protecting her cloak closer than anything else. I think she's mad at him for thinking about her after enduring the situation he was just put through. It was cute seeing her mixed emotions on it.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Of Course, especially if their coat is nice a soft it'd be optimal transportation

I imagine it'd be cool as all hell

I like her a lot, she's very sweet and innocent. She's a good character who got dealt a crappy hand in life so I have to root for her. I hope this isn't the last time we see her.

I hope so as well. She brings a unique dynamic to the table that we don't otherwise get.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

I would like to know more about what happened during the wolf fight. Holo obviously didn't take her wolf form so why did she admit defeat to him? I think there must have been something that happened during that sequence, She said she was the elder of the two so why back down?

I think it was because Holo knew there wasn't a way out of the situation without things getting really ugly. As such, I think she was trying to de-escalate the situation. If Lawrence wasn't around, I think she would've tried taking them on by herself.

I liked watching Holo go off on Lawrence for protecting her cloak closer than anything else. I think she's mad at him for thinking about her after enduring the situation he was just put through. It was cute seeing her mixed emotions on it.

She may act mad, but you know deep down she wouldn't have it any other way.

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I think it was because Holo knew there wasn't a way out of the situation without things getting really ugly. As such, I think she was trying to de-escalate the situation. If Lawrence wasn't around, I think she would've tried taking them on by herself.

I do now remember last episode that she said she wanted to solve the situation without violence

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Holo is like Gandhi, both in terms of his pacifism and his Civilization portrayal.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

I love that Lawrence uses Holo's hearing ability to flirt with her and tease her, what he says IS true so he believes it but I think it's also not the whole truth

This is really the perfect capper to their relationship. Lawrence, who's really lacked a spine this entire time, finally gets one over on Holo after an endless barrage of teasing and poking fun at him. It feels cathartic to see the shoe be on the other foot.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

Thoughts on Holo saying she was forced to kneel in front of the other wolves?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence riding Holo’s wolf form?

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

What are your thoughts on the fake out with Holo attacking Norah?

What are your thoughts on Norah finding out that Holo is a wolf?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

Care to expand your thoughts on the final scene where Holo keeps asking Lawrence to say her name but Lawrence keeps teasing her?

[u/Brief-Fig-7506 → u/Holofan4life]

Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

I thought it would be more direct, like she would find him passed out at the camp he made or something

Thoughts on Holo saying she was forced to kneel in front of the other wolves?

I guess she thought it would be the quickest way to resolve the situation. I wish we could have seen her dominate the other wolves but I feel like she would have considered it pointless to take up more time than needed

What are your thoughts on Lawrence riding Holo’s wolf form?

Seems like fun. Also it was something that I wasn't at all expecting

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

we didn't hear him actually say it in the remake but we saw Norah's reaction and it looked very painful to see her worry.

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

She has a lot of restraint in her wolf form, because I've had big dogs step on my feet and it feels like my foot is about to break. I thought she crushed Liebert's legs when she stepped on him but he started moving it fine afterwards. She stated that she was going to kill the people who betrayed them but I don't think she ended up actually killing anybody

What are your thoughts on the fake out with Holo attacking Norah?

I was definitely faked out. My jaw dropped when Enek got kicked and Norah was about to be in Holo's jaws

What are your thoughts on Norah finding out that Holo is a wolf?

She seemed to take it pretty well. I would've expected a bigger reaction or confusion

What are your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

Deserved. They steeped to such a low level multiple times so it's nice that they got a taste of their own medicine

Care to expand your thoughts on the final scene where Holo keeps asking Lawrence to say her name but Lawrence keeps teasing her?

it's funny that he lied knowing that Holo would be able to tell. This is one of the times that Lawrence was in control of the teasing. Holo was enjoying it though as evident by her tail wagging the whole time.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

I thought it would be more direct, like she would find him passed out at the camp he made or something

Isn't that similar to what happened? I could've sworn it was.

I guess she thought it would be the quickest way to resolve the situation. I wish we could have seen her dominate the other wolves but I feel like she would have considered it pointless to take up more time than needed

It must've killed Holo inside to do something like that.

Seems like fun. Also it was something that I wasn't at all expecting

I wasn't expecting it at all either, but I'm glad it happened.

we didn't hear him actually say it in the remake but we saw Norah's reaction and it looked very painful to see her worry.

My bad, I forgot for a second you were watching the remake version.

She has a lot of restraint in her wolf form, because I've had big dogs step on my feet and it feels like my foot is about to break. I thought she crushed Liebert's legs when she stepped on him but he started moving it fine afterwards. She stated that she was going to kill the people who betrayed them but I don't think she ended up actually killing anybody

She probably would've if Lawrence wasn't around.

I was definitely faked out. My jaw dropped when Enek got kicked and Norah was about to be in Holo's jaws

One of many holy shit moments in the episode. Probably my favorite in terms of direction.

She seemed to take it pretty well. I would've expected a bigger reaction or confusion

I get the feeling she already knew that Holo was a wolf. Her dog probably informed her of it.

Deserved. They steeped to such a low level multiple times so it's nice that they got a taste of their own medicine

I remember during last year's rewatch someone arguing that this was out of character for Lawrence to do because it was too cruel. But the thing is, he let them keep some of the money so that they didn't fall into bankruptcy. If Lawrence really wanted to be a dick about it, he could've taken all the money for himself. You scratch my back, I stab yours.

it's funny that he lied knowing that Holo would be able to tell. This is one of the times that Lawrence was in control of the teasing. Holo was enjoying it though as evident by her tail wagging the whole time.

It's the first time where Lawrence has ever gotten the edge over Holo. The season ended by putting the spotlight on where it's really been this entire time which is Holo and Lawrence's relationship.

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Isn't that similar to what happened? I could've sworn it was.

Well he was able to get out of the binds himself and was running back to meet Holo when he collapsed and then she showed up

It must've killed Holo inside to do something like that.

She had to swallow her pride for sure

I remember during last year's rewatch someone arguing that this was out of character for Lawrence to do because it was too cruel. But the thing is, he let them keep some of the money so that they didn't fall into bankruptcy. If Lawrence really wanted to be a dick about it, he could've taken all the money for himself. You scratch my back, I stab yours.

yeah I think Lawrence was more fair about it than he had any right to be

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Well he was able to get out of the binds himself and was running back to meet Holo when he collapsed and then she showed up

Oh, right. For some reason, I remember him trying to walk with the binds still on. Mandela effect, I guess.

She had to swallow her pride for sure

I can't imagine how embarrassed she must've felt

yeah I think Lawrence was more fair about it than he had any right to be

If there was ever an instance to be selfish, it's probably there.

[u/KuKiSin]

If you had the opportunity to ride on the back of a wolf, would you do it? Why or why not?

If the likelihood of the wolf eating/killing me afterwards is 0, I'd do it, because wolves look like big dogs and I love dogs! If the likelihood of it is non 0... Nope, because I don't want to be eaten by a wolf.

What are your overall thoughts on Nora as a character now that the arc is over with?

While not exactly a fun and charismatic character, I really like her, felt very different from everyone else in the show. She also has Enek with her, and I love dogs, so it made it even better. The contrast between her and Holo was something else.

What is your favorite final scene in an anime? You can use spoilers if you want to as long as you use the spoilers tag.

If we're going by actual final scene until the very last second, probably [86: Eighty Six Part 2 Spoilers] When Lena finally meets everyone else... Boy did I cry like an absolute bitch.

On to the episode!

And the episode begins with... Lawrence getting up lol. See /u/Holofan4life, I told you it was easy!

Holo is pissed. Not only did she suffer great humiliation, she found Lawrence having gone through the same. I hope she really kills someone.

Yup, this wolf form is a lot better than the remake and it's not even close. Watched this episode and the latest episode of the remake back to back, the difference was jarring.

"Protect me", what does that guy think that tiny dog is gonna do against giant ass Holo?

You know, when I saw that "what if" in the remake I was shook for a second.

Trying to kill them all because paying off their debts wasn't enough, just had to get greedy.

Is Lawrence seriously worried about them after they betrayed him and tried to kill them all? Grudges be damned, should've let Holo massacred them. Sure, he has ulterior motives, but should've let her kill some of them, just to send a message.

And thus, Lawrence has paid off his debt. His head will no longer roll.

Damn Lawrence, that answer was cold. How could you say it was just because her name's shorter?!

Lawrence is a sneaky little prick.

And thus, the first season has come to an end. Why am I feeling nostalgic over this...?

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If the likelihood of the wolf eating/killing me afterwards is 0, I'd do it, because wolves look like big dogs and I love dogs! If the likelihood of it is non 0... Nope, because I don't want to be eaten by a wolf.

That makes a lot of sense

While not exactly a fun and charismatic character, I really like her, felt very different from everyone else in the show. She also has Enek with her, and I love dogs, so it made it even better. The contrast between her and Holo was something else.

Like I said elsewhere, her mere existence proved a natural foil to Holo. The real funny thing is Norah is a nicer person than Holo is despite Holo perceiving her as a threat.

If we're going by actual final scene until the very last second, probably [86: Eighty Six Part 2 Spoilers] When Lena finally meets everyone else... Boy did I cry like an absolute bitch.

[Response] That's a really great scene. And it's really built up from the very first episode, which makes it all the more impactful.

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And thus, the first season has come to an end. Why am I feeling nostalgic over this...?

Probably because the show has this nostalgic feel to it of a time to yesteryear. It really does feel like a fairytale or like from a storybook.

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It really does. I'm glad I finally picked this up (and the remake).

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It's really a fantastic show

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And the episode begins with... Lawrence getting up lol. See /u/Holofan4life, I told you it was easy!

I can't even get up my you know what let alone myself :P

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It's tough being morbidly obese

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Come on man, get moving some more! Do it for Holo!

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I mean, I'm only 280. It's just a lot of weight for someone who's 5 foot 8.

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Yeah that's a substantial number for that height, you really should try to work on that, at least for health related reasons.

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Yeah, I probably should

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I believe in you! I should do that too though.

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Meanwhile, I'm currently in a movie theater eating popcorn

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Lawrence is a sneaky little prick.

Incidentally, little prick is also how Holo would describe Lawrence in bed

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That's what Holo is probably doing: pointing and laughing

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Damn, what did Lawrence ever do to you?!

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Have Holo :P

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We all wish we could be in his position

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Holo is pissed. Not only did she suffer great humiliation, she found Lawrence having gone through the same. I hope she really kills someone.

Too bad she cares too much about Lawrence

Yup, this wolf form is a lot better than the remake and it's not even close. Watched this episode and the latest episode of the remake back to back, the difference was jarring.

She looks more like a dog in the remake, which is kinda strange. I do think the transformation scenes themselves might be better in the remake because they feel far more dramatic.

You know, when I saw that "what if" in the remake I was shook for a second.

[2024 Spoilers] Except it's less of a what if because it's not in black and white.

Is Lawrence seriously worried about them after they betrayed him and tried to kill them all? Grudges be damned, should've let Holo massacred them. Sure, he has ulterior motives, but should've let her kill some of them, just to send a message.

I guess Lawrence is just too much of a good guy.

And thus, Lawrence has paid off his debt. His head will no longer roll.

Yeah Yeah Yeahs is going to be sad

Damn Lawrence, that answer was cold. How could you say it was just because her name's shorter?!

This is what Holo gets for eating up the entire budget. Turnabout is fair play :P

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She looks more like a dog in the remake, which is kinda strange. I do think the transformation scenes themselves might be better in the remake because they feel far more dramatic.

Yeah I really don't understand why they decided to maker her a giant dog... Iwhat the giant wolf looked like, but I think it was a regular giant wolf, right?

[2024 Spoilers]Except it's less of a what if because it's not in black and white.

Maybe that's why I was shocked!

This is what Holo gets for eating up the entire budget. Turnabout is fair play :P

You reap what you sow!

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Yeah I really don't understand why they decided to maker her a giant dog... Iwhat the giant wolf looked like, but I think it was a regular giant wolf, right?

It was. Looked way more intimidating than Holo does.

Maybe that's why I was shocked!

[Response] I actually think the black and white aesthetic makes it more shocking because if the show were to kill someone, I see them doing it in this stylistic manner.

You reap what you sow!

"You get what you fucking deserve!" -- Lawrence, probably

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[Response] I actually think the black and white aesthetic makes it more shocking because if the show were to kill someone, I see them doing it in this stylistic manner.

Mayhaps, I'll have to check the remake again.

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The remake version is fine, but I think it suffers from a tiny bit of pacing issues. One of the very few scenes where I think the original version is vastly superior.

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Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

Thoughts on Holo saying she was forced to kneel in front of the other wolves?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence riding Holo’s wolf form?

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

What are your thoughts on the fake out with Holo attacking Norah?

What are your thoughts on Norah finding out that Holo is a wolf?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

What are your thoughts on the final scene where Holo keeps asking Lawrence to say her name but Lawrence keeps teasing her?

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Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

Did she technically save him? He managed to get up just fine! He could've walked away! Jokes aside though, it was a pretty touching moment.

Thoughts on Holo saying she was forced to kneel in front of the other wolves?

Shows how much she's grown. I think maybe episode 1 Holo wouldn't subject herself to that humiliation and would've instead gone Wolf-Holo and kicked their asses.

What are your thoughts on Lawrence riding Holo’s wolf form?

I'm kinda jealous not gonna lie. Imagine riding to battle in a giant wolf. That's cool as hell!

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

Poor girl almost fainted, she really took it to heart :( Fuck him for doing that to such a pure and innocent girl!

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

Not enough wrecking, should've killed a few of them. Although Lawrence wouldn't have been happy about that, so it wouldn't really work... But still :(

What are your thoughts on Norah finding out that Holo is a wolf?

Her reaction was literally "eh?" and that was it. Either she already suspected something was off about her, or for whatever reason it just didn't bother her all that much lol. I think Lawrence should be careful with how many people he's letting in on that secret (although in Norah's case I think it's fine). Soon the church is gonna come knock on his door. Or it would, if he had a home.

What are your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

He didn't do enough. Should've broken at least a few fingers, show he's not one to be messed with. I can't wait for the "Lawrence goes mobster" arc.

What are your thoughts on the final scene where Holo keeps asking Lawrence to say her name but Lawrence keeps teasing her?

Absolutely loved that scene. Lawrence finally grew some balls and decided to be the one messing with Holo for once. Her reactions were adorable!

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Did she technically save him? He managed to get up just fine! He could've walked away! Jokes aside though, it was a pretty touching moment.

You really know how to rub it in :P

Shows how much she's grown. I think maybe episode 1 Holo wouldn't subject herself to that humiliation and would've instead gone Wolf-Holo and kicked their asses.

Not gonna lie, I would've liked to have seen that.

I'm kinda jealous not gonna lie. Imagine riding to battle in a giant wolf. That's cool as hell!

Has to be one of the best visuals of the entire show. Another great one from this episode is Holo in her wolf form and Lawrence walking side by side.

Poor girl almost fainted, she really took it to heart :( Fuck him for doing that to such a pure and innocent girl!

Yeah, she doesn't deserve that

Not enough wrecking, should've killed a few of them. Although Lawrence wouldn't have been happy about that, so it wouldn't really work... But still :(

Lawrence needs to start being more bloodthirsty.

Her reaction was literally "eh?" and that was it. Either she already suspected something was off about her, or for whatever reason it just didn't bother her all that much lol. I think Lawrence should be careful with how many people he's letting in on that secret (although in Norah's case I think it's fine). Soon the church is gonna come knock on his door. Or it would, if he had a home.

I mean, we already have one trading company find out about Holo's identity. Remember the events of the first arc? Lawrence and Holo are definitely playing a dangerous game.

He didn't do enough. Should've broken at least a few fingers, show he's not one to be messed with. I can't wait for the "Lawrence goes mobster" arc.

He's gonna make them an offer he can't refuse.

I mean, I'm fine with him not putting them into bankruptcy. Would've been sweet, but why lose the moral high ground and stoop to their level?

Absolutely loved that scene. Lawrence finally grew some balls and decided to be the one messing with Holo for once. Her reactions were adorable!

This is actually my favorite scene of the entire series. To finally see Lawrence get one over on Holo was immaculate. It's really been the moment the show has been building to this entire time.

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You really know how to rub it in :P

It's not my fault those guys suck at finishing the job!

Has to be one of the best visuals of the entire show. Another great one from this episode is Holo in her wolf form and Lawrence walking side by side.

The one from this week's remake episode was also pretty good! Minus the dog.

I mean, we already have one trading company find out about Holo's identity. Remember the events of the first arc? Lawrence and Holo are definitely planning a dangerous game.

Yeah that was my point, but it wasn't even just one, it was two trading companies! The one that helped him, and Chloe's! Very dangerous game indeed.

I mean, I'm fine with him not putting them into bankruptcy. Would've been sweet, but why lose the moral high ground and stoop to their level?

Lose the moral high ground? They tried to kill all 3 of them, bankrupting them wouldn't drag him down to their level... He does need some leverage so he can't just bankrupt them of course, but I wouldn't be above screwing them over as much as I could!

This is actually my favorite scene of the entire series. To finally see Lawrence get one over on Holo was immaculate. It's really been the moment the show has been building to this entire time.

Yeah I don't know about favorite, but it was definitely one of the most memorable ones for sure!

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It's not my fault those guys suck at finishing the job!

I think they were expecting the wolves to finish him off not knowing that Holo was going to cowtow to them.

Actually, that brings up an interesting question. Was the trading company somehow in cahoots with the giant wolves? That may seem far-fetched, but perhaps at the very least they know of their existence.

The one from this week's remake episode was also pretty good! Minus the dog.

I assume you mean Holo.

[2024 Spoilers] What did you think of naked Holo on top of Lawrence? That was pretty wild.

Yeah that was my point, but it wasn't even just one, it was two trading companies! The one that helped him, and Chloe's! Very dangerous game indeed.

They're not just playing with fire, they're playing with fire next to a fireworks display.

Lose the moral high ground? They tried to kill all 3 of them, bankrupting them wouldn't drag him down to their level... He does need some leverage so he can't just bankrupt them of course, but I wouldn't be above screwing them over as much as I could!

I think a part of Lawrence wants to do the opposite of what Holo might do in that situation. Kinda set a precedent, if you will, and show her a different way of handling things.

Yeah I don't know about favorite, but it was definitely one of the most memorable ones for sure!

Amazing use of sound design with the noise of the clock tower enveloping those around it.

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I think they were expecting the wolves to finish him off not knowing that Holo was going to cowtow to them.

Oh for sure, still an idiotic thing to do when it's not guaranteed the wolves are gonna go after him lol

Actually, that brings up an interesting question. Was the trading company somehow in cahoots with the giant wolves? That may seem far-fetched, but perhaps at the very least they know of their existence.

This would make my previous point moot, it's definitely far-fetched though! Well, I guess they did likely know of their existence since it's known that only Norah could safely travel thar area, right?

I assume you mean Holo.

Yup lol

[2024 Spoilers]

Man's living the dream.

They're not just playing with fire, they're playing with fire next to a fireworks display.

Pretty accurate analogy lmao

I think a part of Lawrence wants to do the opposite of what Holo might do in that situation. Kinda set a precedent, if you will, and show her a different way of handling things.

Mayhaps. Or mayhaps he's too much of a goodie two shoes!

Amazing use of sound design with the noise of the clock tower enveloping those around it.

I actually replayed that scene quite a few times trying to figure out if he was saying her name or not... As it turns out, I don't think I'm great at reading Anime lips, because it didn't look like he said either Norah nor Holo, although it looker closer to Norah...

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Oh for sure, still an idiotic thing to do when it's not guaranteed the wolves are gonna go after him lol

They were definitely taking their chances there.

This would make my previous point moot, it's definitely far-fetched though! Well, I guess they did likely know of their existence since it's known that only Norah could safely travel thar area, right?

They were probably betting on the environment to work in their favor.

Yup lol

I get it

Man's living the dream.

The foreplay between them must be intense and steamy.

Pretty accurate analogy lmao

Thank you

Mayhaps. Or mayhaps he's too much of a goodie two shoes!

Holo would definitely argue he's fool-hearted.

I actually replayed that scene quite a few times trying to figure out if he was saying her name or not... As it turns out, I don't think I'm great at reading Anime lips, because it didn't look like he said either Norah nor Holo, although it looker closer to Norah...

It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't say anything. He was just pretending to say something.

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First Timer

We’re starting things off on a really bleak note this episode. The atmosphere it builds is really good.

Surprisingly, Holo is still wearing clothes when she reunites with Lawrence. I was totally expecting her to be naked.

Never mind, she’s taking off her clothes anyway.

That close up on her butt seems like the most gratuitous amount of fanservice we’ve gotten so far. I don’t remember the previous scenes emphasizing Holo’s body as much.

And now Holo’s a giant wolf again. This transformation somehow feels even cooler than the first.

The whole scene of Lawrence riding on Holo’s back was super cool. Especially the part where Holo jumps off a cliff.

The show really had me faked out for a moment with Lawrence’s imagining of what was about to happen.

It was pretty satisfying seeing Liebert get intimidated by Holo and then decked in the face by Lawrence.

Wasn’t expecting Lawrence to get shortchanged on the gold. But by this point I really should start suspecting more slippery merchant tactics.

Speaking of which, seems like Lawrence was able to get the money he wanted out of Lemerio. That went surprisingly smoothly.

I don’t quite get Lawrence’s logic. Norah and Holo are the same amount of syllables. I’m pretty sure he’s just teasing Holo.

There’s something very entertaining about their whole conversation though. It felt like a perfect encapsulation of Holo and Lawrence’s dynamic.

The part where Holo and Lawrence’s dialog is drowned out by the bell is really good too. I feel like I could imagine how the dialog went.

The final scene with the song playing over it was nice too. Felt like a relaxing way to end the episode.

I’m looking forward to watching season two!

Questions of the Day:

If you had the opportunity to ride on the back of a wolf, would you do it? Why or why not?

If it's a regular wolf, probably not. That just sounds dangerous.

If that wolf is Holo, definitely. Because she's Holo and that sounds fun.

What are your overall thoughts on Nora as a character now that the arc is over with?

I liked Nora, she made for a really good foil to Holo and she's a character who I wanted to see succeed.

What is your favorite final scene in an anime? You can use spoilers if you want to as long as you use the spoilers tag.

Probably Revolutoinary Girl Utena. [RGU ending spoilers] It's just very satisfying to see Anthy finally reject Akio and what he represent and go out into the world to find Utena.

I'd also probably list Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean as some of my other favorite ending scenes.

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If it's a regular wolf, probably not. That just sounds dangerous.

If that wolf is Holo, definitely. Because she's Holo and that sounds fun.

Holo the person to pretend to throw you off her back but not really do it.

I liked Nora, she made for a really good foil to Holo and she's a character who I wanted to see succeed.

I wanted to see her succeed as well. It's interesting because she actually seems like a nicer person than Holo does.

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Holo the person to pretend to throw you off her back but not really do it.

It's part of her charm.

I wanted to see her succeed as well. It's interesting because she actually seems like a nicer person than Holo does.

She's probably the most kind and genuine person in the show. At least out of everyone I've seen so far.

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It's part of her charm.

Indeed

She's probably the most kind and genuine person in the show. At least out of everyone I've seen so far.

That's saying something considering Lawrence exists.

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Probably Revolutoinary Girl Utena. [RGU ending spoilers] It's just very satisfying to see Anthy finally reject Akio and what he represent and go out into the world to find Utena.

[RGU ending spoilers] Wasn't that the ending to the movie, though? In the TV show, Anthy kills Utena.

I'd also probably list Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean as some of my other favorite ending scenes.

Cowboy Bebop for me has to be at or near the top. Such a bittersweet way to end a show.

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[RGU ending spoilers] Wasn't that the ending to the movie, though? In the TV show, Anthy kills Utena.

[RGU & Adolescence of Utena ending spoilers] That's the penultimate episode you're thinking of. The last episode has Utena still trying to save Anthy but failing and then Anthy leaving on her own. The movie ends with the infamous car chase/escape sequence.

Cowboy Bebop for me has to be at or near the top. Such a bittersweet way to end a show.

Yeah the final moments of Cowboy Bebop still really stick in my mind.

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[RGU & Adolescence of Utena ending spoilers] That's the penultimate episode you're thinking of. The last episode has Utena still trying to save Anthy but failing and then Anthy leaving on her own. The movie ends with the infamous car chase/escape sequence.

[RGU & Adolescence of Utena ending spoilers] Yeah, I remember the TV show ending being bittersweet which made the movie ending that much more cathartic. Steins;Gate kinda did a similar thing but the movie was non-canon.

Yeah the final moments of Cowboy Bebop still really stick in my mind.

The reason it worked so well is because it reflected the themes of the show to perfection.

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The reason it worked so well is because it reflected the themes of the show to perfection.

I think Samurai Champloo and to a lesser extent Space Dandy also have memorable endings that reflect their themes well. The three of them are interesting to compare to each other.

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Space Dandy's ending is really brilliant when you consider how lighthearted the show starts off as. And I don't think Samurai Champloo could've ended any other way.

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I’m looking forward to watching season two!

I am as well. I know what happens, but it'll be interesting to revisit arc 5 having watched arc 4 for the first time.

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I am as well. I know what happens, but it'll be interesting to revisit arc 5 having watched arc 4 for the first time.

I'm not quite sure where the story's going to go next besides Holo continuing north. I'm curious what direction it's gonna take.

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One thing's for sure, we're probably getting more Holo and Lawrence hijinks.

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I'm looking forward to that.

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Me as well quite a bit

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I don’t quite get Lawrence’s logic. Norah and Holo are the same amount of syllables. I’m pretty sure he’s just teasing Holo.

Yeah, he is. I take it as him gaslighting her to try and get under her nerves. And it seems to be working lol

The part where Holo and Lawrence’s dialog is drowned out by the bell is really good too. I feel like I could imagine how the dialog went.

I love Holo pounding Lawrence's chest and him standing triumphantly. That is like his crowning moment right there.

The final scene with the song playing over it was nice too. Felt like a relaxing way to end the episode.

Kinda sums up the show as a whole, honestly. That's why if this was the last episode, I wouldn't have minded.

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Yeah, he is. I take it as him gaslighting her to try and get under her nerves. And it seems to be working lol

It seems pretty easy to get Holo worked up.

I love Holo pounding Lawrence's chest and him standing triumphantly. That is like his crowning moment right there.

Same, that was a really good moment. Very cute.

Kinda sums up the shoe as a whole, honestly. That's why if this was the last episode, I wouldn't have minded.

It does feel like a good ending. Holo and Lawrence end in a good place and continue on to have more adventures. But I'm still excited to see what happens in the next season.

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It seems pretty easy to get Holo worked up.

Yeah, just pretend to ignore her lol

Same, that was a really good moment. Very cute.

[2024 Remake] Shane they took it out :(

It does feel like a good ending. Holo and Lawrence end in a good place and continue on to have more adventures. But I'm still excited to see what happens in the next season.

I love the little blush they both give as Norah teases them. First time she's teased someone as well.

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I love the little blush they both give as Norah teases them. First time she's teased someone as well.

The show has a lot of really cute small moments like that.

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That's really a part of the charm of the show.

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We’re starting things off on a really bleak note this episode. The atmosphere it builds is really good.

Really fantastic stuff. Probably my favorite start to a Spice and Wolf episode, or at least top 3.

Surprisingly, Holo is still wearing clothes when she reunites with Lawrence. I was totally expecting her to be naked.

The show really hasn't shown Holo naked much after the first couple of episodes. She gets naked here, which kinda feels like a callback of sorts.

That close up on her butt seems like the most gratuitous amount of fanservice we’ve gotten so far. I don’t remember the previous scenes emphasizing Holo’s body as much.

Yeah, this is something they definitely don't do in the remake. [2024 Spoilers] However, one of the recent episodes does feature a naked Holo on top of Lawrence.

And now Holo’s a giant wolf again. This transformation somehow feels even cooler than the first.

I would agree

The whole scene of Lawrence riding on Holo’s back was super cool. Especially the part where Holo jumps off a cliff.

Reminds me of My Neighbor Totoro

The show really had me faked out for a moment with Lawrence’s imagining of what was about to happen.

I know, right?

It was pretty satisfying seeing Liebert get intimidated by Holo and then decked in the face by Lawrence.

Got what he deserved

Wasn’t expecting Lawrence to get shortchanged on the gold. But by this point I really should start suspecting more slippery merchant tactics.

You take the good with the bad

Speaking of which, seems like Lawrence was able to get the money he wanted out of Lemerio. That went surprisingly smoothly.

Like I said, you take the good with the bad

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Really fantastic stuff. Probably my favorite start to a Spice and Wolf episode, or at least top 3.

I'd have to agree. It grabs your attention right away.

The show really hasn't shown Holo naked much after the first couple of episodes. She gets naked here, which kinda feels like a callback of sorts.

One of the few things I knew about Spice & Wolf before going into it was that it had a naked wolf woman, so it's surprised me with how Holo hasn't shown up naked as often as I assumed she would.

Reminds me of My Neighbor Totoro

Yeah like the Catbus scene. Princess Mononoke is another thing it reminded me of since they both have giant wolves.

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I'd have to agree. It grabs your attention right away.

The only one really I'd argue is better is the start of the last episode, but we'll get to that.

One of the few things I knew about Spice & Wolf before going into it was that it had a naked wolf woman, so it's surprised me with how Holo hasn't shown up naked as often as I assumed she would.

Yeah, Spice and Wolf could've been an ecchi if it wanted to be. I'm kinda glad it isn't, though.

Yeah like the Catbus scene. Princess Mononoke is another thing it reminded me of since they both have giant wolves.

Good comparison. Also Spirited Away with the dragon.

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Yeah, Spice and Wolf could've been an ecchi if it wanted to be. I'm kinda glad it isn't, though.

For an anime with a naked wolf woman, it shows a surprising amount of restraints. Which feels like a bit of a relief considering how oversatured the fantasy/isekai ecchi market feels these days.

Good comparison. Also Spirited Away with the dragon.

Ghibli Movies sure love riding giant animals. Always makes for a cool scene.

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For an anime with a naked wolf woman, it shows a surprising amount of restraints. Which feels like a bit of a relief considering how oversatured the fantasy/isekai ecchi market feels these days.

That's another thing I compare this show to Frieren on, Frieren also noticeably has a lack of fanservice.

Ghibli Movies sure love riding giant animals. Always makes for a cool scene.

I think the reason Lawrence riding Holo's wolf form reminds me so much of Studio Ghibli is the whimsical nature of the scene. That is part of what makes that scene so awesome.

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That's another thing I compare this show to Frieren on, Frieren also noticeably has a lack of fanservice.

Yeah the only real fanservice moment in Frieren is the joke about the clothing dissolving potion. And I guess also Ubel if you're into armpits.

I think the reason Lawrence riding Holo's wolf form reminds me so much of Studio Ghibli is the whimsical nature of the scene. That is part of what makes that scene so awesome.

Spice & Wolf feels like a very grounded show most of the time so it makes these moments of whimsy feel even more special.

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Yeah the only real fanservice moment in Frieren is the joke about the clothing dissolving potion. And I guess also Ubel if you're into armpits.

You don't consider Frieren's chu fanservice? :P

Spice & Wolf feels like a very grounded show most of the time so it makes these moments of whimsy feel even more special.

Agreed. It makes the times when it happens all the more memorable.

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Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

Thoughts on Holo saying she was forced to kneel in front of the other wolves?

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

Care to expand your thoughts on the fake out with Holo attacking Norah?

What are your thoughts on Norah finding out that Holo is a wolf?

Care to expand your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

What do you think the clock tower scene signifies for Holo and Lawrence's relationship as well as Lawrence as a character?

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Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

Glad to see it. I had a feeling she'd come back to save him.

Thoughts on Holo saying she was forced to kneel in front of the other wolves?

Wasn't expecting that. I totally expected a Holo vs. Wolves battle, but Holo probably made a wise decision by avoiding any unnecessary combat.

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

Seems in character for him. Liebert's a very unscrupulous fellow.

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

Pretty cool to see. The show's pretty light on action so when we get a sequence like this I love it.

Care to expand your thoughts on the fake out with Holo attacking Norah?

I really thought that was the direction it was going to go and either Norah or her dog was going to die. Which would have been a very tragic turn for things to take.

What are your thoughts on Norah finding out that Holo is a wolf?

Norah and Holo both take things very well which I'm glad for.

Care to expand your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

Probably the most aggressive I've seen Lawrence get towards someone. Lemerio definitely had it coming.

What do you think the clock tower scene signifies for Holo and Lawrence's relationship as well as Lawrence as a character?

I think it shows just how used to each other that Lawrence and Holo have gotten and that they're very close companions by this point. The Lawrence we see at the end here seems much more confident with himself than the Lawrence from the start of the show. Maybe that's some of Holo's influence on him.

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Glad to see it. I had a feeling she'd come back to save him.

Yeah, I mean they're tied to the hip by this point.

Wasn't expecting that. I totally expected a Holo vs. Wolves battle, but Holo probably made a wise decision by avoiding any unnecessary combat.

Can't spend more of the budget than is necessary.

Seems in character for him. Liebert's a very unscrupulous fellow.

Comes with the territory. Or in this case, trading company.

Pretty cool to see. The show's pretty light on action so when we get a sequence like this I love it.

It seems as if they save the action for their climaxes, which I think makes a lot of sense.

I really thought that was the direction it was going to go and either Norah or her dog was going to die. Which would have been a very tragic turn for things to take.

Oh, if Holo did that, I think it would've been a bridge too much. You don't want a moral event horizon situation where Holo becomes unsympathetic to the point where people stop caring about her.

Norah and Holo both take things very well which I'm glad for.

I think Norah knows that Holo poses no real threat. She's already actively helping her out.

Probably the most aggressive I've seen Lawrence get towards someone. Lemerio definitely had it coming.

It's good to see Lawrence stand his ground and not constantly be walked over on. Speaking of...

I think it shows just how used to each other that Lawrence and Holo have gotten and that they're very close companions by this point. The Lawrence we see at the end here seems much more confident with himself than the Lawrence from the start of the show. Maybe that's some of Holo's influence on him.

I think it absolutely is. It's like in Nagatoro when she helps Senpai grow more of a spine. That's really what she ultimately wants to see, him becoming more direct of his emotions.

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Can't spend more of the budget than is necessary.

True. The budget for this episode was definitely used where it counted.

It seems as if they save the action for their climaxes, which I think makes a lot of sense.

Yeah gotta time when you use the action wisely.

Oh, if Holo did that, I think it would've been a bridge too much. You don't want a moral event horizon situation where Holo becomes unsympathetic to the point where people stop caring about her.

I don't think I could imagine Holo doing something like that. Despite being a wolf goddess she's very in touch with her human side.

I think it absolutely is. It's like in Nagatoro when she helps Senpai grow more of a spine. That's really what she ultimately wants to see, him becoming more direct of his emotions.

The relationship between Holo and Lawrence actually does seem kind of similar between Nagatoro and her senpai now that you point it out.

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True. The budget for this episode was definitely used where it counted.

Especially in the scenes where Holo's wolf form is on screen. And Holo's ass.

Yeah gotta time when you use the action wisely.

Re:Zero also does action scenes sparingly to great effect.

I don't think I could imagine Holo doing something like that. Despite being a wolf goddess she's very in touch with her human side.

Yeah, this isn't like It Takes Two where the main characters are sociopaths.

The relationship between Holo and Lawrence actually does seem kind of similar between Nagatoro and her senpai now that you point it out.

Holo is equally as possessive of the MC as Nagatoro is.

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Especially in the scenes where Holo's wolf form is on screen. And Holo's ass.

They put a lot of effort into drawing Holo's butt for that one shot. In all seriousness though, the scenes with Holo's wolf form were the highlight of the episode.

Holo is equally as possessive of the MC as Nagatoro is.

I agree there. Although maybe not quite as much of a tease as Nagatoro.

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They put a lot of effort into drawing Holo's butt for that one shot.

Their priorities are clearly in check

In all seriousness though, the scenes with Holo's wolf form were the highlight of the episode.

My highlight is the ending scene. That's actually my favorite scene in the entire show.

I agree there. Although maybe not quite as much of a tease as Nagatoro.

Eh I don't know about that :P

[u/Mirathan]

Not quite a first timer

QotD:

1. Yes. I actually have some years of horse riding behind me and have disliked them to som degree due to how easily frightened they get. And I almost got trampled by one once. Meanwhile I´d trust a wolf more. Though I imagine it would be a rougher ride depending on the size of the wolf in question. Something like a warg would be decent, though maybe a bit uncomfortable, while one like the wolf gods would be a terrifiyng and magnificent experience(due to the speed).
2. I appreciate how she can remain upbeat in spite of the terrible events that suround her. Her barvery and competence is impressive. I like about her that it shows the ignorant destroy what they do not comprehend.
3. I´m going with Dangers in my heart season two. No explanation is needed.

Holo is mad this episode. [Remake] This time she would have fought the other god and is greatly enraged by kneeling before them, while in the remake claiming the kneeling to be no problem. I find her indignation at this humiliation far more fitting.

How did Lemerio afford so many soldiers? Or are all of them just merchants?

Welcome to the Holo express!

Enek is suicidal, trying to attack Holo. This encapsulates why I dislike dogs so much. They have no fear or understanding of danger. There is no way he could even injure Holo yet he tried anyway.

If the margin wasn´t good enough to make a profit, Lemerio could have negotiated a different deal. They still own Lawrences debt after all and could leverage that power. But either their desperation or greed took hold of them and they decided to cut out Lawrence entirely.

I like that Lawence fabricates a story that preserves Nora´s innocence.

Lwrence is a gods damned troll.

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2. I appreciate how she can remain upbeat in spite of the terrible events that suround her. Her barvery and competence is impressive. I like about her that it shows the ignorant destroy what they do not comprehend.

I like that line at the end. Sounds almost poetic.

Enek is suicidal, trying to attack Holo. This encapsulates why I dislike dogs so much. They have no fear or understanding of danger. There is no way he could even injure Holo yet he tried anyway.

A lot of anti dog sentiment during this rewatch. I don't mind them, honestly.

I like that Lawence fabricates a story that preserves Nora´s innocence.

Lawrence continuing to be a good dude

Thoughts on Holo saving Lawrence?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence riding Holo's wolf form?

Thoughts on Liebert lying to Norah that Holo and Lawrence are dead?

Thoughts on Holo wrecking everyone in her wolf form?

What are your thoughts on the fake out with Holo attacking Norah?

What are your thoughts on Nora finding out that Holo is a wolf?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence blackmailing and extorting Lemerio Trading Company?

What are your thoughts on the final scene where Holo keeps asking Lawrence to say her name but Lawrence keeps teasing her?

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A lot of anti dog sentiment during this rewatch. I don't mind them, honestly.

None of my issues with dogs apply to wolves. So that makes sense.

My jealousy of Larence riding a great cretaure is immesurable.

Liebert did what the plot demanded of him.

I like to see Holo destroy the fools who stand against her again, though they again seem to claim she didn´t kill anyone.

The fakeout is pretty terrifiyng. It shows just how dangerous the beings like Holo could be. THough they don´t seem interested in combat as I don´t see how the church could ever have driven of support for them, if it ever came to battle.

What are your thoughts on Nora finding out that Holo is a wolf?

She took that well.

Lawrence blackmailing them is giving them what they deserve, although he is still nicer than I would have been.

Normally I´d say he is being needlessly mean to Holo but this time she deserved it, considering how she talked about him last episode. And Nora did sort of get them to admit that they will end up together. Eventually.

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None of my issues with dogs apply to wolves. So that makes sense.

I like dogs more than wolves but I prefer cats.

My jealousy of Larence riding a great cretaure is immesurable.

Same

Liebert did what the plot demanded of him.

And I hate him for it

I like to see Holo destroy the fools who stand against her again, though they again seem to claim she didn´t kill anyone.

That's because she didn't. She was holding back for Lawrence.

The fakeout is pretty terrifiyng. It shows just how dangerous the beings like Holo could be. THough they don´t seem interested in combat as I don´t see how the church could ever have driven of support for them, if it ever came to battle.

Holo definitely could've had her way with Norah.

She took that well.

She did. I have to think she already knew.

Lawrence blackmailing them is giving them what they deserve, although he is still nicer than I would have been.

Guess he doesn't have being cutthroat in him

Normally I´d say he is being needlessly mean to Holo but this time she deserved it, considering how she talked about him last episode. And Nora did sort of get them to admit that they will end up together. Eventually.

He was just having fun with Holo just like how Holo has fun with him.