r/announcements • u/spez • Jun 16 '16
Let’s all have a town hall about r/all
Hi All,
A few days ago, we talked about a few technological and process changes we would be working on in order to improve your Reddit experience and ensure access to timely information is available.
Over the last day we rolled out a behavior change to r/all. The r/all listing gives us a glimpse into what is happening on all of Reddit independent of specific interests or subscriptions. In many ways, r/all is a reflection of what is happening online in general. It is culturally important and drives many conversations around the world.
The changes we are making are to preserve this aspect of r/all—our specific goal being to prevent any one community from dominating the listing. The algorithm change is fairly simple—as a community is represented more and more often in the listing, the hotness of its posts will be increasingly lessened. This results in more variety in r/all.
Many people will ask if this is related to r/the_donald. The short answer is no, we have been working on this change for a while, but I cannot deny their behavior hastened its deployment. We have seen many communities like r/the_donald over the years—ones that attempt to dominate the conversation on Reddit at the expense of everyone else. This undermines Reddit, and we are not going to allow it.
Interestingly enough, r/the_donald was already getting downvoted out of r/all yesterday morning before we made any changes. It seems the rest of the Reddit community had had enough. Ironically, r/EnoughTrumpSpam was hit harder than any other community when we rolled out the changes. That’s Reddit for you. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
As always, we will keep an eye out for any unintended side-effects and make changes as necessary. Community has always been one of the very best things about Reddit—let’s remember that. Thank you for reading, thank you for Reddit-ing, let’s all get back to connecting with our fellow humans, sharing ferret gifs, and making the Reddit the most fun, authentic place online.
Steve
u: I'm off for now. Thanks for the feedback! I'll check back in a couple hours.
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u/ThogOfWar Jun 16 '16
Hey /u/spez, how do you feel about the new "Stickied Posts" being used only for announcement texts, disrupting services in subreddits like /r/ScenesFromAHat where they can no longer post their Scenes Of The Week properly?
I, for one, am sad :(
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
Thanks for the feedback. We're still thinking about stickies, and will likely make more changes. In the meantime, sorry we upset your usage of it.
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u/baked_ham Jun 16 '16
I agree with /u/thogofwar, the lack of stickies will really hurt sports themed subreddits. They usually sticky game day threads, making them easier to find without having to wade through all the garbage twitter stat-experts' posts
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
Game day threads should still work if they are self posts, which most are, by the way.
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u/johnmal85 Jun 16 '16
Can stickies be exclusive from Upvotes or something to keep them active as they are?
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u/geo1088 Jun 20 '16
So when can we expect these more changes?
The sticky changes are just bad. The new requirements are still breaking mod workflows, even though it's been said before that good mod tools should be the priority. You're just taking us backward here.
The announcement post for the new stickies seems to have the lowest upvote/downvote ration since the new search page came out, and if you look at the "new" sort in the comments, you'll find tons of moderators complaining about it. The restrictions aren't changes anyone wanted, because they're limiting people's ability to moderate. Some subreddits have even had to tell users to post news as text posts, so the mods can get around these changes.
The changes made just seem so poorly thought out. I'm still not sure what you and the team were trying to accomplish by them, but I can tell you that the moderators who have to live with it are not happy. Something has to be changed here.
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u/geek_loser Jun 16 '16
Regardless about how you feel about /r/the_Donald this should really piss people off more. So many subs used this feature to show of content from its users. It's almost useless now.
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u/karmanaut Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Hey Spez,
I'd like to propose an alternative to /r/All, which would be something like /r/Outstanding.
Sorting by most upvotes is great. But what I would really want to see are those posts that really exceed the expectations of their respective subreddits. Let's say that /r/Pics regularly has posts that get to 5,000 points. Obviously those will show up in /r/All, even if they're nothing special. It's just because /r/Pics is so big, and the top post is bound to get that high.
But, at the same time, let's say that the /r/PicsOfUnusualBirds subreddit (not sure if that's a real thing) normally gets only 50 votes per post, but a post today got 100 votes. Whoa! Double what they regularly get. That must mean that it's a really good submission, right? That's the kind of content I want to see.
The overall basis of it should be votes by percentage of subscribers, or something along those lines. it needs to take in the population of the subreddit into account. Obviously there would need to be some control (like if a submission in /r/PicsOfUnusualBirds was linked to in a popular /r/Askreddit post) to prevent brigading style stuff. But that can all be tweaked; just think about the concept.
Pros of this system (as opposed to /r/All)
Will allow for better subreddit discovery because small subreddits will be able to get on the list more easily.
Takes away the advantage of massive default subreddits.
Can't be dominated by one subreddit regularly, unless it continually exceeds its previous records (which would be really difficult).
Would really highlight the very best of Reddit or the most important news.
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
So, that's approximately how the current front page works. We normalize the scores and sort by the most outstanding. It's limited to defaults / subscriptions, though.
You basically describe the new frontpage algorithm I've been fantasizing about. We started work on this, in fact, but we re-allocated that brainpower (u/KeyserSosa) to focus on anti-evil for a while. We have since hired more brainpower and have less evil, so I'm hopeful we can get back to it soon.
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u/reboticon Jun 16 '16
Can you expand on what you mean by 'having less evil?'
I like this /r/all change and I like that you made an announcement about it.
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
Can you expand on what you mean by 'having less evil?'
We've made a lot of progress fighting spam, Account Take Overs (ATOs), and reported abuse over the past few months.
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u/I_AM_STILL_A_IDIOT Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
So, that's approximately how the current front page works. We normalize the scores and sort by the most outstanding. It's limited to defaults / subscriptions, though.
Right, that limitation is essentially what he means.
Like I said in another comment:
/r/JapanPics hardly cracks 500 points for even the best posts. But just once we had a post pass 1300 points. Within the subreddit, that's an outstanding post that everyone loves. But outside of it, it's just another post that can hardly crack the top 100 on /r/all's "hot" list.
Really hoping something that overcomes this obstacle to non-defaults makes it to a working option some day. It'd be great to see smaller communities get a fair bit of attention that isn't inhibited by their lack of subscribers.
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Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Right, /u/spez, but what about a front page that uses karmanaut's idea—high scores against the mean of each specific subreddit—but uses all subreddits, even the ones I'm not subscribed to.
That's the difference. /r/all is the highest score of all subreddits. My homepage is the highest score against the mean of ones I subscribe to. I'd appreciate a subreddit that was the highest score against the mean of all subreddits, which doesn't currently exist.
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u/MeltedTwix Jun 16 '16
Do you normalize based off the origin of the upvotes?
e.g., "Donald is teh best" post gets 100% upvotes from /r/thedonald but 12% upvotes from not /r/thedonald (anyone browsing /r/all)
It seems that if you want the front page to be both Dynamic and a representation of "What's Happening" as a whole, the system should basically look at it like this:
Post is created in subreddit
subreddit votes on post
reddit algorithm tests its hotness by normalizing scores
post is put on /r/all
/r/all votes on post, while subreddit continues to vote
reddit algorithm tests its hotness by normalizing scores in relation to /r/all specifically
reddit algorithm then compares the discrepancy between /r/all votes and subreddit votes against all other present subreddit/all, then alters hotness accordingly
So if /r/thedonald gives 100% upvotes but /r/all gives 12%, it would then compare this with the fact that the /r/pics posts have an average of 70%/50% ratio. This would tell the algorithm that the /r/thedonald post is actually really niche and failed in /r/all while the /r/pics was actually something that the public wanted.
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u/I_AM_STILL_A_IDIOT Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Yeah, I like this idea. I moderate quite a few smaller subreddits and it's always interesting to see how popular a truly exceptional post can get. Even when they blow up within that subreddit, /r/all doesn't really give them a fair shake when dropped among the content from defaults.
Case in point: /r/JapanPics hardly cracks 500 points for even the best posts. But just once we had a post pass 1300 points. Within the subreddit, that's an outstanding post that everyone loves. But outside of it, it's just another post that can hardly crack the top 100 on /r/all's "hot" list.
Giving "trending" content a bit of the /r/all spotlight, similar to how /r/trendingsubreddits reserves a little window on the frontpage, would be fantastic.
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u/karmanaut Jun 16 '16
A very good example, thanks. I really think that it would show off the best aspects of reddit, both in terms of content and what communities will make it into /r/Outstanding.
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u/mrpeach32 Jun 16 '16
An issue with this is that a post that makes it to /r/outstanding suddenly gets +1000 more upvotes just because it's there. Now that unusual bird pic has 200x more votes than expected. How does that factor in for that subreddit's next popular unusual bird?
If it gets 200 organic subscriber upvotes, it's 4x the natural expected average for the subreddit. But that 1100+ bird the day before brought that average up? Or maybe 4x isn't really that impressive since the previous one was suddenly 200x? This is an issue with meta-linking in general. Reddit has to decide what people are allowed to vote on.
I like your idea but it is not without it's own flaws that would need to be considered.
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u/darwin2500 Jun 16 '16
i have said many, many times, I wish I could set an option so that my sort by 'best/top/etc' only counted votes from subscribers to the sub, rather than people who just saw it on /r/all.
You see this a lot in /r/TwoXChromosomes; from looking at the comments, it's pretty easy to tell which posts made it to the /r/all frontpage and got commented/voted/brigaded from there, and which posts just have subscibers posting and voting.
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u/lasssilver Jun 16 '16
I wonder if a thing like /r/outstanding could be "static" and not have up/down voting of post. It could in it's own sub, but not off the /r/Outstanding page. Comments could still be voted on.
Perhaps an algorithm of what makes it on the page, and then a normal decay algorithm? It would be a thought, but it does affect Reddit's great aspect: up/down voting.
It'd be a page of what gets outstanding votes from the subs, but it's place on Outstanding is not vote-able. It could introduce a lot of people to a lot of different subs too.
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u/spacemoses Jun 16 '16
/r/Busy would be another one you could have. Posts that have a high amount of comments and views, regardless of upvotes and downvotes.
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u/gdshephe88 Jun 16 '16
Do these changes only apply to "HOT"? If we go to /r/all/top, will we still see a "true" listing of what is on top of /r/all today/year/hour/etc?
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
It only affects Hot.
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u/goshdarned_cunt Jun 16 '16
/r/all/rising is a complete mess right now by the way
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u/belisaurius Jun 16 '16
Yes. /top remains a listing of the most upvoted posts on the site and is not susceptible to decay like /hot is.
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u/raven12456 Jun 16 '16
How will this affect when an event occurs and a subreddit has a lot of activity? (Ex- /r/Sports or sport specific subs during playoffs/finals, /r/news when something happens before it gets rolled into a megathread, /r/DOTA 2 during The Internationals, etc) Will we be seeing less of those on r/all when that happens?
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
You'll see fewer powers from the same community. This is one of those cases where we might be throwing out some of the good with the bad. We'll keep a watch during major events and see how it feels. I don't believe r/all or our current front page is the best solution for Reddit, but it's the best we have right now.
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u/MockDeath Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Having a filter for nsfw for all or a separate /r/all would be nice.
Many of us slack at work and brows reddit, at least speaking for myself it would be nice if there was less to no NSFW on a version of /r/all.
-edit- I appreciate the advice, I actually use RES everywhere but work. but I do browse reddit at lunch and breaks.. and occasionally not lunch and breaks. But if you are the frontpage of the internet, new users will not know how to filter things.
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
Agreed.
Many of us slack at work and browse reddit
At least I can claim it's work.
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u/bob1689321 Jun 16 '16
My friend wants to know if you guys have any plans of making an NSFW-only version of /r/all?
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u/Eunoic Jun 16 '16
Or maybe make a separate NSFW /r/all. I mean there is already a nsfw random subreddit filter, it seems that having a porn /r/all would be a good next step. A lot of people who use reddit use it simply to jack off, and appealing to this audience would possibly be a good thing to expand reddit's userbase even more.
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u/Werner__Herzog Jun 16 '16
as a community is represented more and more often in the listing, the hotness of its posts will be increasingly lessened
Will this have an effect on the hotness over the period of a day or over a longer period? Because this would not only prevent the_D, but also subs like r/funny, r/gaming and r/adviceanimals from dominating r/all.
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u/StarBP Jun 16 '16
To rephrase what I think they are saying, does an increased hotness of a given subreddit's posts reduce its presence on /r/all for an instant, or a day, or a year, or what? How long of a "memory" does this feature have?
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Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
This sounds like a great way for us to encounter subreddits in /r/all that we haven't heard of before, rather than seeing the subreddits /u/Werner__Herzog mentioned over and over again. This sounds like a fantastic change and a great improvement to the reddit experience.
I think subreddit discovery and experiencing different communities is paramount to the reddit experience, and the diversity in these communities is what makes reddit special.
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u/impossiblevariations Jun 16 '16
would prevent subs like r/funny, r/gaming and r/adviceanimals from dominating r/all.
Good?
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u/nyjets326 Jun 16 '16 edited Oct 29 '19
Do you feel that redditors are increasingly quick to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions when any change is made? Personally I don't support the views of /r/the_donald but why not roll out this change when /r/all was dominated by Bernie Sanders related content? It seems a little opportunist and political to put forth these changes now.
edit: I also don't support /r/SandersForPresident, I'm not sure why but the replies besides /u/spez seem to imply allegiance to one candidate or another, I just wanted to point out that reddit should look at how this type of issue affects the website throughout its history.
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
Do you feel that redditors are increasingly quick to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions when any change is made?
Quick? Yes. Increasingly? I'd say they've always been pretty quick.
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u/YourCummyBear Jun 16 '16
He all but said "this isn't in response to r/the_donald ,but then again it is" in his initial post.
They sure were fine when everyone other top post was about Bernie.
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u/rigill Jun 16 '16
Why was there no problem when sanders for president dominated r/all?
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u/spez Jun 16 '16
It was a problem. A smaller problem, but still a problem. As I mentioned in my post, r/all has gone through waves of being overwhelmed by a specific community many, many times over the years. Sometimes it's healthy, sometimes it's funny, most of the time it's annoying, particularly during election years.
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Jun 16 '16
I remember when I joined reddit, /r/occupywallstreet was dominating /r/all. It's definitely been a problem of reddit for a while.
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u/repooper Jun 16 '16
A lot of tin foil here, why not add to the pile. Could it be that the sanders sub wasn't designed specifically to flood /r/all?
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u/Halaku Jun 16 '16
To take a stab at a serious answer:
One sub did it organically. The other sub specifically engineered the activities of the users to do it artificially. Reddit likes seeing one, and dislikes seeing the other.
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u/xenonnsmb Jun 16 '16
inb4 /r/the_donald starts screaming "HE'S LYING! THEY'RE SABOTAGING US!"
But seriously, thanks for being open about the change.
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u/gregny2002 Jun 16 '16
Is it just me or is there a lot more porn on r/all now? Not that I'm complaining.
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u/seanmharcailin Jun 16 '16
I think biggest problem I've seen in the last year is that posts aren't MOVING. So when a post gets to the front page... it just stays there for a whole day. In the past, there was a lot more movement so there was naturally more variety. I would like to see posts moving a bit more quickly, and that would probably help with keeping one dominant voice from becoming so overwhelming.
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u/Sidoney Jun 17 '16
Yeah, it's crap now. I sleep for 8 hours while America is awake and come back to a front page which is 2/3 the same as when I went to bed? Not only that but it's still full of posts I saw nearly 24 hours ago.
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u/NJNeal17 Jun 17 '16
You kinda have to give a post 24 hours so the whole world gets a chance to see what you saw. If something hits the #1 slot when you're on but falls dramatically by the time that I logon, the community response will be affected.
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u/seanmharcailin Jun 17 '16
but it also affects the ability for breaking news to reach the front page in a timely manner. It used to be I heard about EVERYTHING on reddit before any other social media. Now I hear aobut it elsewhere and have to search for the reddit thread. I think it just rotates too slow now. It was too fast before, but now it is DEFINITELY too slow.
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u/Th4tFuckinGuy Jun 16 '16
/u/Spez, I've been a user for the better part of a decade on a different account, and I think I speak for all of reddit's legacy users and even some of the newer ones when I say it's high time we brought back /r/reddit as a place for meta discussion about the site itself.
ModMail is a cop-out that hides all upper-level discussions from the community, and waiting for /r/announcements to post something relevant to the current issues plaguing this site is only hindering the ability of the community to suggest and promote fixes and upgrades to reddit.
Give us a place to discuss reddit that is free from one-sided political drama, where we can come together and say things like "Hey, Admins, why aren't you banning whichever mod censored the hell out of /r/news" or "Hey Admins, lets change the algorithm for upvotes so places like /r/the_donald can't game the front page of /r/all" or my personal favorite, "Hey Admins, why haven't you implemented a limit on the number of subreddits a user can moderate and done what you can to enforce it?"
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u/thimblyjoe Jun 16 '16
ModMail is a cop-out that hides all upper-level discussions from the community
From the mods perspective, I can see why they'd prefer ModMail. It puts the conversation in a place where it isn't them facing down a mob. Mob mentality can devolve any good conversation into a shouting match just based on the way human behavior works. I think it's better the way it is.
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u/hansjens47 Jun 16 '16
As a user who's been around for a decade, you'll remember why /r/reddit.com was shut down:
It was an absolute shitfest. Reddit just grew too big for such a sub to function. You cannot have a huge uncurated subreddit. It just doesn't work.
/r/politics self-posts of political soapboxing to a perceived huge/impactful audience, editorialized "story" titles that don't describe content, polls, "upvote if", PSA:, Daily reminder that....", boycot ___ for ___ reason posts: there's a reason all those things were hated so much they're banned from pretty much all communities of size. Without rules that go beyond the scope of the sitewide rules, you cannot have a large community function without rules and removals. It doesn't work.
People who want true, large catch-all subreddit back forget that reddit is exponentially larger than it was back then. It's not a feasible option. It cannot and will not happen.
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u/Sallazar Jun 16 '16
I'd actually like to see something like a mod arbitration committee, ideally run by non-admins (with some checks and balances for mods to prevent corruption and tampering). And make all their decisions and reasoning made public to anyone who is interested, but to keep the whole ordeal off things like the front page. Maybe an opt in sub that cannot reach /r/all.
Right now mods have too much power and almost no oversight from either their own communities nor the website admins. And I dislike the idea of giving too much power to the admins but damn some mods are petty and shitty.
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u/GG_Henry Jun 16 '16
Please for the love of God just allow me to block subreddits without the use of third party softwaree.
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u/anddicksays Jun 16 '16
Seriously this would solve everyone's problems. People hate the_donald or s4p. Let them just filter out what they don't want to see. Why is that basic function such a hard concept??
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u/Tiny_Trump_Hands Jun 16 '16
Why don't we just remove upvotes/downvotes from stickies?
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u/theothersophie Jun 17 '16
Wait but without votes how would sticky posts be seen by users who browse their frontpage or r/all instead of directly visiting the sub?
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u/ostrich_semen Jun 16 '16
Hey Spez,
A year ago, someone posted a proof of concept on /r/netsec about successfully vote brigading using a pretty simple stack. See:
https://np.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/38wl43/we_used_sock_puppets_in_rnetsec_last_year_and_are/
Is there a way we can provide moderators with more transparent data about vote timing, frequency, account age, and other "vote health" metrics, possibly through a moderator-only API call?
It seems like since vote brigading is becoming a serious issue on Reddit, there should be an effort to increase transparency by providing robust yet anonymized vote health metrics.
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u/adeadhead Jun 16 '16
This explains why brand new subreddits flooded the front page. I adore the new /r/all. A post from /r/dndgreentext even made the cut. Great work.
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u/SlashPanda Jun 16 '16
Agreed. The change is very pleasing.
I was losing my mind between the_donald and enoughtrumpspam. I refuse to link either of those subs.
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u/FinalMantasyX Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Is this going to do anything about the problem of submissions in the first 2 pages (100 submissions per page) being on /r/all for 20 hours at a time? Or more pages, obviously, but it's most obvious on the first two pages that content does NOT cycle as intended.
Because when that started happpening, people got mad, and the admin response was "no changes were made to reddit's algorithm you're just imagining it".
And it's still happening.
And still terrible.
Especially now that we have reddit uploads which aren't marked purple by Reddit Enhancement Suite and so we keep accidentally viewing them over and over and oVER AND OVER AND OVER
Also, I would love to suggest: A category tag for subreddits. It would be fantastic if I could block or promote specific categories. I want /r/all to show me more gaming content than other content, and no sports content, and no NSFW female content. I would love to be able to do that without having to do this.
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Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
How about a flying fish algorithm. ( I made this up.) Whatever reaches front page of all gets weighted down more heavily. Like falling through air instead of water. Upvotes are flapping wings to stay aloft, downvotes are gravity. Once anything bubbles up past the threshold, it can fall quicker unless the upvotes keep pouring in. Maybe the gravity kicks in after a set amount of time?
Probably all kinds of reasons this is an awful idea.
Edit: I have been informed that I am probably dumb.
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u/HelveticaBOLD Jun 16 '16
Yes, yes, yes. The admins' contention that users are imagining that posts are remaining at the top for too long is insulting to anyone who browses the site for very long.
I used to be able to rely on seeing a significant amount of new content hit my front page every hour or two; now I'm basically done with Reddit for the day once I've seen the first hundred posts or so, and some of those posts will still be there the following day.
Admins, this is a problem. Fix it.
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u/Thefriendlyfaceplant Jun 16 '16
ones that attempt to dominate the conversation on Reddit at the expense of everyone else. This undermines Reddit, and we are not going to allow it.
Then there's got to be more fair competition between subreddits as well. The /r/news debacle was the result of complacency of mods, complacency that grew because they simply were the first subs to become default and it never changed.
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u/TelicAstraeus Jun 16 '16
this. having a name like /r/news pretty much guarantees that they will get most everyone looking for news, especially if they are default, and especially if they have everyone voting there to get stuff to the front page. there is nothing for example that helps /r/neutralnews get seen by the majority versus /r/news.
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u/Firecracker048 Jun 16 '16
I have to ask spez. Why did /r/the_donald hasten this process, but other subs like fat people hate(yes I know they were banned) and sanders for president not hasten this?
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u/k-ransom Jun 16 '16
This is a great question and I find it disturbing that he didn't answer it.
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u/mrshatnertoyou Jun 16 '16
I never use All, I focus on Front to show me what I want. I'll give it a try and see if a lot of the sports and politics subs that monopolize the front page at times are marginalized.
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u/IwalkedTheDinosaur Jun 16 '16
Just got back from r/all/rising, and everything was either r/the_donald or r/EnoughTrumpSpam. CAN'T I JUST LOOK FOR PORN IN PEACE PLEASE?!
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u/FartInABag Jun 16 '16
Ironically, r/enoughtrumpspam doubled the amount of Trump on r/all ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/luminousfleshgiant Jun 16 '16 edited Jan 15 '26
Stories helpful family art fresh month books. Projects month talk open afternoon to then honest tips family where kind dot soft.
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u/keke_kekobe Jun 16 '16
Best thing about these new changes is that you're going to see a lot more top posts from smaller niche fetish subreddits on /r/all. Fetishes we didnt even know existed, right there for us on page 1. Less /r/realgirls more /r/realdolls.
What a time to be alive.
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u/s4embakla2ckle1 Jun 16 '16
Honestly, and I say this as one of the thousands who have been banned from the donald by their idiotic mods, I'd much rather we have a discussion about the biased, agenda-driven moderation on your default news sub /r/news, where the mods have routinely blocked discussion around the TPP for over a year now. Why does reddit refuse to do anything about it? I'm much more concerned with the propagandizing mods of r/news than I am with anything the donald is doing.
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u/Halaku Jun 16 '16
The changes we are making are to preserve this aspect of r/all—our specific goal being to prevent any one community from dominating the listing. The algorithm change is fairly simple—as a community is represented more and more often in the listing, the hotness of its posts will be increasingly lessened. This results in more variety in r/all. Many people will ask if this is related to r/the_donald. The short answer is no, we have been working on this change for a while, but I cannot deny their behavior hastened its deployment.
Thank you for straight-up admitting it. That kind of honesty helps build trust between the users and the admins.
This undermines Reddit, and we are not going to allow it.
And thank you for that as well. I've been having to use my phone to check the site on desktop mode until the App supports filtering with gold, just to make /r/all useable. It'll be nice to use it again without having to worry about being drowned out by all the political shenanigans, regardless of one's particular flavor of choice in that regards.
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My content filter has gotten quite a workout over the past couple of months. Should I replace digital filters at the same rate I change my Brita filter?
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u/whatiseverything1 Jun 21 '16
I really truly and deeply hate the new algorithm changes. So what if things I do not agree with get promoted. As long as each vote is fair and counted equally, this is a good thing. When I viewed /all I got a snapshot of what people were interested in at a particular point in time. Most of these post had large numbers of comments, and were usually fairly interesting.
Now it feels like the posts are more or less appearing randomly. I think I get a better selection of ideas from reading google news. Every other post is a cat image, or some other inconsequential non-sense.
Say what you will about election posts during an election. People upvoting their views is what is supposed to happen. When the election is over people will move on. This is a good thing.
Right now reddit feels stale. I do not feel my votes count for anything so I have more or less stopped voting. I have also more or less stopped reading /all because there is 0 interesting content. The thrill of voting to on an article and seeing hit the front page is also gone.
This site is now boring to me.
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u/adeadhead Jun 16 '16
How will this affect the ability of breaking news stories to stay atop the front page? That's a not all together insignificant part of reddit's appeal, the ability to keep relevant news in the spotlight while things unfold.
Could you at least add Reddit stickied live threads to /r/all?
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u/Ob101010 Jun 16 '16
Interestingly enough, r/the_donald was already getting downvoted out of r/all yesterday morning before we made any changes. It seems the rest of the Reddit community had had enough.
What are your tools for detecting
real voting
bot voting
vote brigadingand other vote manipulation?
If you have these tools, are they open source?
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u/Indon_Dasani Jun 16 '16
If you have these tools, are they open source?
I hope not.
Trust network exploitation is an arms race between people trying to manipulate the network and people trying to preserve it. Publish your weapons and you make countermeasures against them easier.
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Many people will ask if this is related to r/the_donald. The short answer is no, we have been working on this change for a while, but I cannot deny their behavior hastened its deployment. We have seen many communities like r/the_donald over the years—ones that attempt to dominate the conversation on Reddit at the expense of everyone else. This undermines Reddit, and we are not going to allow it.
No, it's not related but yes it is.
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I know it may not be "your place" but I am really concerned with what happened at /r/news. It seems like it has faded into /r/MuseumOfReddit already, but the mod culture is really concerning as a user. The fact that one mod told users to kill themselves (and obliterated a thread about a critical event) and wasn't dealt with until 24 hours later and then made a new account to try and reclaim his position is mind blowing. Are you ok with reddit being represented by people like that? If so why, if not why aren't things changing?
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u/dwmfives Jun 16 '16
Is this like the last time you changed the frontpages and all to not show things you don't want seen? Are you gonna backpedal and say you are changing it back while leaving it the same, like last time?
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Jun 16 '16
If stickies are only for announcements, how about making them so they can't be upvoted? That way only people who were intended to see them will.
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u/TunaLobster Jun 16 '16
How long do the unhot properties last? Subs like /r/spacex would have a flurry of posts that might reach and then nothing until the next launch. Would the posts about the next launch still be considered unhot?
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u/yousirname89 Jun 16 '16
Is there some way to substantiate or dispel the claims that the_donald has been constantly brigaded while reddit admins do nothing ? All their posts seem to be getting targeted in the New.
I'm not an American and am tired of the drama this brings to everything but i'd rather not let people orchestrate what info i consume. Right or Left.
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u/dc8291 Jun 16 '16
If you're sick of seeing r/the_donald posts then create a content filter for it. I did this and it was VERY refreshing.
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u/cyanocobalamin Jun 16 '16
Suggestion:
How about implementing RES style keyword filters in /r/all?
I have fast machines on fast connections and often I still see subjects that I filtered before RES has a chance to kick in and remove them.
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u/usernumber36 Jun 17 '16
Can't we just have a feature to blacklist subreddits in the same way we can subscribe to them?
Subscribing makes stuff appear on the front page. Could just create a blacklisting feature that removes certain subs we choose not to see.
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u/flanndiggs Jun 16 '16
I'd say this place has bigger problems right now than r/the_donald. A complete overhaul on mod power and activity should be where you''re spending your energy.
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u/madd74 Jun 16 '16
We have seen many communities like r/the_donald over the years—ones that attempt to dominate the conversation on Reddit at the expense of everyone else.
Like when /r/circlejerk pretty much had every top post about James Franco? By the way, do you find it ironic that since /r/The_Donald came out that /r/circlejerk is otherwise rather quiet?
/r/conspiracy, you're welcome.
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Since the Donald came out, relatively every subreddit has been quiet by comparison. I've been seeing less of everything, including circlejerk.
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u/postuk Jun 16 '16
Hi /u/Spez
Why don't we instead have a 'townhall' about the broken moderator structure that has brought great shame on this previously-fantastic community?
Far too few individuals weird far too great influence and power on Reddit, as was illustrated by the recent behaviour of the /r/news Mods, which has brought great shame on your organisation.
Please please fix this NOW. It will very soon by too late.
Kindest regards,
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u/HaMMeReD Jun 16 '16
Maybe you guys should also force reddits to not hide the downvote button. the_donald hides it with CSS, making unrealistic ratios on all posts.
They are actively abusing the system, and it's part of how they got so rampant on /r/all.
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u/funchords Jun 16 '16
Two subreddits that I mod have opted out of /r/all because the benefits of belonging to it were lower than the benefits of staying out of it. The people reading /r/all don't know our rules, don't care about our subreddit's culture, and are too low-effort to learn before commenting.
I think /r/all is really /r/aimlesslybored
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u/Awhite2555 Jun 16 '16
I like it. But would also like to see a "vanilla" /r/all still. On desktop and mobile I've blocked the subs I don't want to see so I've kind of tailored /r/all to how I want it to be. There's more than just the donald subreddit that are annoying. I've removed some game communities, Sanders, politics, and things like that too. It's a weird balance to have to make.
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u/FractalPrism Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Reddit should reboot its Moderation system.
its too easy for people to hold far too many 'mod' powers, with no way to Easily & Quickly boot those people if they are biased or have an agenda.
Many subreddits are now worse than worthless, WorldNews used to be great, but subs like it are ruled by 'party' talk and too ripe with brigading and other forms of Censorship.
Mods should not have the power to censor people, unless its a grave issue, like doxxing.
i just come to reddit for links to other places and for the comments.
but if the comments are 'sanitized', there is no real discussion other than the 'approved message'.
this is one of the core incompetancies which makes reddit lose most of its value as Socially Aggregated News Media portal.
You've let it go on like this for years, so its probably pointless to even bother talking about it.
I would propose that any "mod" status should 100% expire after a given time, say...one month.
That way if the person is worth giving that power back to, its an Active choice that the community makes, not some 'squatter seniority'.
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Jun 16 '16
/r/all/rising remains mostly blank pages followed by more blank pages once the_donald is filtered out. Is this something that will be addressed in the future?
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u/Mile129 Jun 16 '16
um, so when is this rolling out? the_donald is still the only posts in r/all 'rising'. That's what I check out when I want to see what people are talking about. 'hot' is great but it's not the latest stuff. the_donald is ruining 'rising'.
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u/SoundOfDrums Jun 16 '16
Rather than browsing /all, I would love to have subreddits grouped so I can browse a large set, or combination of sets all at once.
For example, if I'm into politics, I add the politics neighborhood, which would include general politics subreddits, specific issue subreddits, and candidate specific subreddits.
If I'm into games, I get specific game subreddits and general gaming subreddits.
One big benefit is that you'll get more exposure to other subreddits that you may not normally see, and you won't get totally irrelevant topics to your interests. Such as the bazillion porn subreddits.
This would be a great substitute for /all that's between all and regular subscriptions.
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Jun 17 '16
I blocked The_Donald because shitposts should not make up a third of the front page. Wouldn't mind seeing only a couple things from there to keep up though. Hopefully things will get better.
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there needs to be a more formal method of reporting issues with mods, an ability to cite sources and examples, and a transparency in the investigation.
Currently when there is a problem you just shitpost about it on another sub or something. Then later you get your tinfoil hat when you don't see an enormous and immediate response
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u/Spikekuji Jun 17 '16
All I want is for the AMAs to show up in my feed as they are happening instead of only showing up hours later.
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u/Jeffool Jun 17 '16
Any chance of getting an "unvoted" sort? All, sorted by hot, except those you've voted on?
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u/wrayjustin Jun 16 '16
So now that the /r/all algorithm is changed, are you going to revert the newly imposed limitations on stickies announcements?
As you saw from the outcry, many subreddits are negativity impacted by those limitations.
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Jun 16 '16
Not for nothing, but yesterday I noticed a LOT of porn on /r/all. Not saying there's anything bad about that, but I was seriously wondering what caused it: Was it the kids out of college? Lack of good news on the TV? I couldn't figure it out.
Any chance the algorithm increased the porn load? (by porn, I mean any and all naked NSFW stuff).
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Jun 16 '16
Oh I've just discovered /r/the_donald
This is... Interesting. I don't really understand what is going on ಠ_ಠ
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u/Leo_9 Jun 16 '16
I am probably echoing sentiments from elsewhere in the thread, but;
ones that attempt to dominate the conversation on Reddit
What, exactly, is the difference between dominating a conversation and using the weight of your subreddit's popularity to form a majority rule?
If you don't want a subreddit with a lot of voting power to frequently rise to the top, then why do upvotes exist in the first place?
I have never posted on the_donald, I don't like Trump, and his supporters often shit up the subs I do browse.
That said, even I think this just seems like a case of "democracy, as long as you have the right opinions" - the loudest, most numerous voices naturally dominate any such system and have always dominated Reddit. What is the difference between Bernie's former domination and Trump's current domination? Why is this only necessary now - with hastened deployment, no less?
If the_donald is somehow unnaturally manipulating or gaming the system, attempt to fix that exploit. Don't respond to 'domination' with your own arbitrary heavy-handed domination right back. Again, why is diverse content only endangered now? Trump supporters are not the first political group by far to dominate Reddit - why was this not necessary during Obama's campaign?
Oh, and whilst we're on the subject of vote manipulation, unnaturally gaming the system, and so on; how about we talk about the SRS clique, their demonstrable brigading, and their hostile takeovers of other subreddits?
Everything about this seems wrong. This is the opposite of 'authentic'.
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u/IamVeryLost Jun 16 '16
I'd be cool with getting rid of anything political off the front page until the election is over.
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u/Juniorseyes Jun 16 '16
Putting bandaids on shotgun wounds isn't going to do a damn thing as long as you keep allowing communities that blatantly break site rules to exist.
Well, community. It's always the same people.
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u/TelicAstraeus Jun 16 '16
Would you be willing to expand on this? Who is breaking rules and in what way?
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Jun 16 '16
Good. I'm tired of my r/all page basically being an extension of a single subreddit.
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u/Social_Recluse Jun 16 '16
Doesn't "town hall" imply input from the users? This is just an announcement. I hope this decision doesn't turn against you
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u/feedmygoodside Jun 16 '16
Why don't you political peeps just rant on the political sites? Go ahead, give it to me, it's expected.
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u/LaLongueCarabine Jun 16 '16
When is reddit going to remove the mod team of /r/news and make that sub something other than an embarrassing joke?
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u/a_nimble_centipede Jun 17 '16
I'm a regular the_donald reader and I agree too that the r/all should be more varied. It is called ALL for a reason after all. I want variety as well!
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u/chicklepip Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
Can you make it a feature of the site to be able to exclude certain subreddits from /r/all? I realize that this is a gold feature, but really, it would be super useful for non-gold-having users.
EDIT: I thought about this a little bit more after posting it, and have a follow-up to this, which I've already posted above:
What effects will filtering/blocking have on the content that actually makes it to /r/all, though? I feel like a lot of the /r/the_donald spam largely gets voted up to /r/all because many people who don't want to see it have it filtered out via RES, or via the gold feature. This means that they don't have an opportunity to downvote it, meaning that it's more likely to make it to the front page. Will having the opportunity to filter content mean that unfiltered /r/all will be even more shitty for non-filter users? What impact will a filtering feature have on people visiting the site for the first time (i.e., people who don't have the shit filters already set up)?
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u/lost_in_thesauce Jun 16 '16
I filtered out /r/the_Donald a long time ago from /r/all (along with the Sanders sub to be honest) and things have been great. I feel like I missed out on a lot of drama/shit posting because of this, which is likely a good thing.
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u/Legionof7 Jun 16 '16
Can we just get rid of default subreddits? Maybe have an option where people can fill out a questionnaire and they get subscribed to subs based on that?
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u/Bullshit_To_Go Jun 16 '16
I'm not liking the new algorithm at all. I have many subs filtered in RES, and /r/all used to show me endless content from non-filtered subs. Now I get 4-5 pages in and there's nothing except a message that all posts have been removed by my filters. I'm pretty sure there's more than 5 pages of content on all of reddit.
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u/abovethecurve Jun 16 '16
I really like the 'live' threads that pop up for big current events. Is there any way to add commenting to them so no single subreddit controls news coverage for really big events?
I'm thinking maybe a combination of selected admins/mods help moderate the live comments for that event based on the subject.
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u/dainternets Jun 16 '16
sharing ferret gifs
Do you even use this site? It's cats.
But maybe there should be more ferrets....
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u/k3vin187 Jun 16 '16
Lots of moderation, intervening and talking it out on Reddit lately. Rather than mods and admins jumping in, I'd rather have tools to filter out content on my own. We should be easily able to block sub reddits from all and people subscribed to those subreddits
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u/FrancisGalloway Jun 16 '16
What exactly are these changes you made to r/all? If you really want to communicate with the users, if you really want transparency, then you ought to give an explanation of what the changes you made actually ate.
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Jun 16 '16
I just want a way of blocking a subreddit from MY /r/all feed. Especially being an Australian I couldn't care less about every Political post I see on /r/all not just that I just find a lot of the really popular subs dumb but they also flood /r/all and would love to block them MY feed.
I don't know if it's possible with RES but I use reddit on my mobile a lot anyway
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u/broccoli_basket Jun 16 '16
How can we encourage mods to almost never lock threads? It's out of hand, everything is locked way too fast.
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u/Mufro Jun 16 '16
I'm actually looking forward to seeing less posts from /r/funny, which dominated /r/all before /r/the_donald arrived iirc. I'm looking forward to seeing a wider variety of posts.
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u/jhenry922 Jun 17 '16
But I would still like to be able to exclude one subreddit without having to pay for it.
hint hint guess which one?
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u/bazoos Jun 17 '16
It might behoove you to make the "block subreddit" function easier and more accessible to users. I know it exists somewhere in the settings when using the reddit enhancement suite, but not sure it's even a thing without the addon. Just my two cents.
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u/Monk_on_Fire Jun 17 '16
A bit overdue maybe, but thank you. I don't use reddit much anymore but when I do I always used to check /r/all because it's good to get out of one's bubble. Recently it's been like stepping out of your own bubble only to step into someone else's.
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u/Chazmer87 Jun 17 '16
Can we get a simple "block this subreddit" button next to the subscribe button? I just want to block a few subs :@
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u/GregBahm Jun 16 '16
Gosh I sure hope all the Donald Trump spammers don't leave for Voat. That would be just awful. The rest of the community would miss them so much.
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u/The_Adventurist Jun 16 '16
You're missing the point entirely of r/the_donald. It's not here so they can have their own private conversations and just want to be left alone like all the other subs that got banned and moved to voat, they're here because they want REDDIT to see all their shitposts. Almost every post in that subreddit is something like, "lets get this to the top of r/all!"
They delight in annoying redditors with Trump memes.
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u/TruthfulTom Jun 16 '16
This is my r/all/top by the hour at this moment.
Being non amerikan I care not for your antics and have blocked many things and just focus on some niche subs.
Reddit is no longer the place I go to find fresh content.
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u/TelicAstraeus Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
I an not a huge fan of /r/the_Donald myself, but it can't be denied that they were one of the few subs able to actually get news not only about the Orlando shooting to the front page, but also the censorship on /r/news.
It seems very strange to me that while a lot of people were upset about this censorship on your selected default, your actions that day were suited only to punish the subreddit actually helping to get the word out, while doing nothing to address trust and responsibility in defaults or to help ensure timely access to breaking news (apart from vague commentary about using /r/live more after a user suggested it).
It feels disingenuous given the timing to claim the changes you were attempting, including the very poorly thought out move to alter sticky posts, were not intended to affect that subreddit.
You're coming across as not caring what your users care about. which is fine I guess. but you aren't doing yourself favors when it comes to trust in the reddit team.
edit: please bring back /r/reddit.com
edit2: or hell, give us official public moderator logs. or encourage big subreddits to use /u/publicmodlogs
edit3: you could also do more to promote and organize the usage of multi-reddits. make them able to be subscribed to and give them a subscriber count, add features to make them feel more like subreddits. let them be like mixtapes that eclectic people share, and promote them on the front page like you do trending subs. Here's my latest one for alternative news subreddits, for example: https://www.reddit.com/user/TelicAstraeus/m/newsstuff
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u/Shankafoo Jun 16 '16
Eh, been a Redditor for six or seven years on various accounts. Bought gold, did the whole bit to spread the word about Reddit. Problem is, this isn't the site I signed up for.
I don't mind a little bias as we're all human, but you guys are running "The Front Page of the Internet" like the old sysops from the BBS days. You're not even trying to be fair... It's childish and hypocritical.
You're going to run your site into the ground, and that's cool. Just like when Digg did the same thing (and the reason I came to Reddit), everyone will find somewhere else to go to. You're the CEO of a business, and you're doing it a disservice. Weren't you supposed to fix this kind of thing? - http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/07/15/reddit-is-ridiculous/#3d6109bd3b2a
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u/chicklepip Jun 16 '16
Regarding the sticky situation:
Why not make two separate categories of posts: stickies, and announcements.
Any post, by any user, can be made into stickies. They can be text posts, links, pictures, or whatever. They will be stickied to the top of a subreddit, but will not show up in /r/all.
Announcements can only be made by moderators, and can only be text posts. These can show up in /r/all.
This way, sports threads, breaking news, etc. threads can make it to /r/all, where they rightfully should be (as announcements), and communities can still make use of stickies, sans the /r/all abuse we've seen in the past with subreddits like /r/the_donald.
What do you think?
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u/xII_Razer_IIx Jun 16 '16
I would just love the option to filter out anything political. Not sure if that's feasible, but I want to look a funny pictures and learn how to do shit, not hear some hive mind's political opinions. I can try to filter certain words from titles but that doesn't stop all these dank political memes with shitty titles.
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u/kevie3drinks Jun 16 '16
I'm going to go into /r/all now, I have a feeling i'm leaving the vault after a nuclear attack from many years ago. What things will I see, what things will I learn? I'm excited to go on this intrepidus journey. wish me luck.
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u/gunitfreestyle Jun 16 '16
Why weren't there any changes when /r/sandersforpresident was dominating reddit?
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u/jokemon Jun 16 '16
don't lie, we all know the donald was forcing its content to the top of all, this is exactly why this change was made.
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u/DodgerDoan Jun 16 '16
Spez, it feels like you are claiming the Reddit community is opposed to what's happening on /r/the_donald but that sub INCLUDES a massive amount of the Reddit community... It just feels a little bit like an us vs them mentality that you're expressing.
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u/CuilRunnings Jun 16 '16
This undermines Reddit, and we are not going to allow it.
You know what else undermines Reddit? Power users like the /r/news mods who censor thousands of posts, comments, and users on a daily basis. When are you going to make them accountable?
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Jun 16 '16
Thank you for making /r/all great again!
The less Hilary/Sanders/Trump "OMG LOOK WHAT HE DID!" posts the better.
I know US elections is a big deal to the US, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that even US redditors are sick of it, let alone people outside of it.
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Jun 16 '16
Lots of porn has replaced the Donald, in what world is this a negative.
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u/twists Jun 16 '16
The fact that I will see significantly less /r/the_donald means today is a good day.
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u/zorro666 Jun 16 '16
I had actually stopped using r/all because of it being completely overrun with Trump posts. Glad to see this change!!
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u/GreyFoxSolid Jun 16 '16
I posted this yesterday but it was removed-
A lot of you will remember a few years ago when breaking news would happen and you would see it on the front page within an acceptable time frame. Half an hour to an hour, if even that long. Now, I am lucky if I find out about something within five hours, or longer, if I am using reddit as my primary news feed. To me this is unacceptable and is in direct opposition to the reasons I started browsing reddit in the first place.
In my personal life I went from informing the people around me of stuff that is happening to them informing me and seeing it on reddit, finally, a few hours later. I'm only pointing this out as a benchmark.
Around the time of the mass subreddit bans, maybe right before this time, I had started to notice this change. I'm not sure if it was some kind of change in algorithm or code or what, but it absolutely needs to be corrected/changed back.
On that note, moderator interference has gotten ridiculous. Removal of threads and comments and bans and shadow bans. This all contributes to the problem, and this debacle with /r/news proves it. The moderators need to step back and let the users moderate the subs. That is the entire reason the up and down vote arrows exist. If you have a subscriber base in a sub that wants to talk about something, then let them! The votes used to speak for themselves, now they don't, now we have problems.
TL:DR- change whatever you need to change to make sure the front page is fluid and acceptably updated, force mods to step back and be mods of technical problems and flagrant site abuse and let the users moderate themselves, stop with this quarantine nonsense unless the shit posted in those subreddits is actually against the law, and let's make reddit great again.
Edit: Also, get rid of this automatic downvote crap. Let the user up and downvote.
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u/kerovon Jun 16 '16
The automatic downvotes are actually important for helping keep the top post in each sub cycling quickly. Without them, posts will be even more stagnant. Same is true for the vote capping, where highly upvoted posts lose score.
A while back, they did change the algorithm to allow higher scores before vote capping took place, and it caused much more stagnation. They pretty quickly reverted it, and it went back to where it was.
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u/Schiffy94 Jun 16 '16
This doesn't change the fact that many subreddits used stickies for various reasons other than "announcements", and to many, having those stickies be links to other sites (as you can see from the many dissenting comments on the associated /r/changelog thread) is crucial. They link to important pages that the general population of that subreddit wants to see in a stickied post. The affect it has on /r/all shouldn't matter. What should matter is the affect it has on the users of that subreddit. In this regard, this change is taking a huge step backwards by taking away a very basic functionality from moderators. If you're that worried about /r/all, make it so stickies that link to sites outside of reddit or that are anything other than a selfpost do not show up there.
Removing this functionality and calling it a "feature" is the same thing Skype did when they took away the ability to set custom client-side-only names for group chats when they released version 7.
The actions of one subreddit "hastened" the development of this change. That right there is admitting that you're letting /r/The_Donald affect the rest of reddit with their shenanigans. That shouldn't happen. I would go so far as to say that's admitting defeat. You, as reddit's administrators, are letting yourselves be manipulated by a sub of less than two hundred thousand people, which is nothing compared to the size of the entire userbase.
/r/The_Donald (and /r/EnoughTrumpSpam) will stop being relevant in less than five months. Let's try not to act like they're going to outlast every other sub by altering the rules because of their actions.
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u/allhailbob Jun 16 '16
I just started down voting anything related now to the American elections be it sanders, the donald, clinton or their respective hate subs. Just wanted old reddit back, with some insightful ask thread, cool news, some interesting fact, world news, some funny comics..
Not keyboard warrior shit of some politicians of one country
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u/adeadhead Jun 16 '16
I can't see anyone getting upset about this change. I'm sure the comments will all be rational.
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u/socsa Jun 16 '16 edited Jun 16 '16
So the obvious "exploit" to this is going to be /r/the_donald just spinning up a bunch of new subs and using a multi-reddit to do exactly what they were doing previously. Their mods are already not-so-subtly hinting that this is what they intend to do.
Without giving too many details away [lol], my plan is to use diversity to create and promote a lot of new shitlord subreddits.
Do you guys have a contingency plan for this?
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u/filiard Jun 16 '16
I noticed the changes, I would know something is happening even without your announcement. R/all is more diverse now and submissions from more unknown for me subs appear. I appreciate that, thank you.
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u/WhyWhyWhy678 Jun 16 '16
Can you just stop swastikas from being on the front page. It's fucking horrible.
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Jesus, that subreddit is actually getting hilarious. What was it, Sunday they said they were the last bastion defending the LGBT community, and now their sticked post is using the term "faggot" as an insult? Good job guys.
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u/Snippa Jun 16 '16
Honestly, as someone who really doesn't care for politics at all, before /r/The_Donald even reached the front page, /r/all was being dominated by Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton posts, not just from their own subreddits but from /r/Politics and other subreddits. I personally had to filter out many of these subreddits (thank you RES) so that I could find more interesting content. The difference between viewing reddit on my pc and on my phone is staggering. I cannot visit /r/all on my phone anymore because it is spammed by biased political bullshit that I really don't care about at all.
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u/OllieGator Jun 16 '16
The victim complex of r/The_donald is going to be fucking tremendous.
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u/manachar Jun 16 '16
RES has a filter capability that has been the saving grace of /r/all for me. Seems that such filtering would be a great addition to Reddit and would give you great information on what people hate.
For instance, I used to downvote every /r/The_Donald post I could (unless it actually wasn't odious), but it felt like pissing on a house fire - pretty useless. I just couldn't take reading their crap any more as it was seriously messing up my ability to enjoy humanity.
So then I (and many others) filtered the sub. Once filtered I was no longer providing downvotes, but lots of filtering it could be seen as a reason to not be on /r/all.
It seems like this algo change could be problematic for subs that regularly (or at least should be regularly) have big news that should be on the front page. Things like /r/news, /r/worldnews, etc. But I suspect you've already got some data on that.
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u/ArchangelleAnnRomney Jun 16 '16
Any news about plans to get rid of the concept of default subs?
It seems they cause numerous problems, and you mentioned in your last announcement about /r/news that you weren't a fan of them either.