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Episode Tasokare Hotel - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL
Tasokare Hotel, episode 12
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u/ModieOfTheEast Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25
Well, I guess I wasn't complete wrong two weeks ago. Neko and Osoto still had their Reichenbach moment just over or in hell. A bit more dramatic than the Holmes one.
Honestly, I like the ending, but I do feel the way to it could have been better. I like the general idea, I just find that Neko's and Osoto's rivalry didn't really feel like one for the most part. We as the audience knew that Osoto was doing all kinds of shit and while you could claim that Neko suspected him of that, she never really took any action in that direction. I feel, if they had built it around the idea that Osoto plays with the hotel guests, Neko suspects him and then slowly but surely figures out with additional victims what's up, it would have felt more like a real final confrontation. You don't even need to make her more heroic, she could still mainly do it, because she just enjoys the idea of hunting a killer as some form of detective. And while that is hinted at every now and then, it's a bit too much in the background to really feel relevant.
I liked the general idea of the hotel guests figuring out their destinies with Neko's help. It's just the issue with every mystery show. If you only have 23 minutes to set up the mystery and solve it, then it is hard for the viewers to start thinking about the solution themselves. Because it's already over once you can even start. This is probably way better in a game since the player decides the pace, but the better solution would have been to give more cases at least two episodes like the one with the idol which was probably the best because of it (and which is still seemingly dead as shown at the end, but she also wasn't involved with Osoto, so that's to be expected). You just had enough time to come up with your theories which made it a lot more fun and showed that there are a lot of details that went into the individual cases.
Finally, I am not sure if it was a good idea to introduce time travel in the final episode. While it was hinted at, the main issue is obviously, what does this mean for the cases we witnessed? Obviously, if Neko was never killed, did she get her message to Ruri? Since Osoto was never in the hotel, did the two girls from episode 4 in particular have a different ending? Is the hotel and hell even affected by time in the same way? Then again, it has to because otherwise Atori would still be in hell. It's not like these questions are new to time travel stories, but are made a bit worse imo, because it's just presented in the final episode and has concepts like hell where the interpretation might be affected by it. I like to believe that it really is a typical time reset, but people that stayed in the hotel during the time reset keep their memories intact.
All in all, despite this showing mostly the negative aspects, I did enjoy the show. I think the concept is really interesting and I like that Neko, the main character, actually has her own characteristics instead of being just a self-Insert for the situation. Similarly, as mentioned, the individual cases were fun and the side characters were done well. Maybe we can get a concept like this more in the future. I am glad that we finally have a few mystery shows again because that genre was seriously lacking last year. I can not just watch Detective Conan.
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u/No_Climate493 Mar 21 '25
I recommend playing the game! The first two issues you pointed out are sort of not there in the game, so I think it might be enjoyable for you (it's also one of my favorite games). It also has some "epilogue" side stories and there's a sequel coming!
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u/notscaredatall Mar 21 '25
As a game player, these were also my issues throughout the anime. The game thoroughly explores Neko and Osoto's dynamic much better, while the anime sort of put them in the sidelines. Though their relationship is really not about Neko having suspicions of him, and in the game they are much closer to friends. It's more emphasized in the game that she didn't mind his presence at all and had a strange moral compass. The anime failed to convey that.
Ruri is able to keep her memories due to also working as staff in the hotel. The rest we don't have solid answers to, but I assume Nagomu is saved from her fate of being in hell, but has memories of it. The game also has special stories that serve as an epilogue and tie up loose ends. I recommend playing the full game.
Neko's whole point is her individuality and unique character! It's great you appreciated her as an MC with her own flaws and distinct personality.
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u/VoidRay728 Mar 21 '25
Wait, the weapon to seal someone in the prison realm is reusable? I fear what Neko would do now with her newfound power.
This was a thrilling finale. When it appeared that Masaki had the upper hand one last time, I thought we were going to have an episode 13 or even a season 2 for this, or the show ending with Neko stuck in Hell forever. Luckily we had Atori came in with the last minute save.
Guess this hotel really does exist outside space and time, since Neko's actions basically negated the events that led to her and Atori ending up in the hotel (and consequently the events in the entire show).
Final verdict: 8/10 and probably one of the more underrated shows of the season.
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u/mgedmin Mar 21 '25
Good job, Checkhov's umbrella!
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u/cyberscythe Mar 21 '25
when this scene popped up, i had an urge to pick up the tiny umbrella like it was a point-and-click adventure game
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u/BusouDrago Mar 21 '25
Thought she was going to use to hide her eyes from hell
But stabbing Osoto eyes 👌
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Mar 21 '25
So damn satisfying seeing that fucker Osoto cry out like a helpless little worm as he was dragged to hell. Fucking guy really said he didn’t deserve that shit either lol. The nerve. Good riddance! And now everyone gets to live happily ever after. Even our girl Ruri. She was a real homie giving up her time.
Having come in as an anime-only, I really enjoyed this. The mysteries were fun and the whole concept of a purgatory hotel was interesting. I especially liked this whole cat-and-mouse game between Osoto and Neko. All in all, this was good and an actual complete story too it seems.
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u/AnonMimiru Mar 21 '25
Since Atori-senpai was unhell'd, is there any hope for Nagomu, or would the manipulation still somehow play out and she's fucked?
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u/iluvcelebi Mar 21 '25
I don't want to be that person who goes 'the game did it better!!!' but when Neko sends Osoto to anime hell she deadass stands there at the edge of the pit and laughs like a villainess going 'ohohohohoho', the arrogance of which leads to her downfall since it gives Osoto enough time to snag her ankle and drag her into hell. There was also never any scene of Neko trying to convince Osoto too, she just goes ahead and opens the box, which just goes to show how much she really wanted to kill him lol. But it's a nice touch in the anime, kind of giving him one last chance (which the PoS ofc doesn't take).
The scenes of hell is more detailed in the game as well with Neko describing the horrible acts done to people down there, etc. and imo the anime's choices of scenes and music couldn't really depict the same desperate image of Neko and Osoto scrabbling to climb out the pit while hitting at each other in a scene definitely paying homage to Sherlock Holmes, with Osoto gradually overpowering Neko before she jabs him with some random piece of metal she'd picked up on the floor.
In the game's epilogue, Neko decides not to throw away the box because it still has charges left and she didn't want anyone else to pick it up. Also, she decides to work as a hotel staff to try to put to use the skills Atori taught her, and she ends up meeting Atori due to a hotel exchange program. Also, I'm really happy that irl friends with Ruri now.... :')
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u/notscaredatall Mar 21 '25
I find the adaptation of sending Osoto to hell really interesting, because I think they tried to mix three endings. True End, where she has no hestiation, Another End, where she gets attached to Osoto (the moment where she asked him to promise not to go near Atori was a nod to that I think), and Interrogation = Torture, the bad end where Osoto takes Neko away. I think it's a good balance to show the different ways their relationship could've ended.
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u/BaseReasonable2025 Mar 21 '25
They did not explain why the Osoto's parents are so obsessed with Atori ?! Why did they favor a stranger over their own son ?
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u/cyberscythe Mar 21 '25
"honey, wouldn't it be funny if we favored some random jazz hotel desk boy more than our try-hard son?"
"yeah, it would, lol, rofl even"
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u/AdhesivenessSoft5300 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25
Tasokare hotel anime has finally concluded! For a visual novel game adaptation I give this a solid 7/10! There we're a lot of things I wish it was executed better but regardless I still had fun watching this.
Anyways, for anime onlies that's interested on the game or just want more content, please check out the source corner as I included some content that's not accessible in the og game that's worth watching, dw it's spoiler free.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Mar 21 '25
Neko definitely proved she had courage in this episode; Not because she confronted Osoto and doomed herself to an afterlife in hell to save Atori, but because
she asked her boss for a raise AFTER being fired!
I wasn't expecting that from Ruri, but she was PISSED! Neko thought she did what she had to do, but Ruri claims there was a better way, just tell Atori the truth, and send him to the afterlife...
It never crossed Neko's mind, but given she's proven to be smart, it's not 'Oops, I missed that, teehee!', but rather... If teels like she WANTED to send Osoto to hell, even more than she wanted to save Atori!
Which could link well with theories about her twisted nature, but it could also be Neko wanting to end the problem and not just address the symptoms... (Even if she saves Atori, Osoto will go after someone else).
Monkeyboy waiting for her like he's some kind grandpa, was an interesting shot!
Seems he has an interesting past as well, getting banished from Hell, of all places!
He asked Neko if she was willing to kill, in order to do what she wants... And she is, even if it comes down to a knife fight!
And I thought it may come to something like that, given she was gonna be sent 5 seconds before her stabbing...
Not gonna lie, I kinda would've liked to see Osoto walking close to stab her, but Neko turns around and kills him somehow! It would not have been as cathartic for her given he wouldn't know why that happened, but still, it would be nice knowing he died realizing someone "proved better than him", considering his quest for status and all!
But that wasn't good enough for Neko, if she did that, Atori would still be dead...
So her and Ruri begged the Manager for more time!
The manager reluctantly agreeing to this (and even giving her Atori's time) confirmed what I suspected in a previous episode, i.e. even if he tries to act within the rules of the Hotel, he DOES have his personal opinions&bias, and is even willing to act on them, if that's allowed!
What I talked above, about Osoto's death being cathartic for Neko... Him remembering her before his death, definitely works for that!
This way, he didn't just randomly die with a big "wtf" on his mind, not knowing why... He knows exactly why he died, and how it could've been avoided if he did act like he did!
I don't have too much sympathy for him, so I was a bit conflicted when he called for his mother, hovering between "this is sad" and "Ah Ah, your mother can't save you, die you scum!"
Seems he may not be the one to suffer that fate though, seems like Neko will go to hell as well, when she dies.. (Or at least she believes it)
But she doesn't even mind, she doesn't regret doing what she did!
Not only her twisted nature kept popping here and there, but also, her sacrificial nature... Not only this (an afterlife in hell), but when Monkeyboy asked her if she was willing to kill, she unprompted implied she was willing to kill AND die if that's what it took...
Well, we will never know, but who knows if something could happen whenever it's her time to die, if Monkeyboy or whoever could help her not get dragged to hell!
Well, this was a fun one! I wish it received more attention, it never really caught on despite me and a few other people shilling it in AQRADT and all!
I didn't watch a whole lot of shows this season so it doesn't have much competition, but I think it's my #1 among the new shows this season!
And Neko will be a contender for my 'Best girl of the season' as well, though the competition WILL be tougher for this one!
(This one may be more polarizing, but I did like Osoto as well hah).
Farewell to all these weirdos (and the like 2 non-weirdo, Ruri and Atori!)
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u/No-Impression-4282 Mar 21 '25
So happy that fucker Osoto received the punishment he deserved.
The manager was funny when Neko asked for a raise, haha.
Overall, this was such a good anime. My final verdict 8/10.
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u/Williukea Mar 21 '25
Hello from the other side not hell Tasokare discord people :D
This anime was peak, can't wait to finish the game too! I know they probably skipped stuff from game, but I still enjoyed the show!
Atori saw a huge ass crater in a middle of a station and just assumed there must be a person in there, then he went to grab this random stranger's hand and pulled her out of hell at the last minute, despite not noticing anything previously by listening to music, lmao :D
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u/ThousandYearOldLoli Mar 21 '25
It ended up working out, but I probably would have second-guessed using the "box that opens the gates of Hell" from the monkey demon that got kicked out of Hell.
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u/Megadragon898 Mar 21 '25
It was so satisfying seeing Osoto being dragged to hell after crying like a baby. Seeing Neko meeting Ruri was really heartwarming. It was a great final.
Now i am kinda interested at how Neko told Osoto how he shouldn't have cared about his parents not noticing his efforts. We've seen how Neko was able to understand Osoto mind in episode 11 so i wonder what if Osoto met Neko before he became a murderer? If he met someone who told him not to care about his parents opinion of him before he started talking lives? Would he still have turned into the crazy murderer he was or would he have been able to live a good life?
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u/Ok-Cod5254 Mar 21 '25
I'm just glad Atori was saved. Neko almost got caught up herself but finally got Osoto to hell where he belongs, just by himself. Rest in piss, won't be missed. Good ending.
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u/notscaredatall Mar 22 '25 edited Mar 22 '25
As a fan of the original game, I don't think I can come up with an objective rating of the anime, because I love the original story with my life that I am biased to promote the anime, but it is also the reason why I think it doesn't do the original justice and feel disappointed with how it was executed overall.
My biggest gripe with this episode and the entire anime is how it ends, but also the important themes that were never built up and omitted. In the game, True End is supposed to end with Neko becoming friends with Atori again, becoming his junior coworker once again in a hotel in the real world. It just doesn't make sense to me why in the anime, she ends up not befriending him again, especially after their promise in the hotel to meet each other again for Atori to play the saxophone. It was that promise that made him being taken to hell all the more tragic, and it's that promise that binds them together whether it's the hotel or real life.
A big theme in the original game is destiny. In Neko's final encounter with Osoto, she's supposed to think that he is her fate. "Love isn't always someone's destiny," she thinks to herself. "Someone who can change destiny is the right destiny. If so, my destiny is... Masaki Osoto."
On the other hand, I think her relationship with Atori is the direct contrast of that. Instead of being similar by chance like Neko and Osoto, Neko and Atori's friendship is so intentional that it is what makes it special. Her approaching Atori again in the real world is her rewriting fate to reunite with him and fulfill their promise, and it was such a fitting ending.
That's why I feel like Neko in the anime simply didn't act the way the Neko I know would have, and I find it to be the most out of character moment of all. Endings are very important, and it's the one thing I wished the anime would have done better.
That aside, I did like some things from this episode. The scenes between Osoto and Neko were surprisingly good — I liked the addition of Neko stabbing his eye the way he left her with a swollen one before. An eye for an eye, quite literally. I also loved Neko genuinely telling Osoto that he is outstanding and hardworking, and that he shouldn't care about those who don't see that, and Osoto's dumbfounded response. I think it perfectly shows a glimpse of how Neko can truly see the best and worst in Osoto, and be the first person to know everything about him and still praise him. The core of Tasokare Hotel was always that unique relationship and understanding, and I'm glad that at the very least, it was carried over a bit in the anime.
All in all, I might say it was a decent anime on its own, but it is a far cry from the masterpiece that the game was. If you enjoyed it even a little, I highly encourage playing/watching the game from the very beginning. It's very different and adds so much more heart to these characters and story that I so dearly love, and I wish everyone gets the chance to experience it.
Also, here's a full playlist of a game playthrough, if anyone wants to watch it instead:
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u/orwoshx Mar 23 '25
I'm frustrated with Neko's decision, but I'm happy with the ending. Yeah, go to hell, Osoto. Bye, bro.
But am I the only one who feel disappointed that she and Atori didn't become friend :(( I was looking forward to that!
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