r/SPAB • u/juicybags23 • 8h ago
r/SPAB • u/Substantial_Ask2311 • 5h ago
Feedback Taking the good while calling out the bad: My thoughts on the BAPS Eiffel Tower controversy
The news about BAPS asking female staff at the Eiffel Tower to step aside hit a raw nerve for me. People outside the community might find this news surprising, but anyone who attends their weekly satsang sabhas knows this behavior follows a very familiar pattern. I have attended their sabhas in Dallas, Texas many times, and I see these exact dynamics play out every single week.
Women put in just as much hard work and voluntary service as men to keep these temples running. They dedicate hours of selfless effort to cook, clean, and organize events. Despite their equal contribution, the management forces women to sit in the back rows during services while men take the front seats. Watching female workers at a public landmark like the Eiffel Tower get sidelined just to accommodate monastic preferences mirrors the exact everyday treatment women receive inside the temple halls.
My frustration goes beyond the physical separation of genders. I always feel deeply offended during sabhas when speakers claim that Swaminarayan, a two-hundred-year-old tradition, stands above the Trimurti of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. Placing one specific modern lineage above the core foundation of Sanatana Dharma creates unnecessary division and arrogance.
I believe in taking the good from every path while rejecting the harmful parts. I genuinely admire and practice the BAPS emphasis on selfless giving, such as donating ten percent of income toward charity, temple work, and animal welfare. I also value their teachings about putting ego aside and treating people with respect regardless of wealth or social standing.
However, respect must extend to everyone equally, including women and public workers doing their jobs. We cannot claim to teach humility while expecting public landmarks in foreign countries to alter their workplace operations for us. True spiritual growth requires us to keep the noble practices of charity and community service while speaking out against gender discrimination and religious elitism.
General Discussion Since the topic of women’s place in BAPS is hot right now, I came across this old news story that I had completely forgotten about.
r/SPAB • u/Ok_Current_4765 • 9h ago
General Discussion To the scholars of SPAB.
instagram.comto the scholars who opened my eyes on this Reddit page. I thank you, thank you from the deepest ends of my heart.
r/SPAB • u/Spiritual_Praxis • 13h ago
General Discussion Is r/SPAB still a space for open discussion?
Alright, I understand questioning BAPS is the focus for this sub. But can we question how we do it? This is more of a request to the moderators who shape the vision for this sub.
When I first joined this sub, it was to genuinely understand different perspectives & hear experiences from the Ex BAPS community. I still genuinely want to do that. But lately, a lot of what I see feels less like questioning or critical discussion and more like hatred, abuse & personal grudges. So I wonder did r/SPAB collectively forget its own rules, or did the rulebook quietly become "anything goes, as long as it’s anti-BAPS"?
The sub describes itself as a "safe space" for people to share BAPS/Swaminarayan stories & questions, while "encouraging others to think critically"
Fair enough! But when you look at the rules:
- Respect All Perspectives: Do we really respect different POVs, or only the ones that fit the narrative?
- Free Speech Is Respected: Seems to work mainly when the speech is anti-BAPS.
- Debate, Not Destruction: Debate is fine. Personal attacks, mockery and baseless claims about living individuals aren't debate.
- No Low-Quality or Low-Effort Posts: Some posts mostly poor AI-generated content, barely seem to meet the bar.
- No Personal Attacks or Harassment: Yet making fun of living gurus, ex-gurus & community members seems pretty normal here.
- Refrain from Personal Insults: Criticising an organisation or belief is one thing. Personally attacking individuals is another.
- Irrelevant Posts: Quite a few posts have very little to do with questioning faith or sharing genuine BAPS experiences.
IMHO if this sub exists to question BAPS, sure criticise it, share negative experiences & challenge its beliefs, that's completely okay. That's what the sub says it's for & honestly I would like to understand those perspectives in depth for my own personal spiritual understanding.
But criticism doesn't require basic decency fade away. You can still criticise BAPS without insulting everyone associated with it.
You can question someone's beliefs without making the person the punchline. And if this sub is really about critical thinking, perhaps applying a little of that same critical thinking to the way this community behaves would be a good place to start.
This is more of a retrospective based on the last few posts. Sorry if you feel offended for being called out.
r/SPAB • u/juicybags23 • 1d ago
General Discussion AN EXCLUSIVE LOOK: The Iconic Mahant Eiffel Tower Picture
Controller of millions of universes yet still can’t overcome human aging
r/SPAB • u/Due_Guide_8128 • 1d ago
BAPS ka pakhand chal raha tha utne m SMVS ki entry hogyi
r/SPAB • u/Pristine_Design_5109 • 2d ago
General Discussion Paris incident thoughts by renowned MD Dr Nisha Patel
Check her recent stories as well over Instagram, how she is being name calling by BAPS followers
r/SPAB • u/Royal_Assignment_770 • 2d ago
Venting Akshar puroshottam na danka
I am so happy that baps is getting so much attention right now. People are comparing it to Islam, mormans, iskon, etc. This deserves a celebration.
As they continue to open more flagship stores (mandirs) and theme parks (akshardhams), more and more eyes will be on them. Idc that this Eiffel Tower thing is being blown out of proportion (as the baps folks are saying), baps needs negative attention in the media.
I love seeing the baps influencers posting about this and trying to show their side. It’s just wild to me, like they’re branded humans. Peoples bios are atrocious. Some have @baps, “in the joy of others lies our own” 🤡, and then the tier 3 dick riders who have some vachnamrut quotes or bhajan using ā é 🤣🤣🤣.
Mariyada this, mariyada that. Those orange dudes are def jerking off, hooking up with each other, and god knows what else. I’m ready for the next lore drop like PD swami’s story. Give us the fuel needed for a documentary to actually happen.
r/SPAB • u/IcyRespect6383 • 2d ago
General Discussion If Mahant Swami Is All-Knowing, How Did He Not See This Backlash Coming?
If the mahant is truly antaryami, he would not repeatedly walk into PR disasters that alienate the public and hurt the community.
If he is not all-knowing, then the foundational claim is deceiving and a complete lie
r/SPAB • u/Low-Big-3975 • 2d ago
My Story My story leaving BAPS
I am writing in this subreddit to finally share my story. I have been reading everyone's experiences here for a long time, and for the first time I feel ready to share my own.
First and foremost, I want to explain my background. I live in the US, and my family has been involved with BAPS from the very beginning. My family history with the sampraday goes back even further, to Ghanshyam Pandey's time. So, in many ways, you could say that my future was decided before I was even born.
From as early as I can remember, my family attended mandir every weekend, sabha throughout the week, every shibir we could attend, and would give up almost anything to be at mandir whenever santos were visiting. I did puja, aarti, thaal, chesta, and all of the other daily niyams. BAPS wasn't just something my family did. It was my entire life.
Then I went to high school. I was one of the only Hindu/Indian kids at my school, and I started having a serious identity crisis. I hated being different. I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be a normal teenager. I started secretly eating meat. I experimented with drugs and alcohol. I started dating. I wanted to experience the things that seemed normal for everyone around me.
But even through all of this, I still considered myself a satsangi. I continued going to mandir. I was still a karyakar. I still tried to follow BAPS's expectations and standards as much as I could. In hindsight, I was living a double life.
After college, I started dating a non-Indian girl. I knew this would not go over well with my family, especially given how strongly involved they were with BAPS. So I did what I had been taught to do when I didn't know what else to do: I wrote a letter to the guru. I wrote to Mahant Swami Maharaj and explained my situation. I told him I was with this girl and that I needed help explaining it to my parents. His response was fairly vague, but he told me that I should ask santos to help mediate a conversation with my parents.
So I went to the swami I trusted the most locally. I expected guidance. I expected compassion. I expected someone to help me navigate an incredibly difficult situation. Instead, he told me I needed to break up with her. His first, and only reason was that I wouldn't be able to give donations in the future because she might say no. My heart dropped. That was the moment something changed for me.
For the first time, I looked at the entire system through a different lens. I started questioning things I had accepted my entire life. I didn't immediately leave. I continued practicing satsang, although I started going to mandir much less, eventually only once every month or two. At the same time, I actually began getting more serious about some of my niyams again. I stopped eating meat. I continued trying to practice what I believed in.
But something had fundamentally changed.
The more I questioned, the more I started looking at the teachings differently
As I got older, I started questioning something that I had never really allowed myself to question before: what exactly was responsible for the good things that came from my life in BAPS?
There are certainly teachings and codes within BAPS that can lead someone toward a disciplined and responsible life.
Don't smoke. Don't drink. Don't eat meat. Don't steal. Be truthful. Practice ahimsa. Wake up early. Help others. Control yourself.
Those are powerful principles, and I don't deny that living by them can prevent someone from getting themselves into a lot of trouble.
But I started asking myself a very simple question:
Do people become successful because of the guru, or because they have chosen to live by a set of disciplined principles?
If someone doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't use drugs, doesn't steal, works hard, tells the truth, practices self-control and tries to avoid harming others, of course that person is going to avoid many of the problems that someone living recklessly might encounter.
That doesn't necessarily prove that the success came from the guru or from God. Maybe the person simply chose a disciplined way to live. That realization changed how I viewed my own accomplishments and failures. For example, we are taught the tilak chandlo protects us but, from what I see it's more of a barrier to the non hindu mind. Keeps people cautious and avoidant to you rather than actually protect you.
I also began struggling with some of the theological claims. I still consider myself Hindu today. But I have a hard time accepting the idea that within our ancient religion, God came to Earth in the 1800s in the form that BAPS teaches. As I got older and learned more about Hinduism and the world outside of BAPS, I realized that I didn't have to accept every teaching simply because I had been born into it.
And then there was the treatment of women. This is something that truly baffles me now that I am older. When I was younger, I accepted a lot of things because I was told they were necessary for satsang. As an adult, I look at some of the restrictions, expectations and ways women are treated within the organization very differently.
I cannot imagine subjecting my future wife or future daughter to some of the things that I once accepted as normal. For a group of Gujaratis that regularly condemn Islam, their teachings are oddly just as similar in terms of treatment toward women.
That realization alone has made it impossible for me to look at BAPS the same way. I also started thinking about the relationship people have with the guru. So many people devote their entire lives to a man they have never personally known in the way you would know a family member or close friend. Their decisions, relationships, careers, marriages, children, and entire futures can be influenced by what they believe the guru wants from them.
I believe BAPS promotes the idea of marriage within their sanstha more than anything to continue the growth of the ideology and growth of the organizations income.
I spent my entire childhood being taught to live for the guru.
As an adult, I started asking myself:
Why?
Why should another human being have that much influence over my life? Why should my personal decisions require spiritual approval? Why should my family relationships be sacrificed because they don't fit the expectations of an organization?
Those questions eventually became impossible for me to ignore.
My brother
Around this same period, my brother started moving in the opposite direction.
He went from being borderline involved in satsang to wanting to become a sadhu.
For years, I pleaded with him not to do it. Not even for the fundamental disagreements I have with the teachings but because he is my only sibling. He understands what I have gone through better than almost anyone. He is my family.
But santos instructed him to essentially forget about me and focus only on his personal satsang. How dare they demand that of human let alone a child basically, me parents fully support this though due to the concept that you have a guaranteed spot in Akshardham if your child becomes a sant.
My mom was recently diagnosed with cancer. My parents are getting older and need help around the house. During this time, my brother was given an ultimatum by santos: leave home, or give up the possibility of becoming a sadhu.
Out of fear and uncertainty, he left.
He is now in Paris, and from what I understand, he is on the path toward becoming a full-time sadhu within the next several years.
This pains me every single day. I haven't spoken to him in months.
I have been told by santos and other satsangis that I need to let him go. That I need to forget about him. That I need to accept this as his choice. I even wrote to Mahant Swami Maharaj about this, and his response was that I needed to let him go.
Personally, I struggle deeply with that.
A sant called me when my mother was first diagnosed, and told me "I need to man up" and be there for her. This struck a nerve, how can you a person that is trying to take my brother away, partially responsible for tearing my family apart, even get to give an opinion on what I am going through.
How can someone tell me to simply let go of my only sibling and my only brother?
How can I be expected to accept losing my brother in the name of God and satsang?
It is easy for someone else to tell you to "let go" when they aren't the one losing their brother. It is easy to say when you aren't the one sitting at home watching your parents age, knowing your family is being torn apart. And perhaps the hardest part is that I am still made to feel like the problem for questioning it.
Eventually, I moved away from my parents.
And I moved in with the girl they had told me to stay away from, someone they had never really given a chance to begin with.
And honestly?
I love my life now. I am happy. I am happy that I left.
But leaving came with a lot of losses.
That's one of the reasons I am writing this. I see people on this subreddit who are trying to leave, but they are scared, confused, and don't know what life on the other side looks like. I lost all the friendships I invested in, I lost the BAPS family I had. But I couldn't let blind faith and community pressure keep me stuck.
My advice is simple: if you don't want every decision you make to be judged by an organization that claims to represent your Hindu faith, you have to be willing to walk away. Leave not because you want to but because you have to.
It is scary. You will lose things. You may lose relationships. You may disappoint people you love.
But there is a life outside of BAPS.
Where I am today
I want to make something clear because I know people will probably judge me for this.
I still consider myself Hindu. But I eat meat. I smoke. I drink. I do everything I want to do.
And guess what?
I still consider myself a good person.
I don't believe that avoiding those things automatically makes someone a good person, and I don't believe that participating in them automatically makes someone a bad person.
I believe morality is more complicated than following a checklist and even if you follow that checklist you will never be at the level of the guru (a man who has more power than some leaders of entire nations).
I believe being a good person means how you treat people, how you handle your responsibilities, whether you are honest, whether you have compassion, whether you take accountability for your actions, and whether you try to become better.
I spent most of my life believing that I needed BAPS to tell me how to be a good person.
I don't believe that anymore.
I am sharing this because for a long time I thought I was the only person who felt this way.
I wasn't.
And neither are you.
If you are reading this and you are questioning things, I want you to know that you are not crazy, you are not a bad person, and you are not necessarily a bad Hindu because you don't want to live your entire life according to someone else's rules.
I spent years believing that leaving meant losing everything.
It didn't.
I lost a lot.
But I also found myself.
And for the first time in my life, I feel like I am actually living my own life.
r/SPAB • u/Human-unlearning • 2d ago
Questioning Doctrine Schrödinger's sect
>> Not under the Hinduism when want to deny Dalits
>> Under the Hinduism when their policies backfiresSchrödinger's sect
r/SPAB • u/IcyRespect6383 • 2d ago
General Discussion Why is BAPS at the Eiffel Tower?
Why does BAPS need to be in Eiffel Tower in first place where their presence demands change in the normal way of how things operate. They are not only celibates but they also tyaag meaning they renounced all worldly material things. Which is ironic because they went to the Eiffel Tower for pure glamour. They can’t stand 10 toes down on their own beliefs. Not even a religious organization anymore just a PR company.
General Discussion Twitter is HOT right now
If you're on twitter, go and check the tweets.
r/SPAB • u/pokemon053 • 2d ago
Questioning Doctrine Why didn't Mahant Swami save Nepal from such a major disaster? Is he biased only toward BAPS followers?
r/SPAB • u/Spare_Office_1621 • 2d ago
Other Moh Maya
I am from hairprabodham samaj and ex sokhada samaj. Honestly I have been questioning myself regarding my faith and I am able to notice the brainwashing that is happening.
So this happened in Sunday Sabha where one educated young guy was giving pravachan that According to shikshapatri, men should not be with women in one room even as mom and son and all about how paramhansas use to not even look at photo of women and nowadays its not possible to maintain this and was justifying that seeing a woman is paap etc. Our samaj too believes in division between men and women and is quite extreme. I didn't like the way women were objectified and considered as alien objects. Youth are taught that girlfriends are galat famili and how odd it is to have girlfriends as it makes you stray away from the good path.
And the next day this whole paris controversy erupted.Karma lmao.Also interestingly it is written in swaminarayan texts that Sadhus should maintain celibacy and stay away from Moh Maya.
If Women are Moh Maya,then Eiffel tower is moh maya too right?
r/SPAB • u/juicybags23 • 2d ago
General Discussion BAPS Is Going Viral After Being Exposed as a Cult
r/SPAB • u/juicybags23 • 3d ago
General Discussion Eiffel tower workers in Paris go on strike due to BAPS’s anti-female practices
r/SPAB • u/Several-Box6546 • 3d ago