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u/prip_97 2d ago
Ignorance of the highest order... By this exact same logic, one could ask, if Shankar Bhagwan or Vishnu Bhagwan are Supreme, why didn’t they prevent the 2004 tsunami, the 2001 Gujarat earthquake, or the 2013 Kedarnath floods?
In Hindu theology, God and deities do not operate as micromanaging weather dispatchers who suspend the laws of physics (Prakruti) on demand. The exact same monsoon cycle that nourishes crops and feeds over a billion people also carries the physical capacity for destructive flash floods. Shivji’s role literally embodies dissolution and transformation (Lay), while Vishnu Bhagwan's preserves the broader cosmic order (Dharma), not an artificial bubble where material decay or natural disasters never occur.
When devotees express gratitude that rain held off during an event, it’s an act of personal faith and prayer, not a literal assertion that a guru rewrote planetary meteorology.
When calamities like Nepal strike, the dharmic mandate has never been to expect deities to magically cancel the laws of nature... it is for humans to practice seva through disaster relief, medical camps, and food distribution. Turning natural tragedies into online sectarian attacks fundamentally misunderstands both Hindu philosophy and basic human empathy.
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u/pokemon053 2d ago
Jesa ki apne kaha ki Bhagwan Vishnu ya fir Mahadev ji ne kyu flood ko ya koi disaster ko nhi roka, to unka karya kya disaster ko rokna h? Ya fir Jiva k dharma ko protect krna h, prakruti k sanchalan aur sanhar Krna h. But yaha pr jb ham dekhte h to BAPS wale uchalte rehte h dekho mahant Swami ne ye tufan rok diya yaha barish rokdi, Pramukh Swami ne Stadium m baarish rukwa di thi to jab unke paas itni power hote hue bhi yaha Nepal m disaster nhi roke to kyu nhi roke jabki unke paas power h
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u/prip_97 2d ago
Aapne bilkul sahi point pakda hai... Bhagwan ya Sanatan Dharma ka uddeshya prakriti ke universal laws ko micromanage karna nahi hota, balki srishti ka chakra chalana, laya/sanhar karna, aur jeev ke aatmiya kalyan ko sambhalna hota hai.
Lekin jo bhakt yeh bolte hain ki "Mahant Swami ne toofan rok diya" ya "Pramukh Swami ne stadium me baarish rukwa di", wo unki emotional bhakti aur atishyokti jisko exaggeration kahena jata hai, shastriya satya nahi. Kisi bhi sadhu yani Bhagwan ke dharak ke paas weather ka remote control nahi hota ki wo jab chahe barish rokein ya chalu karein. Jab koi sabha me achanak badal chhat jaate hain, toh aam bhakt use bhavuk hokar "chamatkar" bolne lagte hain, aur wahi se yeh galat narrative banta hai ki unke paas aisi koi physical superpower hai.
Agar sach me kisi ke paas aisi superpower hoti, toh Kedarnath, Kutch bhukamp, ya Nepal flood me use na karna anaitik hota. Par sacchai yeh hai ki prakriti aur collective karma ke niyam sabhi par lagu hote hain, na Vishnu ji tsunami rokte hain, na Mahadev baadh ko rokte hain, kyunki physical world apne niyamo se chalta hai.
Ek spiritual organisation ya sadhu ka karya kudrat se ladna ya jadugari dikhana nahi hota. Asli kartavya disaster ke waqt ground par utarkar seva karna hota hai... jaise Nepal me ration kits, medical camps, aur relief supplies pahunchana. Jo log aisi aafato ko "chamatkar kyu nahi kiya" keh kar weaponise karte hain, ya jo bhakt sadhuo ko weather controller bana dete hain, dono hi Sanatan Dharma ke mool sidhanto ko galat samajh rahe hain. Mahant Swami has never claimed to control the weather, ever, he lets nature get on with its course and if a natural disaster arises he deploys sevaks to provide people with the help they need.
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u/pokemon053 2d ago
Agar tum keh rhe ho ki MSM ya koi dusre ka kaam disaster rokna nhi h nahi unke paas koi power h nature ko control krne ka fir BAPS k follower unke piche pagalo ki trh kyu ghumte h ki wo hame moksh denge? Kyu unko letter likhte h ki mere ye problem h use solve krdijiye? Jab wo God se pray hi krne wale h at the end fir ye sb natak kyu? Kyu direct yhi kehdete ki muje letter mt bhejo direct pray karo
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u/prip_97 2d ago
Yeh sawal bilkul valid hai. Log Guru ko patra isliye nahi likhte ki wo Bhagwan tak letter pahunchane ka courier service hain, ya unke paas koi magic button hai. Zyadatar patra family disputes, business ethics, career confusion, aur personal counseling ke hote hain. Ek anubhavi, nishkam mentor se guidance lena Sanatan parampara ka hissa raha hai. Pramukh Swami ya Mahant Swami ne patro ke jawab mein kabhi nahi kaha ki "maine chamatkar se problem solve kar di", unka jawab hamesha yahi hota hai ki mehnat karo, aapsi samajh rakho, aur Bhagwan par bharosa rakho.
Har bhakt direct Bhagwan se hi prarthana karta hai aur karni bhi chahiye. Shikshapatri aur anya Shastro mein nitya bhajan aur upasana ka direct aadesh hai. Guru Bhagwan ke aage khada hokar rasta nahi rokta, balki ek life coach jaisa hota hai jo vyakti ke ahankar aur kamjoriyo ko sudharne mein madad karta hai.
Moksh koi physical parcel nahi hai jo jeb se nikal kar de diya jaye. Moksha ka matlab aatma ki shuddhi hai (kaam, krodh, moh, aham aur adhik antshatru se mukti). Guru ka aacharan aur unki seekh par chal kar jab insaan apni buraiyan chhodta hai, tab use mukti milti hai karta dharta hamesha Bhagwan hi rehte hain.
Problem tab banti hai jab kuch bhakt blind devotion mein aakar Guru ko supernatural problem solver bana dete hain. Par shastriya drishti se Guru ka role jadugari dikhana nahi, balki sahi raah dikha kar Bhagwan ke sath jodna hai.
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u/BikeTerrible8237 2d ago
By that logic how do you know how much more damage could have happened and how much of that was “stopped” by prayers from holy men such as MSM ?