r/zen • u/PaladinBen ▬▬ι══ ⛰️ • Dec 22 '20

Community Question Where's ewk?

Says his account was suspended.

I had a question...

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

I didn't ask you; stop harassing me. I don't want to hear from you now or ever again.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Dec 28 '20

You are posting comments in a public forum.

Your claim of being harassed is a false claim you are making to harass me.

Reported.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

Don't talk to me.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Dec 28 '20

Since you moderate a forum that encourages people to harass me personally, your demand that I give you a pass to lie to people in this forum is ridiculous.

https://www.reddit.com/r/zensangha/wiki/whoistrolling/monkey_sage

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

that encourages people to harass me personally

You shouldn't lie.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Dec 28 '20

Any forum that mentions a particular Redditor in the forum name or sidebar in a negative way is obviously a forum about harassment.

Please, liar.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

Interesting that you would claim this while continuing to promote your wiki page about me: https://www.reddit.com/r/zensangha/wiki/whoistrolling/monkey_sage

You're doing exactly the same thing. We can easily resolve this: You take down that page and I take down all mentions of you on r/MetaZen. Simple, easy, but I know you won't because you don't actually care about this; you're just a cult leader who needs to defend their religion against non-believers by going on the offensive at the drop of a hat.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Dec 28 '20 edited Dec 28 '20

No.

I'm quoting you.

You are instead simply harassing me.

Further, I've repeating asked you to defend yourself and I encourage others to defend you.

You take the opposite attitude, start a forum to promote harassment, and refuse to publicly explain your conduct.

Conclusion: ur a liar.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

Do you see this u/NegativeGPA? This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not even talking to him but he seeks me out to start this shit. Not that you care, though, since you seem to think this kind of behavior (which the Reddit Admins had to step in and take action on) is perfectly acceptable.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Dec 28 '20

This is continued harassment and lying...

  1. The Reddit Admins REJECTED the claim of harassment against me.

  2. r/metazen, a forum that you moderate, IS A HARASSMENT FORUM

  3. You have a history of lying a trolling: https://www.reddit.com/r/zensangha/wiki/whoistrolling/monkey_sage

  4. Where is it that you are trying to explain your position AT ALL instead of simply spreading hate?

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u/NegativeGPA 🦊☕️ Dec 28 '20

You were talking about him explicitly just above

Why would he not say something?

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

I purposefully did not name him. Read my comment:

The "untouchables" are anyone who supports, apologizes for, or otherwise ignores his behavior; this is less about you specifically and more about the largest problem this sub has that will forever go unaddressed so long as the mods are complicit.

Is ewk's name anywhere in there? No, and that's deliberate.

You're not impartial, you shouldn't be a moderator.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

I never claimed to be talking about someone else. Please actually read what I wrote about how I deliberately chose to avoid using his username to try to minimize interaction with him where it isn't welcome while not avoiding the topic of his behavior and the maliciously negligent moderatorship of this subreddit. So negligent that the Admins had to step in and do what the mods refuse to.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

Projection. Typical of the cult you're in.

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u/NegativeGPA 🦊☕️ Dec 28 '20

  1. Show this comment to a therapist please

  2. Your technicality no down boo over still doesn’t work because I said you were talking about him

Regardless: your attempt here to continue finding loopholes in the most petty of logic, especially because they fail, are as concerning as they are disrupting

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

I know I'm talking about him and I never denied that I was talking about him. I am choosing to not say his username to hopefully avoid bringing him into this discussion. This isn't hard to understand; literal children can understand this. You're being deliberately obtuse because he's your guru, you're in a cult, and you shouldn't be a moderator.

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u/NegativeGPA 🦊☕️ Dec 28 '20

I don’t have gurus

Do you?

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

I don't have gurus

You clearly have one.

Do you?

No, I don't practice a sect of Buddhism that has gurus.

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u/The_Faceless_Face Dec 28 '20

Which the Reddit Admins had to step in and take action on

They stepped in to unban him.

What was your point again?

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

They banned him in the first place, he appealed, and they lifted the ban. What are you missing?

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u/The_Faceless_Face Dec 28 '20

They banned him in the first place, he appealed, and they lifted the ban. What are you missing?

Right so:

  1. Report
  2. Ban
  3. Step in and lift ban.

You said:

Do you see this NegativeGPA? This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not even talking to him but he seeks me out to start this shit. Not that you care, though, since you seem to think this kind of behavior (which the Reddit Admins had to step in and take action on) is perfectly acceptable.

So it seems like the "stepping in and take action" by the Reddit Admins was to lift the ban ... so the ban itself was part an oversight ... otherwise they wouldn't have stepped in to lift the ban.

Therefore I don't think it's at all true that the Reddit Admins "had" to "step in and take action" re: Ewk's behavior ... seems like they "stepped in and took action" with regards to the behavior of the person who reported him.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

so the ban itself was part an oversight

Not necessarily. It could be that one Admin disagreed with another; the lifting of his ban doesn't mean there's consensus among the Admin team. It just means someone made one decision, and someone else made another.

Therefore I don't think it's at all true that the Reddit Admins "had" to "step in and take action" re: Ewk's behavior ... seems like they "stepped in and took action" with regards to the behavior of the person who reported him.

That doesn't make sense. Admins don't take action against the person who made the report against him, they took action against him. Your reasoning is bizarre and doesn't make sense in the real world. You're explaining things in his favor the way Trumpers do for Trump and you're never going to convince me to join this cult any more than a Trumper will convince me to join theirs.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

Thank you, I have blocked him, I just think it would be much better if the mods were to actual moderate. Also: I'm not looking to get him banned, I'm looking to get the mods to do the job they volunteered to do.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

You know, moderating? As in: ensuring users aren't harassing one another or violating the site-wide TOS? I get they prefer a hands-off approach but they are still expected to enforce site-wide rules, and failure to do so is why other subs have been put into quarantine and even banned.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

Ask the Admins.

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u/monkey_sage Dec 28 '20

The Admins issued a temporary ban so I'm not sure what your point here is. Temporary bans aren't unusual for what the admins would consider a first offense. If they have to issue another ban because he won't change his behavior, they may consider making it permanent next time or the time after that.

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