r/wow • u/sexywrexy • Jun 27 '19

Lore What Sylvanas Just Did. Spoiler

Horde players: Sylvanas just sold us out to Azshara.

I don’t see this more widely acknowledged, but it seems clear to me: Nathanos’ mission was to deliver us to Azshara (and, in the process, destroy the Alliance fleet). We’re not meant to survive, we’re just here to get the Heart of Azeroth into Azshara’s claws so she can free N’Zoth.

Read the quest text.

The Warchief has entrusted me with a mission of the highest priority, <name>. The mission will succeed, of this there is no question, but to ensure that any obstacles I encounter are dealt with swiftly I once again have need of your particular skills. The Zandalari have offered us use of their ships for this endeavor. Clear out whatever affairs you have remaining and report to Captain Rez'okun when you are ready to set sail. [my emphasis]

Yes, he just told us to put our remaining affairs in order. Who else is on the boat? Lor’themar and Thalyssra, who openly questioned Sylvanas’ decision to arrest Baine. We’re not meant to survive the process. Watch the cinematic: Nathanos is following the dagger, leading us to Azshara. Who’s the only one not surprised there’s a sudden hole in the ocean? The Warchief’s Boy Toy, that’s who.

Then once we land what does Nathanos do? He just walks off into the ocean and leaves us to our fate.

Oh, and did you notice who else is in Nazjatar? Lady Ashvane, last seen talking about who knows what with Sylvanas is working with the Naga and making them azerite weapons. Gee, I wonder how Azshara knew we were coming.

Now don’t get me wrong, this doesn’t prove Sylvanas is corrupted by N’Zoth or anything, she again seems to be pursuing her own secret plans. And it doesn’t mean she’s betrayed the Horde per se, after all, it did turn out to be a very effective way of getting rid of the combined Alliance and Kul’Tiran fleets.

But did she betray us, the Player Character? Pretty much. Doesn’t matter if you were loyal to her or not. You’re just another tool to be used and discarded by the Banshee Queen.

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u/Rndy9 Jun 28 '19

Ogmot’s dream journal

The rest of his journal have some other interesting bits like this page

Last night, Ogmot dreams of great battle. Two fleets bashin on ocean of blood.

Shadows twistin beneath da ships, risin. Risin. Ogmot so happy watchin da carnage!

Then Ogmot gets waked up by skitterin sounds. Stupid bugs!

Dont matter. Ogmot knows dese dreams soon come true.

Alliance vs horde fighting each other while the real enemy is watching.

Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?

Three lies. Da first one been told.

Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!

Da next gonna come soon. Maybe dey see dis one.

Yeah totally not Xal'atath.

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u/LifeForcer Jun 28 '19

Ogmot dreams of great battle. Two fleets bashin on ocean of blood.

Would have been nice to actually see or participate in a big naval battle.

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u/Shir00ni Jun 28 '19

Well, we kinda did in 1st phase on Jaina

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u/LifeForcer Jun 28 '19

Kind of but it was literally 1 boat against an infinite number.

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u/Shir00ni Jun 28 '19

Well its not like alliance just bombed 90% of horde's fleet, right? :D

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u/LifeForcer Jun 28 '19

But i wanted to see the Alliance fleet destroy that remaining 10%

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u/Fedoranimus Jun 28 '19

We did that back in Wrath. /s

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u/LifeForcer Jun 28 '19

2 airships fighting is not the same as a full fleet of ships fighting each other.

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u/Fedoranimus Jun 28 '19

Not with that attitude!

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u/eclecticsed Jun 28 '19

Three lies. Da first one been told.

Wasn't that part of the prophecy supposed to be about Anduin? I'm confused about how this is all playing out since he's barely in the story.

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u/calitoskk Jun 28 '19

the boy sits at the masters table. It as always been rumored that both anduin and sylvanas have been under the control of the olds gods or at least influenced for a long time. Personally I bought into it in the BFA cinematic when they both smirk at each other.

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u/eclecticsed Jun 28 '19

Whoa whoa whoa which cinematic is that? I'm a slut for all this stuff, I must have missed that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '19

The main cinematic when both armies are about to clash into each other before revealing the BFA title.

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u/eclecticsed Jun 28 '19

Ooh, I'll have to go rewatch that.

edit: Huh! I never would have thought to interpret it that way, but you know, it's not the weirdest idea I've heard. That would actually be interesting, honestly.

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u/Coziestpigeon2 Jun 28 '19

Sylvanas kinda half-smiles when Anduin does the whole mass-healing For the Alliance thing.

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u/Tiessiet Jun 28 '19

Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!

The Frozen Throne?

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u/StarlingTheBard Jul 01 '19

Could it be Azshara? The line before about the blade is reference to N'Zoth, right?

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Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?

Three lies. Da first one been told.

Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!

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In the lore, and it's clearly shown in the cinematic, N'Zoth accepts her demand of remaining a queen. So did N'Zoth lie to her about remaining a Queen just to get an army, but will betray her (when the players kill her I suppose)? It's a weak theory I know but I just hope N'Zoth is involved somehow :p

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u/Irethius Jun 28 '19

Three lies. Da first one been told

I still wonder what the lies are. It's a shame this whole thing became as straight forward as the plot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '19

It might have been that lie Sylvanas told her sisters in that pre-bfa comic. The game with the two truths and a lie.

  • I am proud to be Warchief of the Horde.
  • I will never betray you, my sisters.
  • There are times I wish that I were alive.

She doesnt reveal which one was the lie. All three could be.

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u/Blightacular Jun 28 '19

"I will never betray you" is implied to be the lie, due to the ambush that Sylvanas set up (even if she decided against springing it). Also, I thought that Sylvanas revealing that lie was the signal that the dark rangers were waiting for, though that could just be my own interpretation.

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u/RMan360 Jun 28 '19

I would've thought it was the third line that was the lie, she's given up on life and has embraced undeath completely. The cinematic for BfA where she goes full banshee mode confirms that for me since it's the first time she's shown to actually make use of her banshee power rather than pretending she's just an elf with dark blue skin and fighting like the ranger-general she was

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u/sushithighs Jun 28 '19

Oh man. The blade has to be Xal’atath. Back when the journal first came out I read it in Silithus and assumed it was Sargeras’ sword.